[nivek]

Toss shells here:

[Grandpa Harley]

*sets up the deckchair, cooler, beer hat, and the big foam hands with "Ant #1' and "Go Ruby" on them*

This is the easiest way I can subscribe to the thread. Rube has opened strongly there....

[Jun]

Now this promises to be entertaining!

[SWIM]

Sorry for bustin into to antlerman/alice buddy debate thread skip, I though it was totally finished due to everyone had closing statements, did not mean to disrupt.

Apologies

[Deva]

‘as we peer deeply into the divine, past the veil of the mystery into the realm of God, the face we will see staring back at us is our own. We are the God we seek. We are the divine.’ I feel that it is the terror of this subtle awareness that we look away to other gods to intermediate for us, to save us from that realization. -

Antlerman, I just have to say I thought that was just so beautifully expressed.

[SWIM]

You guys should invite an xtian into this, since we all know you are both ex, it takes the sting/excitement out of it. The information exchange is great, both are inteligent people, its just that when an xtian is involved you get the feeling like "wouldn't it be cool to see someone loose their delsion". Not possible in this conversation.

Of course, I am sure some xtians will "read" it, and may get something out of it, but it would be more fun to have someone to root for/against. In this situation you kinda want both to win, which is crazy.

Anyway, good conversation to read regardless, it just would be more interesting with an xtian in it. But then again, there really are scant few xtians on this site anyway...

[Grandpa Harley]

*takes the Beer straw out of his mouth*

IF Ruby converts me, then there's nothing between me and madness... how's that for excitement?



I'm sure I'd see the funny side...

[SWIM]

Grandpa Harley, on Oct 29 2007, 05:41 PM, said:

*takes the Beer straw out of his mouth*

IF Ruby converts me, then there's nothing between me and madness... how's that for excitement?
I'm sure I'd see the funny side...

ROFLMAO now that would re-define the word "ironic".

[Grandpa Harley]

At the risk of seeming to indulge in gratuitous flattery (and you chaps KNOW how gushing and just down home nice I am) it's a pleasure to see too real intellects having a proper challenge...

[Ouroboros]

I've just learned that there's a little hold on this debate at the moment. Ruby and A-man will pick up the discussion as soon as time allows. So if anyone wonders why nothing is happening, it will start again eventually.

[dano]

I agree Ruby!

In post # 13,You said:

"I am very comfortable with who I am and I am sure that any God worth his divinity understands that I am who I am and that this is the very best I am capable of being. Hence it is good enough. I don’t know if I'm right but I would hazard a guess that this concept of God or Self has been protected in the depth of my heart of hearts since I began being a sentient being before birth. The psycho-religious hell I was put through all but separated me from this Self/God."

I Dano, also believe that:
All belief in man made religions, (faith) end up perverting who, and what, we were intended to be, and what we have been molded into, by billions of years of evolution.
Religions presume to be able to reshape and improve on what has taken all the time since the beginning of the universe for us to become. It is an arrogant and stupid assumption.

Religions like Christianity, must be learned after birth, and have to be seen for what they are: Thinking Mans feeble attempt, to explain the phenomena, of what we have become, after the 5 billion years, since we all began to form, out of the explosion an infinitesimally small, infinitesimally dense, infinitesimally hot, speck of something.

Christianity is a A myth, no different from all of the thousands of myths that preceded it, and no more able to improve upon what we are, at the core of our being, than any other blood sacrifice religion.

If we didn't have religions to tell us that we were sinners, and then sell us the cure for it, we would by default be the wonderful complex beings that we have become, and be more able to adjust to the reality of what we are not.