Ellinas

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    Greek language; archaeology; books; musing about life, the universe and everything.
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    Former Christian, now (for want of a better description) Hellenic pagan; married into a fundamentalist Christian family, and increasingly fed up with being told what to believe.

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  1. My first lucid dream - as far as I recall - took place when I was probably not quite a teenager. I lay in bed imagining I was able to fly out of the window. Next thing I knew I was aware of the ground whizzing past below me. I entered a rabbit hole. The rabbits were rather surprised to see me. They were odd creatures - eyes more like those of snakes. Though not overtly hostile, neither were they friendly, and I decamped quickly, waking up as I did so. Basically, I had fallen asleep whilst doing something akin to a pathworking type meditation (though I would not have recognised that term at the time and it lacked any real structure). The experience put me off trying anything similar for some time as I found it somewhat disturbing. Anyhow, I'm not going to be drawn on the question of any objective reality to lucid dreaming and astral projection. Not least because I doubt it matters - the experience is no less real either way, and therefore it is an issue that I see as rather subsidiary to what insights such experiences can give. What precisely do you mean by accessing astral planes from lucidity?
  2. An astral experiment? Intriguing.
  3. Firstly, I fear you under-estimate humanity's capacity for irrationality. We already live in a world where there are plenty of educated (and prejudiced) supernaturalists. Secondly, I'm far from convinced that the move toward materialistic and naturalistic thought is as general or as consistent as may be desirable. Cultural prejudices die very hard. What may seem likely in Europe and the US may seem very different in other countries and societies Thirdly, there are those of us who take a view of the "supernatural" which acknowledges that myths are just that - but who still maintain a belief in something beyond the generally acknowledged reality whilst maintaining that it is not so very illogical, at least as long as the thought processes are acknowledged as speculative. Fourthly, the "generational" view is very much in for the long haul, to the point that we are unlikely to know whether supernaturalism does indeed die out. But I have it in mind that this is not the first time such things have been prophesied. Religion may be the opium of the people, but there are still plenty of Russian Orthodox out there. I agree that attitudes will change. In some places there may be a lapse of supernaturalist thought. But I suspect reports of its' demise are, at best, optimistic.
  4. Talismans are merely symbols. As I see it, they have the power that is invested in them by and to the individual mind, whether made or adopted from another source by that individual. I've not made a talisman as such, nor do I rely on one. I wear a pendant that has a bindrune design, but its' meaning for me is completely different to that which it is supposed to bear according to some who use these things. It's supposed to be a protective amulet, apparently. As far as I'm concerned, it's a stylized, minimalist version of a caduceus and, as such, merely represents my obsession with the Greek pantheon. I have a glass "eye charm" used throughout the eastern Med; as far as I'm concerned, it's cultural symbol and a bit of decoration. I have drawn a few pictures that are meant to express ideas relevant to my particular outlook, but these are nothing more than rather amateurish artworks. Working out what, precisely, a symbol - talismanic or not - means is actually not that easy. The most accurate and definable use is where there is ongoing, common understanding (alphabet and numerals, for example). Next comes instances where there is a sort of negotiation between the understanding of the maker/user and the observer, which is only really possible where there is some level of common cultural comprehension. I suppose the cross is actually an example of that; as is the hammer and sickle, or the crescent and star. Folklore may be a rich source of such symbols also, I suppose. Finally, there is the process of giving meaning to something that is of unknown original purpose. What precisely did the statue of the Minoan so-called "snake goddess" mean? In reality, we don't know. But it can still take on the meaning an individual wishes to give it. Bottom line, however, there is no intrinsic meaning in symbols. So, as the meaning is "given", so is the influence. Talismans are whatever you want them to be.
  5. I'm not holding my breath on seeing supernatural belief being "laid to rest". Its' nature may change, but I would be amazed were it to disappear altogether.
  6. Which begs the question whether the technique to develop lucid dreaming is a recipe for insomnia.
  7. So, the creator is obvious. Well, if we accept for a moment that such a creator may be out there, perhaps these Christians should see the cruelty and egocentric nature of the creator as characterised by them, because it's a damn site more obvious than whether he exists in the first place.
  8. I also find the idea of holding hands bizarre. Maybe we're a bit more inhibited this side of the pond, but I've never heard of this happening in the UK outside of a seance. I think I'd have told him to pray if he wants to do so, but that it's not a game of ring-a-ring-roses.
  9. Lucid dreaming is a rare occurrence for me - last time I got into that state I recognised I was dreaming whilst I was apparently sat in my first car (an old style VW Polo). So, I took it for a flight, chitty-chitty-bang-bang style, to see what the sky looked like (a rather bright sunrise as it happened). If there are others with more extensive experience and capability in this particular art, it would be interesting to know about it.
  10. I am uncertain whether science will ever explain everything - though arguably not as our viewpoints are limited to what can be seen from within the reality of which we are a part. I am pretty sure that science has not explained everything yet, and am reasonably sure that discoveries will throw up at least a many questions as answers, so some way to go for the present, methinks.
  11. Is that the one that the Christians tell us is referenced in Psalm 22.6? "But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people." Maybe despised because of his lack of carpentry skills...
  12. Some pagans say "blessed be", though I've never worked out quite why or what this means. As I am the dealer in extra strength coffee in my workplace, I've been know to use "blessed bean" instead...
  13. Well... I did suggest that we should all stand in the middle of the floor and jump as that would at least save money on demolition. Also, when told that the way the building is constructed means that a concrete floor would risk pushing the walls out of position and destroy the hall completely, I exclaimed rather loudly that concrete is to be highly recommended. And my expression probably did not indicate the concern that would be considered appropriate... A piece of cake is precisely what the floor is turning into. At least, that's what the worms think, and the texture of the damaged would suggests they are not far wrong.
  14. The church where Mrs E drags me each week has a problem, recently uncovered. Woodworm. Lots and lots of woodworm. So much woodworm that it's a matter of when, rather than if, the floor collapses. It's also in the panelling on the walls, the pulpit, probably the windows and apparently the ceiling (though not so bad in the latter - that can be treated, the rest needs replacing). So, we're restricted to the concrete floored small room attached to the hall and the request has been that there should be prayer for wisdom as to what to do (the answer is bloody obvious - rip out the wood and replace it at considerable expense). No-one has asked, however, why god allowed his little church building to fall into such disrepair, rather than striking the insects hip and thigh and driving them out before his awesome majesty. Or maybe it's all bollocks...
  15. Back from sunny Ελλάδα.  The Aegean coast of Rhodes is quite remarkably windy - which helps keep it comfortable, I suppose.

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    2. Ellinas

      Ellinas

      Margee - thanks.  Greece has an emotional "pull" for me like no other place I've visited.

       

      Ficino - Όχι.  Γεννήθηκα στη νότια Ουαλλία και ζω ακόμα εκεί, αλλά, για κάπιο λόγο, βρίσκεται για 'μένα η Ελλάδα η πιο γοητευτική και συναρπαστική χώρα του κόσμου.  Η γυναίκα μου λέει ότι είμαι πολύ πιο ζωηρός όταν επισκεπτόμαστε τη χώρα.

    3. ficino

      ficino

      Ναι, αρέσει κι εμού η Ελλάδα. 

    4. Ellinas

      Ellinas

      Υπέθεσα αυτό - μου φάνηκε η μόνη εξήγηση που μπορείς να γράψεις μηνύματα στη γλώσσα.