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Lost Jewish Tribe Found In Zimbabwe

#1 User is offline   Neon Genesis 

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 07:22 PM

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They do not eat pork, they practise male circumcision, they ritually slaughter their animals, some of their men wear skull caps and they put the Star of David on their gravestones.

Their oral traditions claim that their ancestors were Jews who fled the Holy Land about 2,500 years ago.

It may sound like another myth of a lost tribe of Israel, but British scientists have carried out DNA tests which have confirmed their Semitic origin.

These tests back up the group's belief that a group of perhaps seven men married African women and settled on the continent. The Lemba, who number perhaps 80,000, live in central Zimbabwe and the north of South Africa.

And they also have a prized religious artefact that they say connects them to their Jewish ancestry - a replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant known as the ngoma lungundu, meaning "the drum that thunders".

The object went on display recently at a Harare museum to much fanfare, and instilled pride in many of the Lemba.

Members of the priestly clan of the Lemba, known as the Buba, were even discovered to have a genetic element also found among the Jewish priestly line.

"This was amazing," said Prof Tudor Parfitt, from the University of London.

"It looks as if the Jewish priesthood continued in the West by people called Cohen, and in same way it was continued by the priestly clan of the Lemba.

"They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron when the Jewish priesthood started."

Prof Parfitt is a world-renowned expert, having spent 20 years researching the Lemba, and living with them for six months.

The oral traditions of the Lemba say that the ngoma lungundu is the Biblical wooden Ark made by Moses, and that centuries ago a small group of men began a long journey carrying it from Yemen to southern Africa.

The object went missing during the 1970s and was eventually rediscovered in Harare in 2007 by Prof Parfitt.

"Many people say that the story is far-fetched, but the oral traditions of the Lemba have been backed up by science," he says.

Carbon dating shows the ngoma to be nearly 700 years old - pretty ancient, if not as old as Bible stories would suggest.

But Prof Parfitt says this is because the ngoma was used in battles, and would explode and be rebuilt.

The ngoma now on display was a replica, he says, possibly built from the remains of the original.

"So it's the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of," Prof Parfitt says.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 01:44 AM

Interesting. I don't buy the "lost tribe" angle, but maybe they're descended from Jewish soldiers at the Elephantine fort which was at the extreme south end of the Egyptian kingdom, on the border with Nubia.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:27 AM

There was a television show about these guys awhile back. The whole spiel. The ark being a drum and everything. Maybe a year or even two years ago. As I recall they (some group of Jews) wandered down to the desert in Arabia or something. Lived there awhile and then wound up on a boat to Africa. Then just stayed there. Took an hour or two to explain that in the show.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:31 AM

Brilliant story but I wonder how much of an expert this guy is ...

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"They have a common ancestor who geneticists say lived about 3,000 years ago somewhere in north Arabia, which is the time of Moses and Aaron when the Jewish priesthood started."


... if he was an expert he would know that Moses never actually existed and that the Biblical account comes from Egyptian (and other) mythology based on, amongst others, Mises the Law-giver etc.

Still a fascinating story though. I live in South Africa and we have quite a few interesting religious sects here claiming ancestry with various Biblical characters e.g. there is quite a big following of John the Baptist here, and also the Zionist churches who claim their leader is Christ incarnate (almost like the Pope). This church has about 6 million members.

Religious credulity and superstition is really popular here - witch burnings, the works ...
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:16 AM

This professor guy apparently has claimed the ark of the covenant was a war drum but where in the bible does it ever say it was a drum? The guy sounds a little off his rocker to me: http://en.wikipedia....i/Tudor_Parfitt
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:53 AM

View PostNeon Genesis, on 10 March 2010 - 11:16 AM, said:

This professor guy apparently has claimed the ark of the covenant was a war drum but where in the bible does it ever say it was a drum? The guy sounds a little off his rocker to me: http://en.wikipedia....i/Tudor_Parfitt


Didn't Yahweh kill people for touching the ark? I'd hate to think what he'd do to people who banged on it constantly.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:23 PM

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View PostNeon Genesis, on 10 March 2010 - 11:16 AM, said:

This professor guy apparently has claimed the ark of the covenant was a war drum but where in the bible does it ever say it was a drum? The guy sounds a little off his rocker to me: http://en.wikipedia....i/Tudor_Parfitt


Didn't Yahweh kill people for touching the ark? I'd hate to think what he'd do to people who banged on it constantly.


Bang the drum slowly, play the pipe lowly, to dust be returning if you touch Yahweh's ark
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:43 PM

Oh ... another thing ... aren't we ALL related via our DNA? Some other research was done using mitochondrial DNA to trace human ancestry and it turns out that all humans have common ancestors. One of our clever members will probably know more about this, but how do they know what the DNA of the ancient priest-hood looked like? Did they find samples? Or did they test people who also say they are directly descended from the genetic line of Moses (must be true if they say so, right?).

Come to Africa and you will find any kind of "missing ancient remnant" of various religious tribes. In Africa religion is almost a national business. I dunno - this whole "missing tribe of Israel" thing sounds a bit far fetched with a large dose of pseudo-science thrown in. It seems more likely that some guy (maybe a missionary) ended up living amongst those tribes about 700 years ago and sold them the idea.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:09 PM

Don't scientists also believe that humans originated from Africa or something like that, too?
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:24 PM

View PostNeon Genesis, on 10 March 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

Don't scientists also believe that humans originated from Africa or something like that, too?

I'm reading Dawkins' new book about evolution now, and he notes that our earliest ancestors are indeed from that continent dating back even to a primative lemur/monkey type of animal (one example of a species that lived before monkeys and humans split in the "family tree".

Darwin himself speculated as much based on the characteristics of African great apes, and the earliest ancestors of Homo sapiens have all been found in Africa.

But, then, all life is connected. Last night I was eating shrimp and my wife ate crab, and I commented about how these were our distant cousins. Yumm!
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:34 PM

I want one of those "We're All African" tshirts.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:59 AM

View PostNeon Genesis, on 10 March 2010 - 05:09 PM, said:

Don't scientists also believe that humans originated from Africa or something like that, too?

Maybe that's why humans are all so friggen religious (hehe).

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And maybe these lemurs were the ancient Hebrews (heheHE).

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:27 AM

View PostNon-Redneck, on 10 March 2010 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostNeon Genesis, on 10 March 2010 - 11:16 AM, said:

This professor guy apparently has claimed the ark of the covenant was a war drum but where in the bible does it ever say it was a drum? The guy sounds a little off his rocker to me: http://en.wikipedia....i/Tudor_Parfitt


Didn't Yahweh kill people for touching the ark? I'd hate to think what he'd do to people who banged on it constantly.


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