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		<title>Im A Christian Again</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I decided to leave the church and God when I first joined this site about a year ago or so. I wanted to be free from everything, I wanted to think of myself, I wanted to live the way I saw it fit. Well I did. I really didnt go off the rails or anything, but I stopped going to church for a while, stopped reading the Word and just did what I wanted. I used bad words, I saw bad movies, I said what I wanted and did not aplogize. It wasa all good in the beginning. I was determined to "break-free." But after a while I felt empty, I felt like my life had no meaning, and I longed for God again. I gave it a long time. I tried to be in a relationship, I tried to focus on my studies, I tried to go out and socialize and it all didnt do anything for me. I was wondering, all over the place. I wasted my time and resources. I was in want of something deeper, and I felt weary from searching all the day. <br />
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God never let me go. Through it all, He has been here just waiting for me to come back. I started goin to church again, reading the Word again, and spending quality time with Him. It was what I needed. I never felt better. My life is not perfect but I am starting to get happy again. I dont understand why I had to go through that, but I did. I was so determined to leave God, but He didnt let me.]]></description>
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		<title>What Exactly Do I Believe?</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/39594-what-exactly-do-i-believe/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[I do not believe that life could exist without a creator.<br />
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I do not believe that any God would create life without a purpose behind it.<br />
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I don't think that the Bible is the literal word of God. Inspired maybe, but not directly penned by God word for word. Certain things in it show me this. It's a collection of scriptures written by fallible men. Possibly with an agenda, possibly not. It was later put together (not prayerfully) into what we now call the Bible by power hungry men, who decided they had the authority to decide what was and wasn't the "word of God".<br />
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I don't know for sure what I believe about Jesus.<br />
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I have phobia type fears about demons, and stories I've heard about them.<br />
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I don't believe it's possible one way or another to know anything about an afterlife, until the day you die.<br />
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I don't think there's a such thing as a relationship with God.<br />
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I don't, based on the division I see in Christians, think that there's any Holy Spirit dwelling inside anyone.<br />
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I don't believe that it's possible to know that you're "right".<br />
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I don't know if I believe in evolution.<br />
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I think that some of the "rules" Christians have are completely stupid, and have nothing to do with morals. For example, that certain words are "bad", just because someone decided they were, while they'll replace the "bad" word with one that they consider better, having the exact same meaning, and that's somehow better. Example: "I'm dealing with a lot of shit right now." / "I'm dealing with a lot of crap right now." Both statements mean the exact same thing. Both words mean the exact same thing. Yet, somehow, for some reason, the word "shit" is bad, but the word "crap" is fine, just because someone said so.<br />
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I believe that we do, in a way, have a sin nature, yet I believe that most people are "good" by default, so I don't know what exactly I believe about this.<br />
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I believe that certain things in the Old Testament are immoral and wrong.<br />
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I don't believe that it's fair that we apparently deserve eternal hellfire for something our ancestors did. Meaning, we're created with a nature that God hates, because of something someone else did, that God allowed. And it's all our fault, and we're going to suffer unspeakable pain forever for it. Just for being born.<br />
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I don't believe the God that the Bible describes loves us at all.<br />
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I believe that this world hates Jesus, just like he said they would. For what reasons, though, I'm not sure.<br />
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I'll add more as I think of them. When I seperate indoctrination from genuine beliefs, I don't know what I truly believe deep down inside. I need help figuring it out.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Does The Bible Describe Dinosaurs?</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/40078-does-the-bible-describe-dinosaurs/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[I've heard some people attempt to link vague descriptions given for leviathan and behemoth to dinosaurs, but it seems a pretty weak link at best.  Are there any other quotes that you've heard of to prove mention of dinosaurs in the Bible?<br />
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Behemoth:<br />
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. <br />
Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. <br />
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. <br />
His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.<br />
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This description is very vague, all we can really say it that its a herbivore, its strong and it has a tail.  The logical animal that matches this description is the elephant.  I see no reason to jump to the conclusion this would have to be a dinosaur.  One common mistake often quoted is "his tail is like a cedar", it is then said it has to be a big thick tail like a dinosaur.  The full quote however says MOVES like a cedar, which would simply means sways from side to side like the tree, it in no way mentions the proportions of the tail.<br />
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Leviathan:<br />
Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth? <br />
His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; <br />
each is so close to the next hat no air can pass between.  <br />
His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. <br />
Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. <br />
Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. <br />
His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth. <br />
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A huge creature that lives in the sea and can breath fire.  That doesn't match the description of any dinosaur, it sounds similar to other mythical creatures such as dragons.  Why would this "dragon" be given any more belief than any of the other legends?<br />
There was an article on the origins of dragons which claimed that in several cases it was anicent people who found a dinosaur skull, passed it to an artist and said "draw the entire creature".  The artist then guesses the size, takes hints from observing lizards and ends up with classical dragon images.  It was mentioned that the Chinese may have found a skull and spine, which when expanded on grew to their more serpent like dragons.<br />
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Basically neither of these two descriptions have to be dinosaurs, and certainly the lack of any other dinosaur like creatures throughout the Bible seem to case doubt that the world was teeming with such creatures at the time.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Prayer In Schools?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this is the wrong forum for this, sorry, I didn't know where to post it.<br />
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My mom read some book that stated when prayer was taken out of the school system in America, all the problems we have today (School shootings, teen pregnancies, violence, drugs, pretty much anything bad you can think of.) started happening. I don't remember the name of the book, and I don't want to ask her, as it'll bring stuff up I really don't want to talk about. I remember it credited a woman whose name escapes me, that lobbied to have it done. I checked wikipedia (<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_school' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_school</a>) but non of the names sounded familiar. I wish I could remember. Anyway, I doubt there's any truth to that, but have any of you guys heard of anything like that before? It seems most of these cases took place in the 60s and 70s, when there was a lot changing in the culture. Also, Christians are as or most probably more violent than non-religious people, so I doubt there's any truth to that at all.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Dating Methods</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/40106-dating-methods/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[I was reading an article by a young earth creationist which made the seemingly common statement "Carbon dating has been shown not to work and therefore science can't accurately date anything prior to the Biblical 6000 years".  This should make the majority of readers groan at the ignorance shown (or maybe you are so used to it now that it has long since stopped amazing you?), but I thought I'd have a search and try to find just how many dating techniques there are that show the world is older than 6000 years.<br />
Firstly theres the isotopes (of which carbon is the most famous), I quickly found 7 different ones in common use and a note saying there was over 40 that had been used in the past.  Theres stratography (knowing the speed of which layers of rock are formed), tree ring counts, coral reef growth rates, thermoluminescence (pottery heated to show its elements and light refraction), Termo-remanent maganism (dating pottery based on its magnetism), sedimentry layers, erosion speeds, plate tectonic speeds, astronomical dating, stalactite growth rates and ice cores.  Thats a dozen different methods and I didn't have to dig very far to find those.<br />
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I even found this on a Christian old earth site: "Vast amounts of data overwhelmingly favor an old Earth. Several hundred laboratories around the world are active in radiometric dating. Their results consistently agree with an old Earth. Over a thousand papers on radiometric dating were published in scientifically recognized journals in the last year, and hundreds of thousands of dates have been published in the last 50 years. Essentially all of these strongly favor an old Earth. "<br />
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The trick is I didn't have to spend days researching.  I just wanted to prove to myself how easy it would be to find the answer which some Christians seem incapable of understanding.  Google searches on any combination of the terms got dozens of hits.  It really is just a case of "can't be bothered", which is annoying enough that someone would willingly remain ignorant, but to then make statements on a subject that you obviously haven't done even the most basic research on is stunning in its stupidity.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Most Awkward Dentist Visit Ever</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I lurk occasionally but haven't posted before, but I just have to get this story off my chest...<br />
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So I was at the dentist getting my teeth cleaned and I got a super chatty dental hygienist. At first it was fine just talking about my new job and wedding I'm planning then she asked if my parents like my fiance and I said they like him ok but she caught the hesitation in my voice. I'm not a good liar or storyteller so I couldn't hide the truth very well that my parents wish he was "a nice Christian boy" instead of the atheist that he is. She pressed me and I admitted that cuz I didn't know what to say really...<br />
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Then she had to ask questions about how I came to not believe and where did I think people came from and what is the purpose of life... I mean really? I'm trapped there trying to get my teeth cleaned and I don't feel like sharing my personal thoughts about the meaning of life and religion with a stranger. Eventually she got the hint that it was an uncomfortable topic and talked about something else. However I couldn't escape her recommendation to read The Case for Christ... hmmm no thx. <br />
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I'm not really mad, she seemed pretty nice and didn't seem judgmental but I'm just irked.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Whats Your Most Hated Quote From The Bible</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/39842-whats-your-most-hated-quote-from-the-bible/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[I'm sure this forum has been made before but something is really bugging me. Now my mom knows the bible back to back, but she usually repeats the same quotes as many other christians do. This one she just said to me a minute ago and I like want to slap her when she says it, I unfortunately can't remember exactly how it goes but whatever its something like "faith is the substance of things.....something not seen but hope for" LOL sorry I totally butchered it. OH and I hate this one too "two or more agreeing on any one thing and it shall be done" AND my favorite "confession is possession" ill tell her like oh mom i think im coming down with a cold and shell be like "CONFESSION IS POSSESSION IN THE NAME'AH JEZUS I REBUKE SAYTAN AWAY FROM YEW"..thanks mom. Hating the whole bible altogether is not an answer im looking for particular quotes!]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Sick Of Mysogyny</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this article: <a href='http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2041/full' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2041/full</a> <br />
It has a lot of good points. More impoverished women especially need to stand up for their rights. I live w/ a new couple who often exemplify everything lacking in society's view of women, and it is really opening my eyes. I told the guy that I will not allow him to treat her like that in my home (he isn't abusive, but he is overbearing and treats her like property). Not to get all political on you guys, but damn it, this has gone far enough!]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Evolution Questions</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/40075-evolution-questions/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[Why aren't there bodies of creatures who only partially evolved and only bodies of fully evolved creatures who for some reason where able to die and not be eaten or touched?]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Judge Blocks Controversial Parts Of Ariz. Law</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/40097-judge-blocks-controversial-parts-of-ariz-law/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href='http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/?GT1=43001' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/?GT1=43001</a><br />
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<p class='citation'>Quote</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>PHOENIX — A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown.<br />
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The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.<br />
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U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.<br />
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Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.<br />
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Ahead of Thursday, police across the state, which borders Mexico, were scrambling to train officers how to avoid racial profiling.<br />
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The hardest-line approach is expected in the Phoenix area, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio plans his 17th crime and immigration sweep. He plans to hold the sweep, regardless of any ruling by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton.<br />
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Arpaio, known for his tough stance against illegal immigration, plans to send about 200 deputies and volunteers out, looking for traffic violators, people wanted on criminal warrants and others. He's used that tactic before to arrest dozens of people, many of them illegal immigrants</div></div>.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Palin Saw A Bear</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href='http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2010/07/28/palin-comes-face-face-grizzly' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2010/07/28/palin-comes-face-face-grizzly</a><br />
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This is some pretty earthshaking stuff, so make sure you are sitting down.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>How Do 40 Year Old Youth Pastors Stay So Hip-Hop Funky?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Un Declares Water And Sanitation A Basic Human Right</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/40113-un-declares-water-and-sanitation-a-basic-human-right/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<a href='http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52308' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52308</a> <p class='citation'>Quote</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>UNITED NATIONS, Jul 28, 2010 (IPS) - When the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) back in December 1948, 58 member states voted for a historic document covering political, economic, social and cultural rights.<br />
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On Wednesday, nearly 62 years later, a widely-expanded 192- member General Assembly adopted another memorable resolution: this time recognising water and sanitation as a basic human right.<br />
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The resolution proved politically divisive, with 122 countries voting for it and 41 abstaining, but with no negative votes.<br />
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Still, it fell short of a North-South divide: a rich-versus- poor split, as originally expected.<br />
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The United States abstained, as did some of the European and industrialised countries, including Britain, Australia, Austria, Canada, Greece, Sweden, Japan, Israel, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Ireland.<br />
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But several developing nations, mostly from Africa, also abstained on the vote, siding with rich industrial countries. These included Botswana, Ethiopia, Kenya, Lesotho, Zambia, Guyana, and Trinidad and Tobago.<br />
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Ambassador Pablo Solon of Bolivia, representing a country that spearheaded the resolution, said human rights were not born as fully developed concepts, but are built on reality and experience.<br />
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The human rights to education and work, included in the UDHR, evolved over time with the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.<br />
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"The same will occur with the human right to water and sanitation," he predicted in a statement to the General Assembly Wednesday.<br />
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Speaking on behalf of the United States, John Sammis told delegates his country had hoped to negotiate and ultimately join consensus on a text that would uphold and support the international process on water and sanitation currently underway in the Human Rights Council in Geneva.<br />
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"Instead, we have here a resolution that falls far short of enjoying the unanimous support of member states and may even undermine the work underway in Geneva," he cautioned.<br />
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"This resolution described the right to water and sanitation in a way that is not reflective of existing international law; as there is no 'right to water and sanitation' in an international legal sense as described by this resolution," he said.<br />
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In a statement released after the vote, Maude Barlow, board chair of Food and Water Watch, and Wenonah Hauter, the group's executive director, said: "Our network of allies have been fighting for over 10 years towards achieving a legally binding recognition of the human right to water at the United Nations."<br />
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While the resolution is non-binding, it is a crucial first step to providing clean water and sanitation to all, the statement added.<br />
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Barlow and Hauter described the final vote "as an amazing and surprising victory for water justice".<br />
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According to the United Nations, nearly two billion people live in water-stressed areas of the world and three billion have no running water within a kilometre of their homes.<br />
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Sahana Singh, editor of Asian Water, a leading monthly magazine on water and wastewater, told IPS: "I think the concept of water as a human right is enshrined within the right to life itself."<br />
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"We all know that there is no life without water. No more time should be wasted on drafting new laws and resolutions," Singh said.<br />
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In developing countries, where implementation of laws is already such a big problem, it makes little sense to push for more laws which will only be relegated to dusty files, said Singh, who has closely followed the water sector in the Asian region for the past 10 years.<br />
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An engineer turned editor, Singh pointed out that unless clearly specified upfront, the right to water could be taken to mean that water should be free or nearly free.<br />
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In fact, many argue that it is the improper pricing of water which has led to the whole problem of this life-giving liquid being under-valued, wasted and polluted.<br />
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"It has led to a situation where millions of litres of water are lost daily due to leakages from pipe networks. Would such a situation be allowed to exist with oil pipelines?" she asked.<br />
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The point to note is that the governmental authorities of Singapore, Manila, Phnom Penh and others, which understand the benefits of providing water and sanitation to all their citizens, are working hard to do so even without water being declared a human right.<br />
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On the other hand, the irresponsible governments which have done little for existing rights, such as the right to equality or the right against exploitation, are certainly not going to implement any more new rights, she warned.<br />
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"What we need to focus on is how to make the mostly public water utilities of the world function in an effective and transparent manner," Singh said.<br />
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The utilities need proper management, financial autonomy, training and support from peer groups, she argued. And they need to be allowed to charge appropriate tariffs in order to recover their costs and plow the money back into improving their services.<br />
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They need to have their performance benchmarked against other well-performing utilities so that they know where they need to improve. All this cannot happen just by declaring water as a human right, Singh declared.<br />
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Anil Naidoo, of the Canada-based Blue Planet Project, which was at the forefront of the campaign, told IPS Wednesday's resolution had the overwhelming support of a strong majority of countries, despite a handful of powerful opponents.<br />
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"It must now be followed up with a renewed push for water justice. We are calling for actions on the ground in communities around the world to ensure that the rights to water and sanitation are implemented," Naidoo said.<br />
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Governments, aid agencies and the United Nations must take their responsibilities seriously, he declared.<br /></div></div>]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Break Up</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I just went through a rather nasty breakup with my girlfriend and I thought I would vent/get everyone's opinion on what happened.   If you think I was in the wrong tell me I can take it.<br />
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Anyway, We started darting about 5 months ago, she is younger than me, I'm 32 and she is 20.  At first this did not seem to matter as we got along great and had lots of things in common, she did not mind my age.   We moved in together about 3 months ago, there were several reasons, but I honestly loved her and wanted her to move in.	In hindsight she probably was not ready for such a serious relationship move.<br />
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For the first two months everything seemed great, granted I sometimes got annoyed that she refused to do much in the way of chores around the house, but I gave her space hopping she would learn to adapt eventually.	Of course that never happened.  I was also honestly annoyed at how little she seemed to want sex, when we first started dating she acted like she was pretty perverted, but once we started having sex she seemed to not want to do it very often, and it got steady less,   Less than once a week by the end, and no more than 2 or 3 times a week even in the beginning.  <br />
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Everything started to go bad earlier this month.   My girlfiend has this friend, I'll call her "sue."   Well Sue had been friends with my GF for like 15 years, she is a little bit crazy and kinda demanding on my GF's time.   Sue had a big fight with her dad so my GF went to her house to spend the night, I dropped her off cause she does not have a car.   I thought I was pretty understanding about everything.  Then my GF asked the next night  if Sue could stay the night over at our house, I consented because I was trying to be helpful, when I got home from work the next day sue was still there and the both of me started in on me for leaving the kitchen a mess.   I was kinda like WTF?   I had been working the last 5 days solid and my GF had no job currently so how was it solely my responsibility to clean the kitchen.   This pissed my GF off, but it seemed to me that she would never say this kinda stuff without sue around, her whole personality seemed to change when sue was around.   <br />
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That night sue stayed over again, I consented even though I really wanted to say no, I am an introvert by nature and don't really like people hanging around my house for days on end, even more so because sue seems to like to cause problems in our relationship and stir up trouble.   Me and my GF went to bed and sue slept in the living room.  My GF gets up around an hour later and says she is hungry so she is getting something to eat.  I was having trouble sleeping so when I woke up an hour later and she wasn't back I went to check on her and found her up talking to sue.   Though I had been trying to let my GF sleep because she needed to get up early.   I still couldn't sleep so I got up to talk a walk which my GF interpreted as me as trying to guilt trip her about not sleeping with me.  (which it wasn't) <br />
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When I got up the next morning my GF was still asleep and I did not want to wake her.  Sue was up and acted friendly, so I acted in return (a choice I would later regret)   We talked about things and I explained my side, she said she understood and would leave before I got home from work so me and my GF could patch things up.<br />
Only when I got home BOTH of them were gone.   When I messaged my GF's cell phone she did not respond (a phone that I was paying for BTW)  and when I asked sue where she was she went off on me treating me disrespectfully and tell me to live my GF alone because I was smothering her.	My GF would not talk at all and did not come back until the next night.   We patched things up....or so I thought.   I did make it clear that her running away was wrong and hurt me and she should not do that again.<br />
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A few days later my GF asks me to drop her at Sue's house because they are going over to Sue's moms to babysit for her.  She was only planing to be gone ONE night, and come back the next evening.   When the next evening rolled around I texted my GF to find out when I needed to pick her up, I got no response, so eventually I texted sue only to be told that my GF's phone was dead and that her mom could not bring her back home tonight so they were staying another night.   I said fine, the next day when I got off work I texted sue again only to be told AGAIN they could not get a ride home.   Me and my GF were supposed to leave on a trip the next day so I told her that this was unacceptable and she needed to be home so we could pack.   I asked to talk to my GF and sue said she did not want to talk.<br />
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After riding sue about it she agreed to get my GF home that night, but the more I thought about this situation the weirder I felt everything was.  I already was certain that sue was trying to break me and my GF up per the last fight we had, and was also certain that sue is not entirely stable mentally.  Moreover I had not heard from my GF since I dropped her off two night ago, I had been forced to relay messages through sue.   with no way of knowing if my GF was actually getting the messages.  Also, I had heard from my GF that sue's stepfather who was in that house had sexually abused sue when she was younger (her mom did not believe sue apparently) I honestly became concerned that something bad was going on.   I called my parents  and they aggreed it sounded bad and said I should file a missing persons report, I was reluctant, but decided to send a message to my GF's phone just to see what would happen, it was supposed to be dead, but I knew that my GF had taken her charger so this was also fishy.   I explained that I did not trust sue and that I was worried something bad was happening and that she needed to call me or I was thinking of going to the police.	I got no response from my GF but sue messaged me about 20 minutes later saying they were running late but would get her home later, and then at text on sue's phone supposedly from my GF saying she would be back in time to pack for the trip.   <br />
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Ok at that point alarm bells were going off, maybe Ive watched to many crime shows but the pieces seemed too neat.  It was like sue or someone else got the message intended for my GF and was playing damage control to keep me from going to the cops.   I tried to get sue to get my GF to call me so I could actually talk to her and sue claimed my GF was mad at me ( I had no idea why she should be mad so this just made me more suspicious)<br />
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So I threatened to file a missing persons report if they could not produce my GF. <br />
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In the end nothing was going on (at least that I know of) and my GF got pissed because I accused sue of possibly kidnapping her, she came back and started packing, luckly my parents were there so her friends could not create trouble (she got home rather quick when she decided to leave me)  And her phone which she left still had a 30% charge so I am pretty sure she was lying about that too.  <br />
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It kinda looked like she wanted time away from me but didn't have the guts to tell me straight, and then she got mad because I was suspicious when the lies did not add up, and it was less than a week after I had just got through telling her not to do this very sort of thing so I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt that she would not intentionally be screwing with me like this.<br />
I think maybe she just was not ready for a serious relationship and she was running because she was scared or something.	Anyway, its over now, at least as soon as she comes to get the rest of her stuff.]]></description>
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		<title><![CDATA[Arg!  We're Surrounded By Morons!]]></title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you know, I've only recently become atheist but my faith has been going down the toilet for some time.  Now that I'm finally doing the research and seeing Christianity for what it really is, I want to share this knowledge.  It's so obvious to me...surely it will become obvious to others right? WRONG<br />
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Why are people so blind?!?  It's an embarrassment to our species.<br />
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How do you adapt to the idea of being married to someone you think is an idiot?  I've always had a great marriage but I don't know how he can believe in a 2,000 year old zombie!<br />
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I know I sound like a pompous jerk know-it-all...and perhaps I am.  I still don't know how to retain respect for my loved ones when I think they are seriously delusional. <img src='http://www.ex-christian.net/public/style_emoticons/default/vent.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':vent:' />]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>From My Diary To You</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is what I've wanted to say since I left religion. I wrote it in my diary while I was boiling with anger. It's addressed to the christians I knew until after college.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>Why aren't you a Christian anymore?</strong><br />
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I don't believe it. I did what I was told to do as a Christian. I read the Bible, prayed every day and abstained from "worldly" things, while you and your church buddies did whatever you wanted to do, even to the point of talking about me behind my back and making underhanded comments about how you wanted me out of your clique. Now, if you could do all that and still go to heaven because you're supposedly covered by Jesus' blood, then what's wrong with me doing my own thing?<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>Look, don't let the hypocrites determine your destiny.</strong><br />
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That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not letting hypocrites determine my destiny. I saw major inconsistencies between what was preached/taught and what the church actually did. I can't deny what I experienced. If christianity were true, then those inconsistencies would not exist.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>But we're human!</strong><br />
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Yes we are! Yes you are! So live with that instead of claiming to be more than human. Don't lie to yourself.<br />
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<strong class='bbc'>Our righteousness is as filthy rags. It's not about our behavior, but about what we believe. What matters most is that you believe in Jesus.</strong><br />
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Oh, so I can hurt as many people as I want, just as you did, but as long as I believe in Jesus, I'm all right? Do you not realise how inhumane that is? I have met more loving and caring non-christians who helped me when I was sick and befriended me without judgment. This reality is why I am not a christian.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>How The Bible Was Put Together</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi<br />
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I still consider myself to be a Christian but am having serious doubts.  I was wondering whether anyone knew of any videos on the subject of how the Bible was put together, how it was decided which books should go in and which stay out, etc.  I was talking to a Christian friend on this subject and she would also be interested to know more about how it was done, but she doesn't like reading books.<br />
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I always assumed these people were guided by the Holy Spirit but am no longer so sure, and no longer consider the Bible to be infallible.  It seems strange that some committee could put the Bible together and then for Christians to believe that they managed to choose all the 'infallible' books.<br />
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Hope this posting doesn't appear twice.  I tried to post it earlier but lost my internet connection.  Maybe God was trying to stop me ;o)]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Christians: Put Up Or Shut Up!</title>
		<link>http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?/topic/19290-christians-put-up-or-shut-up/</link>
		<description><![CDATA[<span class='bbc_center'></span><br />
I'm tired.  I'm tired of all the yapping and yakking, back and forth, he said, she said, bullshit of Evangelical, Liberal and Fundamentalist Christians.  I'm tired of all the baseless assertions, suppositions and mind bending rationalizations.  I'm tired of arguing against YOUR ridiculous doctrines that donâ€˜t even merit a retarded gopherâ€™s consideration.<br />
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But most of all, I'm tired of all the lame Christian excuses.  You promise "answers" and then proffer up "I don't know."  You claim that your God can do anything, but when pressed for a demonstration you retreat behind ridiculous excuses.  I'm drowning under an embarrassing Christian tsunami of "I don't know"s and â€œGodâ€˜s ways are not our wayâ€s.  <br />
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So here it is, real simple: PUT UP or fucking SHUT UP!<br />
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Robert G. Ingersoll, in a more civil tone, once said...<br />
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<p class='citation'>Quote</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>â€œThe church wishes us to believe. Let the church, or one of its intellectual saints, perform a miracle, and we will believe. We are told that nature has a superior. Let this superior, for one single instant, control nature, and we will admit the truth of your assertions."<br />
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"We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential â€˜amens.â€™ All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your moldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a 'this year's fact'. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years. Their reputation for 'truth and veracity' in the neighborhood where they resided is wholly unknown to us. Give us a new miracle, and substantiate it by witnesses who still have the cheerful habit of living this world. Do not send us to Jericho to hear the winding horns, nor put us in the fire with Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego. Do not compel us to navigate the sea with Captain Jonah, nor dine with Mr. Ezekiel. There is no sort of use in sending us foxhunting with Samson. We have positively lost all interest in that little speech so eloquently delivered by Balaam's inspired donkey. It is worse than useless to show us fishes with money in their mouths, and call our attention to vast multitudes stuffing themselves with five crackers and two sardines. We demand a new miracle, and we demand it now. Let the church furnish at least one, or forever hold her peace.".........."The Gods" 1872</div></div><br />
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I donâ€™t argue or debate religion anymore.  The rest of you can do so if you like, but I wonâ€™t be joining you.  I wonâ€™t argue or discuss god/Jesus for the exact same reason I wonâ€™t argue or discuss Santa/Frosty the Snowman.  Self-evident, puerile tripe needs no intelligent refutation.  Itâ€™s a pointless and silly endeavor to me.  Besides, humoring idiots only serves to encourage them to keep babbling.  I prefer to lambaste, lampoon, laugh and walk away.<br />
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Iâ€™m not interested in hearing/reading your mindless â€œreasonsâ€ for wishful thinking (a.k.a. â€œBeliefâ€).  Your childish insistence that â€œsomethingâ€ must have happened, because <em class='bbc'>you</em> say so and <em class='bbc'>you</em> â€œbelieveâ€ it, will fall on deaf ears and I will call you an idiot.<br />
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Talk is cheap.  I donâ€™t want to hear anymore tired excuses for why your God apparently canâ€™t or wonâ€™t perform on command today as he did so effortlessly yesterday.  What happened?  He run out of â€œJesus Juiceâ€ or something?  Used up his quota resurrecting himself and converting Paul?  Does God need some Viagraâ„¢?  Or is God preserving his limited resources for when the time comes to fuck us over during the dreaded Apocalypse?  What fucking gives here?!? <br />
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So here is what you Christians can do to prove to me that Iâ€™m wrong (to shut ME up) -- show me something -- an answered prayer, an amputated limb re-grown, a mountain moving, bona fide, honest-to-fucking-God MIRACLE that no one can deny! -- or forever hold your peace, because I'm tired of your incessant delusional buzzing around my ears.  2,000-plus years of this overgrown death cult is more than enough.<br />
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Put up (provide verifiable evidence) or shut up (keep your retarded â€œbeliefsâ€ to yourself and leave the rest of us alone).<br />
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Thatâ€™s the deal.  All things considered I think Iâ€™m being more than reasonable.  You Christians are the ones writing checks your butts canâ€™t cash.  After all, â€œOutrageous claims demand outrageous proofs.â€<br />
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The ball is in your court, you delusional nitwits.<br />
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~ Checkmate (back by popular demand)]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Question For Christians About Biblical Inerrancy</title>
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		<description>I have just one question for Christians to answer.  Why must the bible be the 100% literally true and perfect, inerrant word of god for the bible to have any value to it?</description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>A Question For Eemaan About An Islamic Website.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eemaan!<br />
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Would you be so kind as to take a look at this site...<br />
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<a href='http://sites.google.com/site/islamidawa/home' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://sites.google.com/site/islamidawa/home</a><br />
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...and help me out with a few questions please?<br />
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1. Does the word, "Islamidawa" refer to this... <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27wa' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27wa</a> ...kind of 'invitation'?<br />
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2. Is this relevant too?  <a href='http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e511' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow'>http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e511</a><br />
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3. Is it permitted for Muslims to use scientific evidence to promote their beliefs?<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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BAA.]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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