ag_NO_stic

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    Damn good sandwiches elicit "hallelujahs" from me.

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  1. Look this is the Lion's Den, so I'm not going to whine about how ridiculously insensitive and stupid that is to say. We'll all get over it. But if you read even a paragraph, before assuming you know what it contains, you'd see how personal it is. No, it's not "google" and yes, "he knows what it says." Can you the say the same of the your bible?
  2. As we've said multiple times, one cannot sacrifice to oneself. It's not a sacrifice to be temporarily dead so that your own blood pays for behavior in others that you don't like. I did read what you said, as you didn't ask anything, and I responded in kind. You gave attributes of your god's character, I gave an example that refuted those claims. You said to read Exodus and Numbers, I said that reading these books seems to produce very different results. It must be the lie that god sends to us. So....do you think it's possible that "god" is deluding you? Yes, I read the verses. I then told you to put the verses in context! If you read both chapters, it is clear what it happening. Reread my response and then read the chapters/ You picked one verse, the one right before the verse you gave completely refutes your point. Do YOU not see the difference? I will grant you that the galatians example is nitpicking. I'm not interested in pursuing that further, because you are successfully distracting me and others from the real problems here. The verse conflicts a bit, but if that was the only problem I had with the bible, we'd be having a different conversation. You are choosing to focus on a stupid verse in galatians and not address real conflicts like the crucifixion and the resurrection. I swear you are trolling us all, are you serious? While there is no command to take slaves in the NT, only to treat them well if you have them, my original question (before the rephrasing) address your obedience to these commands. So, I guess the question regarding slavery would do YOU obey God in keeping slaves? As for rape, I would put that at the top of the "sexuality immorality" list...of course if you don't and if you don't believe god does, then....like I said earlier, fuck you. Do you rape and own slaves? If you do....I hope you're arrested. If you don't, If this pleases god, why do you not do these things? Someone needs to point out to you that you claim to "answer" our questions and that's not what you're doing. You are ignoring some of our questions, misinterpreting others, and half-ass answering the rest! If I say "This verse in your holy scripture says that 2+2 is 5. Another verse in your bible says that 2+2 is 6. So which is it?" It doesn't work for you to say, "See the book of Numbers, the answer is 7. Also leprechauns." And then when I call you on it, you say "But I answered it! It's not my fault you don't like it!".....It doesn't work like that. YOUR scripture is shooting itself in the foot, you are shooting yourself in the food and peddling bullshit to us that we can see through, and I'm just calling you and your god on it. You say you are not interested in writing books, but we are spending a lot of time responding to you and trying our absolute best to take your bullshit answers seriously to get these one word, half-ass answers with no thought into what we're saying.
  3. Praised be his almighty balls.
  4. But if "God did it correctly" then why did "God regret it?" Why would anyone regret anything done correctly? Apparently reading the same books produces very different results. Moses hits a rock and gets "grounded" for 40 years. That is impatient, unkind, and quick to anger. The fact that you say "The word 'kill' speaks to murder" proves my point. God did not say, "Thou shalt not murder" nor did he say, "Thou shalt not kill, and to be clear I'm speaking about murder here." Definition of "kill": "cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing)." For the record, Stranger, I do not want your ridiculous exegesis of the text and I did not ask for your personal, "fallen" interpretation of the verse. I want you explain why god says "Don't Lie.....unless I compel you to." Do you not see how one could make the argument that any lie came from god? Your salvation bit is a load of horseshit. You are referring to the process of sanctification, not salvation. Sanctification is the christianese word for those who are already "saved" and are being constantly made more righteous though their "walk with god." "Salvation" is defined as "preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss." What are we being saved from? Your god, specifically hell. As for the James/Romans contradiction, this is categorically untrue. James and Paul argued with each other off and on through these letters" and they warned believers of each other's theology. The James verse you quoted refutes itself in the verse right before that when it says, "You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?" You took James 2:21 out of context where James is asking incredulously if you think that Abraham was saved by righteousness, a direct contraction with Romans. God is apparently speaking to you through his word, stranger, he called you a fool. No you didn't. You "tried to explain it" and came up short. The verses contradict each other, your opinions don't change the fact. Ah, I'm so glad you asked. I'll rephrase and provide the proper evidence. My question, reworded, is how does "progressive revelation (a word you used)" explain how god changes his opinion on rape and slavery for example? See verses on god's commands to his people and then explain why you don't do the same as obedience to god. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." Deuteronomy 22:20-21 "20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death." Deuteronomy 22:23-24 "If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you." Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins." Leviticus 25:44-45 "And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have — from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property." Exodus 21:20-21 "“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property." If this is the first time you've heard these passages, I'd save "Judges 19:25-28" and "Genesis 34" for another time.
  5. Lol, for someone with limited time and a long "to-read" list, did you rank this by favorite?
  6. You are speaking nonsense christianese gibberish. If God was going to "feel bad" about making man, but he knew it was going to happen because of "omniscience..." then why do it at all? I bake cookies and cross my fingers that I don't burn the shit out of them....but me being omniscient and knowing that I am going to baking disgusting tasting, burned cookies and that don't even remotely resemble the shape they are supposed to be....I would either choose to bake them correctly or NOT DO IT AT ALL. Why not netflix it up if I know for 100% I am going to regret it? What I'm seeing in this chapter is god flip-flopping around all over the place like a human would. He says "They're wretched, I'ma kill em." "Ok, nevermind, I changed my mind" all throughout the bible. I thought he was patient, kind, and "slow to anger." "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God." (Matthew 22:29b) Jesus said that, by the way. "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it." (Deuteronomy 12:32) "Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar." (Proverbs 30:6) You are adding to his holy word, Strange, be careful of this. The "Thou Shalt Not Kill" does not say "unless you are in war, following my command to kill someone, or sacrificing to me." It says don't kill. So why should I rejoice is dashing my little ones against rocks? What does that even mean? Definition of grace, according to Romans 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace." Moses absolutely was not saved by grace, it was absolutely through works. Romans 4:4 "Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due." James 2 and Romans 4 are literally refuting one another point blank. There is no way around this. Paul says it was always grace, James said it was always works. I have nothing to say about this to you, the verses say two completely different things. You can try to explain it away, but you just can't. So....at what point does "progressive revelation" go from "marry the rapist and stone the girl getting raped who doesn't scream loud enough" to "avoid all sexual immorality and repent of it." Unless of course you don't think rape is sexually immoral, in which case fuck you. I'm assuming that you personally find slavery and rape to be wrong, even though God condones it?
  7. I think it takes various phrases and merges them for an insult. "Like sex-mad" is in a different verse than the "baboons" (2 Chronicles 9:21)
  8. perfection
  9. @Stranger, even if you overlook completely the sadistic nature of the "gospel," if you ignore my biting sarcasm and outrage at god's immoral and repugnant behavior....Assuming I truly wanted to celebrate in your disgusting "good news," I don't even know what to believe in the bible. You say "all you must do is believe" but......these verses outright CONTRADICT each other. So which one is it? Did Jesus say anything to Pilate or was he silent? When did he die? Who was there at the resurrection? Does God judge me or not? Does Jesus judge me or not? Am I blameless or not? Is Jesus here as peace or a sword? Should I rejoice in trials or weep/mourn, not take a bath, and cover myself in ash? Is the earth Jesus' or the devil's? Does God want me to be saved or not? Does God love me or hate me? It's not little stuff and it's not outside sources, that stuff is in the BIBLE! Which do I "believe" to be saved?
  10. You know what is really interesting to me, @Stranger? That you say god cannot change his mind or that he must deal with sin as it is not allowed in his presence when that notion is bit difficult to reconcile with scripture. “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father....who does not change like shifting shadows." (James 1:17) “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.” (Malachi 3:6) “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?” (Numbers 23:19) Now compare with this: “The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.” (Genesis 6:6) "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people," (Exodus 32:14). Perhaps the grand slam of his changing mind is this widespread understanding throughout christianity that there is a "new covenant" when Jesus himself said that "he came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it." The "new covenant" asserts that Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice so that animals no longer had to be slaughtered to appease god for the sin. But did the actual commandments change? Do crustaceans (Leviticus 9:10) and various physical deformities (Leviticus 21:17-23) (that he supposedly created) still offend god? Can you really respond to any troublesome commandment with "Oh that was the old covenant" as if still does not profane the lord? Does not one who loves god want to "keep his commands?" (John 14:15) Are we supposed to kill entire tribes (Exodus 32:27) or not kill at all (Exodus 20:13)? Are lying lips some kind of abomination to the Lord (Proverbs 12:22) or does god "put a lying spirit in the mouth of prophets," (I Kings 22:23)? Is it by grace we are saved (Ephesians 2:8-9) or through works (James 2:24)? And no, do not give me bullshit about how being saved by grace results in works, James is clear about how one is "saved." Does god show his face (Genesis 32:30) or not at all (John 1:18)? Does god want each man to bear his own burdens (Galatians 6:5) or bear each others' (Galatians 6:2)? (yes, that was three verses later.) These are only a few examples of being totally unsure what actually pleases god. You have an issue before you: EITHER certain OT behaviors are still acceptable to god, because he is unchanging, and our western practices of "morality" deeply offend god (such as no longer owning slaves, not beating slaves to within an inch of their life, eating shellfish or bacon, not making people with physical deformities leave the church, not stoning a woman found not to be a virgin or who was raped and didn't scream lout enough, not raping our way into marriage, not being happy to dash our little ones against rocks or, or not stoning rebellious teenagers) OR god changed his mind about sin and he finds abominable showing that his capable of changing his own standard.
  11. Hahahaha I have found the most perfect site ever. All you have to do is click the "Take That!" button and it pulls a curse right out of the Old Testament that you can say as a comeback to someone straight for good ole yahweh. Enjoy! I got: "May you beget difficult teenagers, O ye whose name is but dung!" http://www.ship-of-fools.com/curse/index.html
  12. I was making more of a pun/joke, but I didn't know about the rank title!
  13. Ok, then do you or do you not believe the narrative with some condescending compassion thrown in? Or would you like to clarify the attitude that you do have, since you did not clarify it in your above response? Furthermore....just to clarify....the only problem you have with the narrative is your attitude? Not any of the content? Or God's "attitude?"