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    Currently trying to figure out who I am, what I believe, and what my future holds.

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  1. I think my post about the US killing civilians went right over your head. The Christians you must associate with must not read the bible. There is a reference in Revelations to the "City that sits on seven hills". This is a very clear reference to ancient Rome which had seven hills nearby (In fact the hills and Rome are still there) That's one verse - most of revelations is talking about Rome. Nit pick please. Should have read "for over 1,000 years" In reference to your convoluted theory of prophesy about Islam it doesn't matter. Islamic terrorist target woman and children. The Quran says to kill infidels, not woman and children. I agree with the Quran as much as any other Ex-C here, but don't make it say something it doesn't to fit your pet theory. I know people convinced of flat earth too - your conviction means nothing. If you can't show it to be true, then its not evidently true. ... and then shoehorn in whatever events are currently happening. 2,000 years ago you would have been pointing at Rome, if you were born 300 years in the future it would be whatever situation is happening then. I'm calling horseshit on your bullshit. IF you did say anything I'll bet is was so vague that you could interpret anything to fit it... like most bible prophesy. Like all prophesy you have an event then claim you prophesied it. You do realize this is not prophesy right? I'm not sure who you are trying to impress but anyone in today's current world events can predict terrorist events. The chances are you are right. Why don't you use your bible prophesy to tell us the next major terroist event with DETAILS. If you had posted several weeks ago that A man named Salman Abedi would blow up the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester and 22 people would die THEN I would believe some amazing future telling abilities. Meanwhile I'm predicting a large earthquake to strike this year... probably in June or July. This is the earthquake from revelations "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake" We'll tally up on August 1 and see who is the most prophetic shall we?
  2. Rev, I am currently debating a youtuber on prophesy - the one about Tyre. He claims that Tyre was destroyed and never rebuilt per Prophesy. I showed him this: Tyre is clearly rebuilt - he claims the prophesy was fulfilled. Why should I waste time with people who make up convoluted rationalizations as to how prophesy was fulfilled when the conditions were that Nebuchadnezzar would completely destroy the city (He didn't, Alexander did) and that the city would never be rebuilt (It's currently the forth largest Lebanon city), and that it would be sought and never found (We know where the ancient ruins are, we know its history very well)
  3. @Bibler replied: "Yes." Bibler, since there was no original sin then, per your answer please explain: 1) Why we need saving from the original sin if its allegory? 2) Why does Paul and Jesus, both refer to Adam AND Moses as real if they were allegory, bearing in mind that while Paul was but a fallible man, Jesus was God in flesh. "12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" If Genesis 1 is allegory the rest of the bible falls over.... but fear not, Dr William Lane Craig and cohorts are working around the clock to rationalize science with the bible so that the fact God refers to people as literal we can take it is allegory. It's not real, its not true, its all man made religion and you my friend are showing that up very well thus far. As I would expect. Of course the next step is for our Christian friend to demonstrate how HE has the correct authority and revelation considering that MANY Christians simultaneously claim mutually exclusive revelations. @Bibler my father is the pastor of a small church. He (and the church) believes (without evidence of ANY sort) that the bible is literal (We are talking 6,000 YEC's here) and that he is the messenger of Revelations 10 who receives the final message for a small "chosen few" to go in the Rapture. This rapture is Coming Soon (TM) (And has been my whole life). Please explain to me why I should listen to your revelations/assertions rather than my fathers: 1) Considering that neither of you provide anything other than a claim of personal experience with God backed up by nothing but words, 2) why I should trust you over my father. Thanks LF
  4. Most of the bible is allegory - nothing more than stories told to explain existence, mixed with a bit of history (Slated to the writers view), and many (bald) assertions. Is Adam and Eve and their sin allegory?
  5. Aww damn, looks like I'm late to the party. Welcome to Ex-C! More specifically welcome to the lions den... we were getting hungry. Looks like there is plenty of questions thus far so I'll let you answer them and see if there is anything unanswered. When/if you have time I would ask why do you believe what you wrote in your first post? There are a lot of assumptions in that first post... why do you believe them? On what grounds?
  6. "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"
  7. I... need..... a ....brick.... wall.....
  8. Hi L.B I echo what TABA says. I feel for you, and my thoughts are with you and yours during this time. I hope you will be able to work through this positively and come out on top. Ignore all the Christian bullshit.... we know its all crap. Thanks for keeping us updated. LF (PS have you considered something like Go Fund Me to help with the financial situation? I have heard of families in need using such sites with great success.)
  9. @Thurisaz Let see if I understand. If I summarise your post into one sentence: It is the conditions and situations that people find themselves in that are more likely predictors of violence than religion. Thus if you improve said conditions violence should decrease? What is your position on inter Muslim terrorism then? Shiites and Sunnis blowing each other and their churches up. There's nothing political here, or related to situation. They are basically playing out what happened in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants. I agree that living conditions can be a major factor, but religion makes the difference between rioting, and blowing up a concert.
  10. Just reading that, one might be forgiving for thinking that we were harassing Sight and being abusive. What triggered that outrage was BAA asking for user names and forums from which Sight was banned to fact check his story. Apparently, like the bible, we were just supposed to take his word on faith.... I don't think he understands the term "Ex-Christian"
  11. Thuriaz, so are you saying while the terrorists might use the Quran to 'justify' their actions, the true cause is not religious fanaticism but something else? If that's that cause wouldn't all of the Biblical violence, and terrible things done in the name of God, and justified using the bible also be in question? Is it that humans when given the opportunity or cause will be violent regardless of religion?
  12. I hate to burst your bubble, but they collapsed internally. And then the Ottoman Empire had its arse handed to it on September 11 16 something while they were besieging a city.... "Then the winged hussars arrived, coming down the mountainside..." And the European armies outnumbered 15/1 beat back the Turks. So yeah, stalling your scientific progress then getting beaten in a major battle... not good for thriving.
  13. Preface: My opinion is largely based upon multiple factors. He's attempting to bypass Jesus, in another post he refers to "wanting it all now". It all now seemed largely material possessions. He also talked a lot about worldly success using law of attraction. (Think and grow rich style) Based on that I'd say he loves money more. BUT in reference to my post, many Christians are not as overt as Sight, and no doubt his apparent love of material goods may have created conflict with the Christian forums that he was banned from. (Incidentally I see no reason to doubt he was banned, only the reason that he was banned for.)
  14. The only other two places I've heard of having blasphemy laws, apart from Islamic countries, are the UK, and Canada. And yes we have our share of Bible thumpers... who incidentally get inspiration from American bible thumpers. You guys need to do a better job reducing religion over there lol
  15. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/92944140/Another-out-of-context-video-to-prove-Trumps-marriage-is-definitely-on-the-rocks The writer has a point. I don't agree with a lot of Trumps stuff, I think he's a buffoon. But I also think that media sensationalising a minor hand flick is also at buffoon level. Media, one again, please report facts not your opinion. I'll make up my own mind without your interpretation. Thanks. (By the way, The Young Turks made a big deal out of said hand flick.... they just look like hyped up adolescents looking for an excuse to pick on somebody.)