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    Raised Baptist--YEC--gradually migrated to OEC, theistic "evolutionist", liberal Christianity, and finally atheism.

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  1. That, unfortunately, is not limited to the church. I've been single my whole life...don't want to get married. But I love kids. Teaching, enriching, encouraging, etc. I would love to become a little league, or youth soccer coach, but the HOOPS that someone like me would have to go through, is quite humiliating. But I agree that churches handle it particularly poorly. My former church does not allow Sunday School to be taught by a male for ages below a certain age (I forget the actual requirement), unless there is also an adult female in the room.
  2. Saw a few handles I recognize...Some of you may know me as 46and2 on christianforums.
  3. So...the intellectual side of me understands this. I'm not actually afraid of the shit after death. Of course I'm not going to give any fucks. But I LIKE my consciousness. The ability to think, feel, reason, love, hate, etc. I don't want that to end. And knowing that it WILL end, sucks.
  4. Thanks for that interesting study. I, too, would like to see a similar study done with better control.
  5. I didn't want to make it too hymnal.
  6. I forgot to add the last paragraph, and can't see an edit button at the moment (noob). If you are seeking truth, and if god is truth, then you will likely be led back there. So the question is not whether it was a good decision to walk away; it should be, "Is it a good decision to become an open-minded seeker of truth?" And the answer to that, of course, is a resounding yes.
  7. I wasn't ever convinced by the charismatic preachers, even when I was a believer. Prophetic visions and healings are BULLSHIT. Think of them as magicians, like Chriss Angel. They have their schtick, and they are very good at what they do. Do you ever believe that Chriss Angel, or David Blaine ACTUALLY perform supernatural tricks? It's the same with these preachers. However, I do know what you are feeling. It's why it took me the better part of two decades to finally accept my atheism. Which brings me to what I really want to address. Your question, "Did you ever doubt that walking away was a good choice?" For me, it was not a choice, but an acceptance of conviction. Whether I wanted to leave (I didn't) or not, was completely irrelevant. That is not to say that I did not have doubts about that acceptance at times. Of course I did. But it gets easier over time. ESPECIALLY, if you stop accepting invitations to go to church. ;-) Look at it this a truth seeker, without regard to where that might lead you. If an argument or event on one side seems convincing to you, ALWAYS balance that with counterargument. Let those comparisons lead you down tangents to other topics, and research both sides of THAT, also. THE biggest reason religion is so pervasive, imo, is that the vast majority never allow themselves to be exposed to data from the "other side of the coin." Indeed, religion is specifically designed to make sure that is true. That is why it is so devious.
  8. Aaron Hernandez's Murder Victim's Family Reacts to His Suicide: 'This Is God's Will' I realize that people deal with grief, anger, and vengeance in different ways, but this is an epic example of Christians having no clue what their god wants. The parent of one of Hernandez's victims says, “Any loss of life is a shame. I believe in leaving things in God’s hands.” Another parent of a victim, says, "“Only God has the right to take somebody’s life.” and "It’s very painful to me when somebody takes their own life" However, the lawyer for a third parent says, "“She believes - as she is an extremely religious woman - that this is God’s will,”
  9. I struggled with this for a while until I realized that the joyous rush I felt when a friend had accepted Christ, was not unlike the feeling I experienced when watching the movie Rudy--yes, i'm a huge sports fan. That's just one of a few examples. Our thoughts and emotions can trigger some interesting effects with the ability to release certain chemicals (dopamine, serotonin, etc.) at conditioned times.
  10. Oh, no, it is MUCH more vapid than that.
  11. And the funny thing is that I realize I should feel exactly the same about dementia. But I don't. Perhaps it is the gradual loss which eases my mind. I've never been able to adequately describe my...phobia?
  12. Intellectually, I realize that it is silly to fear, but the idea of my consciousness ceasing to exist creeps the eff out of me. Obviously, dementia is a burden on the family, and I'd not wish that upon them, but from the personal perspective, it's one of the least worst ways, imo.
  13. Heh. Dementia is one of the ways I'd rather go. Sure, the early stages would suck...I would hate that part of it, but once you get to a certain point, you don't give a shit about anything. It would be much harder on family than myself, of course, so given the choice, it would not be the way I want, but I certainly don't fear it.
  14. Thanks, it's been interesting reading posts from people who are either in the process, or recently de-converted. Most of the boards I have been to before are populated with people well situated in their stances.
  15. Yeah, I've only come across one other atheist who has expressed similar feelings. The worst nightmares I've had in my life, the only ones which have woken me in cold sweats, are ones dealing with infinite emptiness. It's hard to explain. In one sense, though, I can see how some ex-Christians would agree with the sentiment, in that they have never really feared hell. They have always believed they would go to heaven, and then by the time they didn't, they didn't believe in hell, anyway. But it's more than that for me. If I compare the idea of hell and the idea of permanent annihilation, hell is the lesser of two evils, as it were.