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Wildfire smoke is thick in Vancouver, WA today. A kid with fireworks went on a hike and started a blaze on Saturday evening. Ash has been falling for 2 days now locally, and one of the most beautiful hiking areas in Oregon is gone. The life will return in a few years, but the glory of what was there will take decades to regrow. I suppose it is part of the natural cycle of clearing out stuff and making a new start, some seeds won't even sprout without fire. But the devastation is huge for such an outstandingly beautiful area.
FYI on the rapture doctrine as an unbiblical doctrine and why it's not universally accepted among all christians:
A history of rapture theology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
I've often referred to it as, "The Secret C-rapture."
I had missed this new installment of fundie fantasizing:
One of the fall outs from the mythicist position and introducing astrotheology into arguments AGAINST christians, has caused some of these idiots to stop denying that it exists, and instead trying to embrace it while trying to make their own sense of it. The above is an example of how absolutely stupid some of these preachers are and how hard they're trying to own biblical astrotheology and make it work to their advantage in some way.
In the spirit of Herald Camping, David Meade pushes his rapture date further back: http://www.newsweek.com/doomsday-conspiracy-theory-david-meade-apocalypse-october-670253
Writing on his website, Meade clarified his belief that the 23rd is the date of a “historical event” in the skies that would signal the oncoming rapture. Doomsday itself, he says, will begin on October 15.
Well isn't that special?
The fucking idiots, while trying to own astrotheology in the bible, are shooting themselves in the foot left and right. Talk about digging a deeper hole for themselves as they go along. The bottom line, the bible talking about astrological constellations in such books as Revelation doesn't help their literalist causes. It works together with other information to lay bare biblical literalism and has absolutely nothing to do with a literal Jesus, a literal rapture (which has always been unbiblical anyways), nor a literal end of time.
The more these guys keep trying to date set and hype the end of the world according the bible, I'd expect the more they'll loose touch with society and ultimately bring closer an end to christian thinking altogether.
Back to Orion, here's a video on the correlation theory:
The correspondence's tend to show a conscious effort to build a complex below which mirrored what the astronomer priests observed in the sky.
This same type of structuring of society below based on the heavens above filtered down into the Jewish tribal era where the 12 tribes of Israel are numbered according to the 12 constellations of the 12 months. Philo and Josephus both refer to this, as well as the 12 jewels on the breast plate of the high priest representing the 12 constellations of the zodiac. The 12 disciples being 12 in number to represent the 12 tribes of Israel, also points to a representation of the 12 constellations which were always at the base of the structuring of 12 tribes.
This trend of trying to always consciously structure society below similar to the observed sky above lasted from who knows when, in deep antiquity, right down the christian era. And a lot of this ancient solar mystery content found it's way into the christian myth making periods. Orion's belt, Sirius, and Virgo being observed the night following the winter solstice being one blatant example. The fascination proceeded Egypt and continued on with a new religion which sought to take of the business of "resurrection" and run with it. I used to wonder what the correspondence was between the Egyptian religion of resurrection and christianity was, because it's very obvious that christianity tried to build upon an already existing idea of resurrection. Murdocks book "Christ in Egypt: The Horus - Jesus Connection" explains those connections very well.
I too rarely know what I'm talking about. Should I give up my life of leisure and go into preaching?
The Prophets may or may not have known what they're saying, but as a modern society we've had thousands of years to interpret and misinterpret them. The kid's parents could have spent a few minute on reading comprehension before letting him embarrass himself. It might have been worse if I could have understood what he actually said; damn you '80s mikes!