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Asking for charity donations (no particular) instead of Xmas gifts: nice or tacky? I have stuff already and don't need more, which would just be more to carry when I move out. But I don't want to appear to show off, either.
Well, if we assume a moral standard, the Bible, and look at the consequences of sin, yeah, it seems demonstrable....
And given we are so far removed from the original....there is no telling where society plots vs. the assumed standard/Standard.
"Why would a good God let some people be born into existences that are truly nothing but misery?"
You assume too much. You assume this God exists in the first place. Your questions contain this premise, front and center. Believers' apologetics also assume it. Try analyzing reality without that assumption.
It depends on your definition of "good" and "god". Many Christians says that whatever God does and allows is good, thereby allowing all suffering it be good. However this is dishonest in my opinion.
Good is generally accepted that which increases our happiness or eases our suffering.
Sam Harris in a Debate with W L Craig gave a very good rebuttal to the idea God is good - excerpts below but you can read the whole thing here, or watch the video below:
"Any god who would allow children by the millions to suffer and die in this way and their parents to grieve in this way, either can do nothing to help them or doesn't care to. He is therefore either impotent or evil." - Sam Harris
Whenever anyone says God is good - he helped me buy a new house, I say that's great... perhaps his time would be better spent saving starving children in Africa?
What's more, these people, born in circumstances they cannot escape from, are destined for hell because they have never heard of or accepted Jesus as their savior. Some Christians get around this by saying that God would never judge someone who has never heard. Again this is not supported by the bible, especially as the bible says that the truth of god has been put in all human hearts by God.