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I miss the days when liberals weren't crazy and republicans weren't reactionary. We could have intelligent, productive conversations and both were interested in the good of the country.
Now it's just polarization and mud slinging. I'll go back in my cave now.
The thinking that other religions have their own hells doesn't really pacify me. I mean, I understand what people are talking about when they speak of not being worried about the Islamic hell or the Buddhist hell, but it doesn't really give me comfort. Reason being, I was brought up to believe all other religions were false and Christianity was the only true religion. Other religions do say the exact same thing, but the indoctrination that "Christianity is true all others religions are not" - "Christianity is true all others religions are not" - "Christianity is true all others religions are not" has a powerful hold on me.
I do understand the reasoning behind it all though.
Are you having doubts about the Christian faith in general because you read what I have posted on Ex-Christian or did you have doubts before you came here? I mean, did you come here because you already had doubts?
I ask because of
Mark 9:42: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea."
Matthew 18:6: "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."
Luke 17:2: "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin"
I wouldn't want to be responsible for another Christian falling away from the faith.
2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
Concerning 2 Timothy 3:16, for me, the above verses do not say anything about the bible being perfect, only that the work of the bible is inspired by God. I've always considered that even though the author might be inspired to write, he can still make human mistakes. For example, I might be inspired by my friend who is a successful author to write a book about perfection but that book itself would not be perfect. Perhaps what is meant as perfect is the actual message of salvation, and not that every word is perfect. That's what I think anyway.
You're entitled to your own choices,
but I encourage you not to isolate yourself.
When I've felt hopeless, I have felt that permanent solutions were the only way to end the pain.
There's not a lot of places like this website.
I encourage you to take a break from it like I have.
Take some weeks off away from it, months even.
Too much time on here without purpose can be a bad thing.
But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
It is one of my greatest frustrations to watch some of my family stubbornly fundamentalist and intent on making their kids even more so. Having been where they are and now being out, I want to see them all find this freedom. But the bro-in-law comes from generations of very stubborn people and it shows in his belief. He will do it because it is The Way that has been laid out for him. I know that he's seen things that disturb him, but he seals them off. I know he has doubts, all believers do. I honestly don't know what he would be without the faith since it defines his life. But... he deserves freedom like the rest of us. He deserves, and his family deserves to not have a lie pushed on them constantly, telling them that being human is bad, that being normal is evil. So I feel anger towards the faith and towards their unbending fundy mindset that is defining their kid's lives. I think that is a normal emotion.
When believers act condescendingly to me, they get as clear a truth-blow as I can deliver. I want to plant seeds that will find roots in their doubts and spring to life eventually. I don't want to behave angrily toward ANY of them, because that turns them off (as it would anyone). I want to deliver the reality that their imaginary friend is no more real than Thor or Zeus or Spiderman, and that their results back up that reality. I long for them to question honestly and not settle for bullshit excuses. God made promises, but fails to keep them. Why? Why do we say that we have an intimate relationship with someone who never speaks or intervenes? On and on and on...
Hey. I can't say that I am or have been in a similar state. But have you tried to join or participate in any non-Christian organizations or group activities? For example, atheist, agnostic, or freethought Meetup groups. There are also various Recovering from Religion locations/chapters. Or maybe a Unitarian Universalist congregation. Or are there any outside hobbies or activities you enjoy that you've tried to meet like-minded individuals? Or it may help to get out of the house for a while or take a trip somewhere for a few days.
Maybe a compromise would be after each time your husband takes your kids to church, your kids must spend an equal amount of time with you, explaining what they learned in church and then listening to your opinion/perspective on what they were taught. This might help them see things from a different perspective and help their critical thinking development.
2 Tim 3:16 is of course the passage that gets pounded into your brains all your life (well my life anyway) but the passage you started out with about Jesus saying he would return before those listening had died has given me considerable cause for doubt. Also literally everything about Genesis seems so fake and metaphorical or even simply made up to me. I've read a lot of your stuff here and never responded to any of it but I feel like we are so much on the same page on so many questions and fears etc... thank you for being brave and writing it all down...
I've thought about the belly-button thing a lot...sorry no answers here.....hahah...but the nipple question and the needle and thread dilemna have me laughing! Those are some damn good and legit questions!