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    Fishing, camping, gardening, politics, social dynamics, science, philosophy. A special interest in mythology and ancient history (Both ancient humans and ancient earth)
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    Currently trying to figure out who I am, what I believe, and what my future holds.

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  1. The American Scientific Affiliation

    BAA.... my question is.... why is it the "American" scientific association, as opposed to the "Christian Scientific Association" Are all Americans Christians? And are all Scientists Christians? No to both questions. So then what gives them the right to call it the "American Scientific Association" "Question. If science is agnostic and is silent on the issues of religion and religious faith, how can members of the ASA who are scientists reconcile their agnostic work with their religious beliefs?" I don't think they can. Religion most often overrides science for an individual. Thus if something is discovered that contradicts their religious beliefs then they would have to work very hard to follow that conclusion at the expense of their religion. It's the same with Biblical Scholars or Archaeologists who sign statements of faith pre stating what they believe which means you cannot trust any conclusion as they have pre concluded any discovery. And a big issue with this, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson would agree, is that such scientists upon wither coming up to a gap in knowledge, or having a conflict will immediately declare God, initiating an argument of God of the Gaps.
  2. I've Always Known But It's Unacceptable in My Country

    Hi Enlightened, welcome to Ex-C! Glad you found us and can be among like minds as an outlet since it appears you are rather isolated in real life (Like many of us) This is why some of us refer to religion as a virus. As Christopher Hitchens said "Religion poisons everything. It infects us in our most basic integrity" Pretty much. Even the 'historical' events are blown up so much its hard to extract the kernals of reality from it. Proving once again that religion is largely based on your parents and locality. Thanks for sharing!
  3. Guess who's dead now...

    Hmm maybe, but maybe its not their abilities, but rather the stress that the modern entertainment world places on these people? If I had a great gift of singing I wouldn't use it - why? The pressure, I hate that kind of stuff. So while its possible that some have wide mood swings, and other factors, I think that at the least, the stress plays a part.
  4. Anyone interested in discussing a UFO encounter?

    That depends on your definition. If your definition is so wide that whatever object I see blowing past on the wind that I can't identify is a UFO, then yes UFO's clearly exist. However in common usage UFO's generally conjure up ideas of extra terrestrial activity. So before I agree that UFO's "clearly" exist I'd need to know how you are defining UFO. Agreed here - no doubt strange phenomena does happen, and peoples' senses' do deceive them, however per the portion above - is this occurrence something you would put under "UFO"? I think this is a red herring. Some of us think that the majority of claimed UFO sightings explicitly imply alien visitation. Personally until solid evidence is found to support such a claim I reject it. As far as discussing what people here have seen, I feel there are plausible explanations that do not require any non earth explanation. (Non earth being an attempt at a broad catch all term) Again - isn't this a red herring? Who is ridiculing anybody? I know I don't read every word, but while I see scepticism (As should be) on this thread, I haven't seen any ridicule. I'd be careful about being too sensitive to the point where, because some people don't believe what is said and have strong opinions or scepticism towards it, that you then think they are ridiculing you. (I have no idea who you are referring to regards to ridule btw - I'm just putting out some general comments) Yep, agree wholeheartedly. Yep, and probably the process by which most of us ended up on this site
  5. Sh** christians have said to you

    .... meanwhile 5km away in the Hospital a 4 year old dies after an agonising fight with a rare cancer.... and this is repeated for children all over the world dying of various causes at a rate of around 20 per minute. God is sooooo good. Amen, Hallelujah.. with a god like god who needs satan?
  6. Ok, so that's three of us agreeing. I'll proceed with my solar eclipse comment then now I feel on firm 'theological' ground
  7. Here comes Donnie: I love it

    I haven't annoyed either Trump lovers or haters for a while so here goes: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/94958569/trumps-deeply-worrisome-new-york-times-interview-reveals-a-lawless-president
  8. Movies and TV shows Libertarian Style

    Here's some more Near the end of the star wars one is a line that BO uses about guns - see if you catch it
  9. Hi James Before I post I need to clarify some things with you: You mention a lunar eclipse - are you taking the "sixth hour" as 6pm, or 12 noon? If its 6pm, then its already getting dark and even with a partial lunar eclipse that happened during AD33, it would make the verse about darkness less miraculous, but would also override my thoughts about timing as lunar eclipses can go for the 3 hours. If its 12 noon then it clearly wasn't a solar eclipse as they only last up to 7 1/2 minutes. Based on my research.. being the bible ( ) it is likely to to be a day time event as Luke specifically states that the sun failed to give its light. So this is a slight embellishment from Matthew and Mark but gives us a time. "Now it was[l] about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 Then the sun was darkened,[m] and the veil of the temple was torn in two" I would therefore say that its not a lunar eclipse that people might use to explain it, but a solar eclipse. Now the problem with the solar eclipse is twofold: 1) as I mentioned a solar eclipse only lasts a few minutes, and 2) there wasn't a solar eclipse at that Passover which is a bit of an issue which puts the apologist back to arguing supernatural causes for which they have no evidence.
  10. "This would be a most grave concern (Ho Ho Ho)." James I feel there is something you are missing in your analysis of Matt 27 - GODDIDIT!... And now I don't have to think about the points you raised. Good article. One thing you possibly hinted at, but didn't specifically mention, but might be worth it for those readers unaware but even a total eclipse won't last long... not three hours, not even an hour. According to NASA How long does the longest-possible total solar eclipse last? This is about 7.5 minutes. The longest total solar eclipse from 4000 BCE to 8000 CE, a span of 12,000 years, will occur on July 16, 2186 and will last 7 minutes 29 seconds. Its path sweeps across Colombia, Venezuela and Guyana. The August 21, 2017 total solar eclipse, by comparison, will last a maximum of 2 minutes 43 seconds. About 70% of eclipses last longer than this. https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/how-long-does-longest-possible-total-solar-eclipse-last So any apologetic seeking to claim an eclipse as the cause for "Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour." is dead on arrival.
  11. Jesus on taxes: "Pay Caesars what is Caesars" Christians: Avoid tax using any means necessary Part of me says serves the town right for agreeing to this in the first place. Let it be a hard lesson for ye! It occurs to me (and based partly on personal experience) that Christians will do the most unethical things and stoop to the pits to justify it.
  12. Oh look! A "new" gender!

    Ok ok, so its ironic.... but currently I don't think 'they' are treating gender identify as mental health issue rather a thing to just accept... hence my question - shouldn't they be treating as mental health? If I get depression I don't identify as a "sad" person.
  13. Okay, this has got to stop.

    Hey @Geezer , I understand you man, but I agree with Vigile. This will be automatic. Everything is updated so often now. However.... I have good news - apparently change is good for making neural pathways which helps keeps the brain active and healthy
  14. Oh look! A "new" gender!

    *Scratches head* Ok surely that's not some gender identity issue as it is a mental issue? You know I completely rubbished otherkin a few years ago..... but based on the credence given to just identifying with whatever I think it could actually become a thing. Dragongender - when you identify as a dragon trapped in a humans body. Catgender - self explanatory Doggender - self explanatory Sounds a bit like scientology to me - isn't their premise aliens trapped in humans bodies and you have to enlighten yourself to free them?