Shinobi

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    I'm just a guy trying to make it through college while at the same time trying to make sense of life, the universe, and everything. :)

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  1. I agree with you L.B., the human brain is not nearly as reliable as we would like to believe. Like others in this thread have previously mentioned, the most logical explanation for the Mandela Effect is false memories. Another good explanation that was also mentioned deals with the possibility that the "changed" Bible verses in question have been heavily misquoted over the years, and like a game of telephone where the original message is distorted and changed by the time it reaches the last person in line, what we remember as being the truth is not what it originally started out being. Nonetheless, it's kind of fun to research and look into. I mean who doesn't like to ponder the craziest of possibilities once in awhile?
  2. Joshpantera, I'm so glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks the whole mess is a little bit more than bizarre. While logic and common sense should quickly allow me to write these weird occurrences off, I just can't seem to mentally get to the place where I'm 100% confident in doing so. That is not to say that I actually believe the Mandela Effect is real, but I really do think the whole concept needs a thorough examination and a proper explanation. After all, one would be inclined to think that there has got to be a logical explanation for all of it, right? Anyway, I really wasn't making it up when I said that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people who are currently feeling perplexed by the whole phenomenon. I'm sure that most of them are like me, and they don't really want to believe it's true. However, some of the evidence presented in videos like those that you are currently watching by the Esoteric Detective can really make a person stop and question the true nature of reality (do we live in the matrix, time travel, space/time distortions, dimensional overlap, etc.). Outside of the Biblical references I listed above, some of the movie references like the Jaws & Dolly scene in the James Bond movie, "Moonraker" really make you stop and wonder... I probably better stop while I'm ahead. I'm sure half of the people who use this forum think I'm crazy by now. lol Once again, thanks for taking the time to look into this. You seem like a knowledgeable person, and I really like hearing what you have to say.
  3. Yeah, Abrooks, the Bible is full of scriptures that prove how "loving and humane" the Judeo-Christian God is.. Check this one out: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV). Apparently, the punishment that God prescribes for rape is that the guy who committed the rape has to marry the girl and pay her dad a sum of money. Oh, and he can't divorce her which subsequently means that the girl who got raped is legally stuck with a psychotic abuser for the rest of her life all because she was unlucky enough to catch his eye. The "purity, justice, and holiness" exhibited in these verses is almost more than I can comprehend. Wow... just wow. Smh :/
  4. Hi, Joshpantera. It's nice to meet you! It sounds like we have a little bit in common. I too attended a private Christian school where I was forced to memorize the Bible on a regular basis. I'm really sorry you had to go through that. For me, it was psychological torture of the worst kind... And, I'm sure you know where I'm coming from when I say that. Anyway, I just want to give you a huge "thank you" for taking the time to look into this. I realize the topic is bizarre, and I applaud you for not shying away from it. I read through your explanations, and I really liked what you had to say. You mentioned that the King James Version is full of errors, and I am starting to come to the same conclusion myself. The funny thing about it is that I was told by the church elders I grew up around that the KJV is one of the more "perfect" translations out there. After doing my own research on the KJV and comparing it to other translations, I can honestly say that they were completely mistaken. Like you said, it almost appears as if the translators who worked on the newer editions of the Bible went out of their way to purposely make changes that would correct the errors and glaring discrepancies found in the 1611 version of the KJV. And if what you say is true, it would also appear that the newer editions of the Bible have actually changed the meaning of what was originally written in the old KJV. Very interesting indeed. So much for the Bible being inerrant and infallible, right?
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  6. Hi, Astreja. What you have said here is the absolute truth. It reminds me of an old saying I often heard while growing up, "If a person plays with a sleeping dragon long enough, it is bound to wake up."
  7. DarkBishop, I feel like this is going to be a really interesting thread. Thanks for posting the topic! I wasn't a preacher, an evangelist, a missionary, or anything else along those lines. However, I was a music minister for quite awhile in my own way. To be more specific, I was a professional Christian recording artist with a legitimate record deal. Thankfully, I don't think any real damage was done by my music and message after I hit the professional level because I literally deconverted within the same year that my first album was released. Subsequently, I engaged in active efforts to do absolutely nothing to promote the album - I didn't go on tours, I deleted all of the social media I had that was connected to the album, and I left the music scene entirely behind for awhile to do some serious soul searching. Anyway, I'm not about to reveal who I am because, inevitably, somebody will go and download the album from iTunes and talk about it. I haven't spoken to anyone from my record label since this whole shenanigan went down. The last time I heard from them, they wanted to know if I would be interested in releasing a second album. I didn't reply, and I don't plan on doing so. Now, that I've grown strong and confident in my non-believer worldview, I can't imagine how much guilt or regret I might currently feel if I had chosen to pursue Christian music wholeheartedly... I still have regrets that stem from leading some of my friends back to the Lord when I was younger. One particular friend I used to have is now heavily involved in church and missions work, and I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't be if I hadn't stepped into his life to intervene when he first started having doubts about Christianity and his faith. I've often wondered what I would say to him if I would ever run into him again...
  8. Hi, Dark Bishop. I am so glad to meet someone else on here who I feel I may have a lot in common with. I'm not 100% what it is that I believe in (it's complicated), but I don't mind looking into the many possibilities. I have nothing but respect for atheists because, in my mind, they seem to have a real knack for looking at everything in the most objective way possible - I have gained a lot of insight over the years from listening to atheist perspectives. Nonetheless, pure atheism has never been a good fit for me which is why I identify as an agnostic and probably will until the day I day. In saying that, I absolutely don't believe in any of the monotheistic deities of any of the world's major religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc.). My girlfriend is begging me to watch the next episode of Arrow with her right now, so I probably better go. I hope we can chat more in the future!
  9. Hey LogicalFallacy, I think you are probably right. The more I've researched the subject, the more discrepancies I've discovered in the Bible itself - discrepancies that I wasn't previously aware of. I've always considered myself to be a person who knows his Bible pretty well, but as it turns out, I didn't know it quite as well as I thought I did. I attended a private school for six years, and every week I was expected to recite entire chapters out of the old and new testament by memory for a grade. I guess what I'm saying is that if my educational background and rigorous Biblical memorization schedule wasn't enough to keep me from overlooking discrepancies in the Bible, I can only imagine what that must mean for people who have never bothered picking up the book more than once or twice a week. What you have said is very insightful.
  10. Hey, florduh. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to all of my comments. I think it's safe to say that we have reached a mutual understanding of one another, and although I might not see everything eye to eye with you, I can still respect where you are coming from.
  11. Dark Bishop, it is so nice to meet someone else in the world who knows a little bit about the god, El. Ancient Mesopotamian history is fascinating to say the least.
  12. Well, florduh, I beg to differ... I actually find this topic and a number of other conspiracy theories to be interesting, especially when they concern the religion I was raised to believe in. You might think it's a huge waste of time to research subjects like the Mandela Effect, and that is perfectly okay. However, not everyone is going to feel the same way as you do. And, not everyone who chooses to do so is unintelligent. I happen to be at the top of my class in college, a member of a well-respected academic fraternity, and I was the only student in my entire high school to pass the ACT with perfect scores. So, it would be nice if you wouldn't be so quick to form such broad generalizations about intelligent people and the subjects they may or may not be interested in. At one time, people who went out of their way to disprove the legitimacy of Christianity were also said to be "wasting their time." I, for one, am glad that they didn't give up in their quest to search for truth no matter how hard that might have been to do at times. As a matter of fact, some of the old skeptics were considered to be so crazy that they ended up being burnt at the stake for their inquiries. I guess that's what happens when the worldview of those in leadership is severely threatened, and the bubble they live in is on the verge of being popped. On a lighter note, I see research into the Mandela Effect as it relates to the Bible as a great learning opportunity. It is worth the time and effort one might put into researching it if only because it will inevitably lead the person who goes on that quest to gain a little more knowledge as it concerns the history of transcription and translation. It also gives a person a great opportunity to learn about the brain and human psychology in general. There are many people in the world who have made a lot of money who chose to spend their time researching subjects that were considered far more bizarre and outlandish by mainstream society. I don't mind counting myself among them. It would be nice to think that a person can anonymously join an online community that professes to be "open-minded" and discuss topics that he or she otherwise might not be able to discuss in normal everyday society, don't you think?
  13. Hi, florduh. I couldn't agree with you more, and that is exactly why I brought this topic up. Out of all of the ideas that the Christian fringe has been promoting here lately, this is one of the hardest to refute. That is to say it's not hard to refute when one uses common sense, logic, and anything resembling rationality, but for a number of differing reasons, the people who are convinced that the Mandela Effect is a real phenomenon simply refuse to listen to arguments which are constructed along those lines. And, it's worth mentioning that they are so convinced that it's real that they are working overtime to promote a number of different agendas that are related to it which range from government conspiracy to science experiments gone south. I haven't seen near the strength of effort from people who don't believe in it to do anything to refute their claims. As a result of this, the movement continues to grow stronger and stronger. So, I'm really hoping that some of the people who take the time to read through this thread will do the extra research needed to explain away the abnormalities in the verses I've listed above. For starters, Genesis 1:1 seems way off. First, if God only created one heaven, as the verse implies, why wasn't it simply phrased, "In the beginning, God created heaven and the earth," as opposed to, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."? Anyone who has a decent education in English should be able to look at this verse and immediately recognize that it is grammatically incorrect (at least by today's standards). Along the same lines, why did the translators of the New King James Version feel the need to pluralize the term, heaven, if it was intended to be a singular term according to the King James Version? "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (NKJV) I am content with the conclusion that the translators of the KJV made a few mistakes. However, considering it's the very first verse in the Bible - meaning it would have been the very first thing anyone saw who looked over it during the final editing stages - it is highly plausible that there might have been something else going on. So, which translation is correct - the KJV or the NKJV? Also, later on the in the Bible there are references made to the multiple heavens which is completely contradictory to the singular heaven found in Genesis 1:1. "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." 2 Corinthians 12:2 (KJV) In short, providing solid answers to the questions I have posed above will serve to create a solid foundation from which sound arguments against the Mandela Effect can be built upon.
  14. True, and there are very few people I know of who are very good at academically refuting their wild claims. I mean for the average flat-earther it's not enough of a refutation for someone to just come along and say, "I'm so sure. The earth is round, you idiot! Ha ha ha!" Subsequently, because the average Jane and Joe has not taken the time to educate his or her self on why the earth is round, the number of people who believe in a flat earth continue to grow. This is mostly due to the fact that the majority of people do not understand basic geometry and physics. For example, there are a lot of people floating around who think that the shadow on the moon is caused by the earth, and these people (non-believers included) are the ones who end up completely confused by the first flat-earth video / argument that comes along. Now, with that being said, I do think the Mandela Effect is an important topic to research if only for the sake of keeping oneself educated and informed on current trends.
  15. I'm very much inclined to agree with you, florduh. However, this social phenomenon is spreading like wildfire. It's not just a few people who believe it's true - it's more like hundreds of thousands. The only reason I chose to post this topic is because it is very quickly becoming a topic of interest in mainstream Christianity. Chances are, you and others who use this website will eventually run into someone out there who is totally convinced that all of it is true. So, in my humble opinion, it is definitely a topic that is worth getting acquainted with.