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  2. If Bibler is completely sincere to win some of us back to the lord, he will answer every. single. one. of these posts. Time will tell. You see, when I rephrased his opening post, I would have thought that he would have said to me, ''I'm so sorry Margee that you have been so hurt by religion'' cause that's what I would have said to someone who fell away from the faith. But I didn't receive acknowledgement at all and really didn't expect it. But I would like his answer to why he thinks (when there are thousands of gods out there) that his god is the right one. You see @Bibler, I still wait on this site for that one christian that might convince me that christianity is true. You wanted to 'win' some of us back? We are waiting.
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  4. Yes, I'll be visiting that link soon.
  5. No knowing something is not the same thing as being dumb. As Citsonga said, the talk origins website is a great place to start.
  6. That's petty as hell. I would do that for someone that I actively disliked. It literally required no effort on his part. You're not being unreasonable at all.
  7. What's interesting is that there is an earlier ascension of Jesus described at the end of Luke, in Luke 24:50-53. This ascension in Luke took place the same day the resurrected Jesus first appears to the disciples in Jerusalem, and the ascension took place in Bethany after Jesus led them there. But the ascension in Acts 1:9-11 took place forty days after Jesus was resurrected and in Jerusalem, after he appeared on earth to the disciples during those forty days (Acts 1:3). It appears that Jesus had two different ascensions to heaven. But there may be ways in which to harmonize the two accounts, or interpretations that these accounts both describe the same ascension. Luke and Acts were supposedly written by the same person. 50 Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and, lifting up his hands, he blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he withdrew from them and was carried up into heaven.[p] 52 And they worshiped him, and[q] returned to Jerusalem with great joy; 53 and they were continually in the temple blessing God. (NRSV)
  8. Should have read it. The source is clearly identified: The complaints are largely about bat-shit crazy fundigelical Protestants taking over and ramming their shit down the throats of everyone in the military including other xians. But they have warrior jesus on their side so everyone else can suck it. It's worth a quick once over. mwc
  9. So let me guess. Goebbels TV is not nearly making as much brouhaha about it as it would have made for a (suspected) muslim culprit right?
  10. Yep. I would like your comment but I have met my like quota for today lol.
  11. This one is full of shit.
  12. I think my post about the US killing civilians went right over your head. The Christians you must associate with must not read the bible. There is a reference in Revelations to the "City that sits on seven hills". This is a very clear reference to ancient Rome which had seven hills nearby (In fact the hills and Rome are still there) That's one verse - most of revelations is talking about Rome. Nit pick please. Should have read "for over 1,000 years" In reference to your convoluted theory of prophesy about Islam it doesn't matter. Islamic terrorist target woman and children. The Quran says to kill infidels, not woman and children. I agree with the Quran as much as any other Ex-C here, but don't make it say something it doesn't to fit your pet theory. I know people convinced of flat earth too - your conviction means nothing. If you can't show it to be true, then its not evidently true. ... and then shoehorn in whatever events are currently happening. 2,000 years ago you would have been pointing at Rome, if you were born 300 years in the future it would be whatever situation is happening then. I'm calling horseshit on your bullshit. IF you did say anything I'll bet is was so vague that you could interpret anything to fit it... like most bible prophesy. Like all prophesy you have an event then claim you prophesied it. You do realize this is not prophesy right? I'm not sure who you are trying to impress but anyone in today's current world events can predict terrorist events. The chances are you are right. Why don't you use your bible prophesy to tell us the next major terroist event with DETAILS. If you had posted several weeks ago that A man named Salman Abedi would blow up the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester and 22 people would die THEN I would believe some amazing future telling abilities. Meanwhile I'm predicting a large earthquake to strike this year... probably in June or July. This is the earthquake from revelations "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake" We'll tally up on August 1 and see who is the most prophetic shall we?
  13. Your the one that is to delusional to realise that the Hebrew word for mingle is Arab, and that the Hebrews had a similar word that they would have used for Arabians themselves. But the specific meaning of the word you ran with is in fact mingle just as it says in the bible. If you asked a jew to write down "mingle" in Hebrew then it would probable be "Arab" every time. You took a word out of context and ran with it to develope a whole line of bullshit. Nothing new. Been done for years. Blah blah blah. If I'm not smart according to your standards then you are completely fucked in the head according to mine.
  14. It's strange, we walked into the faith looking for guidance and a new heart. But we find out we have to leave for that very reason, and if we don't we end up worse.
  15. Like most people, you don't know what a false prophet is!
  16. Here you are telling me my interpretation has been debunked when it's you who believe the word 'ARAB' DOESN'T imply an ARAB, and have no explanation whatsoever for "the inferior kingdom" which the OP says is Nabonidus. It's impossible for him to be 'the inferior kingdom' because IT'S the same kingdom as Nebuchadnezzar's! Nabonidus was a Babylonian king! And you're telling me I've been debunked? You're not as smart as you make you're internet personality to be.
  17. Rev, I am currently debating a youtuber on prophesy - the one about Tyre. He claims that Tyre was destroyed and never rebuilt per Prophesy. I showed him this: Tyre is clearly rebuilt - he claims the prophesy was fulfilled. Why should I waste time with people who make up convoluted rationalizations as to how prophesy was fulfilled when the conditions were that Nebuchadnezzar would completely destroy the city (He didn't, Alexander did) and that the city would never be rebuilt (It's currently the forth largest Lebanon city), and that it would be sought and never found (We know where the ancient ruins are, we know its history very well)
  18. Bibler, as Citsonga said, I also find your statement puzzling. 1 Peter 3:15 states, "but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you" (NRSV) Additionally, why would you be concerned with the potential for being mocked (and how do you know that would happen)? 1 Peter 3:16-17 goes on to state, "yet do it with gentleness and reverence. Keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are maligned, those who abuse you for your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if suffering should be God’s will, than to suffer for doing evil." (NRSV) As a follower of Christ, should not this be a good opportunity to share your personal experience with us, in defense of the hope in you?
  19. Ok let's add a massive amount of self righteousness to that mud hole you call a mind behind the brick wall and I will contend that you are not called by God. but if I was still a believer I would consider you a false prophet destined to burn with the devil and his angels. Just saying...
  20. Whatever I'm done trying to reason with the wall that is your mind. Josh, logical, I, and many others already debunked your personal interpretation and proved how what you are doing is what christians have been doing for centuries to no avail. You are blind to reason and logical. Thoroughly self indoctrinated by your own studies.
  21. How's this for prophecy: I predict you will post on a forum sometime soon, possibly on God's behalf.
  22. Besides that big guy. I don't expect to last here. I don't take a whole lot of shit from shit people and there's already enough shit in the neighborhood.
  23. I was going to post something funny or sarcastic, but I cannot get over how rude this is. You are welcome to debate us, we love to sink our teeth into completely delusional thinking, but that was just a dick move. It's ok though. Our holy logic has moved us to fight your delusions for you. You fight satan on our behalf all you like, I will drink a beer on your behalf, and raise a toast to reason and liberty. With the conviction that you believe we will never change your mind, we have 20/20 hindsight, my friend. Been there, done that.
  24. Show me where I came across like a sarcastic ass? And show me where I've been debunked by people who don't believe in prophecy or even know what a hermeneutic is!
  25. If you want to say God/Jesus is omniscinet and always knows, that's fine. But when you say, "You will be known as...", this is not true in all cases, if you are referring to ex-Christians always being known to other living humans "as a person for whom Christ's sacrifice wasn't enough, who did not accept it when provided with the chance to, who "fell away". An ex-Christian can live his or her public life as a Christian and never disclose to anyone else, including family and friends, that he or she is in fact a non-believer. When those ex-Christians die, all who knew them may think that they lived and died as Christian and have no idea otherwise. A pastor giving the eulogy at the funeral may not even know this.
  26. LoL how ironic. You don't like it when your bullshit is debunked either SMH. This guy.......
  27. @Bibler replied: "Yes." Bibler, since there was no original sin then, per your answer please explain: 1) Why we need saving from the original sin if its allegory? 2) Why does Paul and Jesus, both refer to Adam AND Moses as real if they were allegory, bearing in mind that while Paul was but a fallible man, Jesus was God in flesh. "12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" If Genesis 1 is allegory the rest of the bible falls over.... but fear not, Dr William Lane Craig and cohorts are working around the clock to rationalize science with the bible so that the fact God refers to people as literal we can take it is allegory. It's not real, its not true, its all man made religion and you my friend are showing that up very well thus far. As I would expect. Of course the next step is for our Christian friend to demonstrate how HE has the correct authority and revelation considering that MANY Christians simultaneously claim mutually exclusive revelations. @Bibler my father is the pastor of a small church. He (and the church) believes (without evidence of ANY sort) that the bible is literal (We are talking 6,000 YEC's here) and that he is the messenger of Revelations 10 who receives the final message for a small "chosen few" to go in the Rapture. This rapture is Coming Soon (TM) (And has been my whole life). Please explain to me why I should listen to your revelations/assertions rather than my fathers: 1) Considering that neither of you provide anything other than a claim of personal experience with God backed up by nothing but words, 2) why I should trust you over my father. Thanks LF
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