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  1. The cry for the Wild Woman

    I think your post is beautiful. I hope that you and your mother are able to be fully yourselves and feel free.
  2. Astral Projection?

    So what do you think it is then? It's the mind creating an illusion of going out of your body on a journey? Why was it scary? What did your experience consist of?
  3. Astral Projection?

    Nightmare on elf street - I'm intrigued about what that's about.. that dream doesn't sound too much fun though!
  4. Astral Projection?

    I wouldn't say "no" evidence, just not very conclusive evidence. For example it appears though that there is quite strong evidence that some NDEs have occurred at times when there the heart has stopped pumping blood and there is no registerable brain activity. Some people also give accurate reports of procedures they "saw" being done to their bodies etc. I agree that "astral projection" sounds a bit dubious though. From what I understand it rarely involves supposedly going out of your body into the usual physical world, but into one that is like the physical one, but that can be influenced by your thoughts, and then others that are strange and dream-like. It does sound as if it is just a kind of lucid dream. Also I have heard that sometimes pairs of experimenters try to do this and meet up in a given place in the astral planes and then report back etc, as proof of these astral planes objective existence and evidence of having left the body, but I did not read any convincingly impressive accounts of this succeeding.
  5. Paganism Attracts Me

    Well the Old Testament god just loved having animals sacrificed to him - it was not an exclusively "Pagan" thing. And bathing in a bull's blood was only done in the initiation into the Mithraic Mysteries, as far as I know. It is a bit hard to generalise about what Pagans believed, since in a broad sense pretty much any religion that is not one of the Abrahamic ones was considered "Pagan." But in the modern neo-Pagan sense it generally involves rituals to mark the seasons, venerating two or more gods (who might be seen as literal beings or personifications or aspects of one overall pantheistic type of God), tolerant laid back ethics, a fairly loose inspiration from ancestral practices and beliefs etc. Hinduism is a good example of a Pagan religion that has come down to us from ancient times without a break (and they rarely bathe in bull's blood, as far as I know..).
  6. Yes, and what about the bit where Moses says to kill everyone apart from keeping for themselves the young women who have not "known" a man yet.... I guess they just kept them alive because they felt sorry for them..
  7. It's true that by many Christians' logic the kindest thing would be to kill young children before they have had chance to commit many sins ( though I am not sure at what age you become capable of committing mortal sins... surely you don't have to be 18 or 21 or something??) But then again aren't you supposed to need baptism for the remission of original sin, and if not, then what is the point of it? Or if it's your brand of theology that it's faith you need for remission from (all kinds of) sin, in which case young children don't have that either... And in any case these children were Old Testament - at the very best would they not just go hang around in Sheol waiting for Jesus to die for them? Wouldn't the best thing just be for God to have us all be born in Heaven and leave it at that without all the messing about, gambling with our souls by putting us on Earth?
  8. I would guess the "where Christ was named" bit is maybe not a good translation, and it just means, as he said elsewhere that he went to places where most people didn't know about Christ, to spread the word. He mentions Jerusalem and a place near Italy to illustrate the large swathe of territory he has preached across. [PS. re Paul believing the dead go to Heaven before the final resurrection, in Philippians he says "I want to be gone and be with Christ" so that seems to suggest this]
  9. I take Freke and gandy with a large pinch of salt - they are not objective in their assessment of evidence but have made up their mind what their theses are and skew the evidence to fit them. For example no one in antiquity as far as I know worshipped "Osiris-Dionysus" - this is just a convenient composite figure they use which combines attributes of every deity with a vague similarity to Jesus (and even then they exaggerate and misrepresent how close some of the similarities actually are). I throughly disagree that in the non-contested letters of Paul there are no passages showing he believed in a historical Jesus. I found plenty of them, that I posted into the other thread about how the belief in his resurrection got started. But otherwise I don't violently disagree with your general gist, especially since you clarified that the Gnostics claimed Paul as their champion, not that Paul directly gave support to Gnostics. I would be interested in knowing in what particular texts they made such claims, but I see no reason to doubt it particularly. I guess it's a fruitless task trying to know exactly what Jesus taught, but my guess is that he was an apocalyptic preacher saying to repent and start loving God and "neighbour" etc, for the end of the world was coming soon - I get that as a strong thread in the gospels. For that reason it followed logically to him that material possessions and family attachments were no longer very important, as God was about to intervene and judge everyone.
  10. What's the evidence Paul was a supporter of the Gnostics? I don't get that from reading Paul. Also I would say the evidence is lacking that there even were such things as Christian Gnostics in Paul's day - they seem to have flourished mainly in the 2nd Century as far as I know.
  11. Voice From The Sky?

    Regarding Acts 22:9, the Bible I use, which is a modern Catholic one (New Jerusalem Bible), supposedly based on thorough reexamination of the original GReek and Hebrew texts by scholars, says: the people with me saw the light but did not hear the voice which spoke to me - in other words a contradiction of 9:7 - the men...heard the voice but could see no one. I see the KJV and American standard version also have "hear", while the NIV goes for "understand" in 22:9. I wonder if the translators of that one went for that word so as to try to erase the blatant contradiction? By the way, I don't agree Aramaic is aka Hebrew - it is related to Hebrew, but is considered a seperate language, and in Jesus's day it was the day to day conversational language. In my Bible Paul says the voice spoke Hebrew, which was the language of the bible, and I think that used in the Temple in prayers etc. Jews of his day generally understood both and also often spoke some Greek. PS Looking at a few versions, it seems there is a bit of confusion in the text as to which was meant - eg. Acts 26:14 (English Standard Version) 14And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me(A) in the Hebrew language,[a] 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' Footnotes: Acts 26:14 Or the Hebrew dialect (that is, Aramaic) By the way, I was looking up Aramaic on Wikipedia just now to try to check my facts and found that some people still speak it, including Assyrians - so I discovered in one go that there are still Aramaic speakers and still ethnic Assyrians - who knew?
  12. I'm Completely Lost...

    I think doubting the religion you were brought up to believe was true hits different people harder than others, depending on your personality. It does feel like a betrayal in many ways, that people you trusted told you something was true, when it turns out it has no solid foundations. And it hurts as well if you thought everything was basically going to always be "alright" because a loving and just and powerful force was in charge, even if his ways seem "mysterious" some times... But it happens again and again that the more people study Christianity with an open mind, the more they doubt and see holes in it - that in itself seems to me to give even more proof that it is likely to be untrue. Why would God have made it so that sincere seekers eventually move away from the faith? And therefore by Christian "logic" are going to Hell while ignorant people who never took much real interest in religion are going to Heaven for their naive "faith". I could soon see from things like that that the Bible/Christian god most likely was not true. However no other form of religiouns teaching has ever really rung true to me either, and proved itself to me to be something other than delusion or wishful thinking. As for the something must have started things, one answer is that scientists say time and space themselves started in the big bang therefore it makes no sense to ask what was before. As for what started it, no one knows, but that is not to say we might not work it out one day. But just making up an answer like "God did it" doesn't really help. Also , if he was the creator, then who created him , and so on. It's OK to admit we don't know everything. The fact that our planet is just right for us to live on, is self expanatory really - life, or life like us anyway, may be very very rare in our universe, and if we were going to end up living anywhere it had to be in one of those places that suit us to live. Otherwise we would not be here at all , asking the question. Re. fulfilled prohecies, the problem is that in terms of NT ones, many people would argue it is likely the stories were written down after the events they "prophecy" and the prophecies were invented to make Jesus look good. As far as OT ones go, in many cases verses taken as "prophecy" by christians are not prophecies in their context and/or refer to something different from what Christians try to take them to mean. Sometimes also the Greek version of the OT the gospel writers used sounds more like a prophecy than the original Hebrew version - the most famous example being "a virgin shall give birth", which only meant "a young woman shall give birth" in the original Hebrew. Finally there is also the strong likelihood that the gospel writers invented some parts of their stories so they seemed to fulfil OT passages - Mathew is the one who does it most blatantly, but they all seem to do it - for example some of the things in the crucifixion strories are direct quotes from the psalms or prophets. As the Christian swere keen to prove to their skeptical jewish comtempories that Jesus had been the Messiah, it's not surprising they tweaked their accounts in this way. I don't have the answer to your depression, but you may be one of those people who find that just looking at the world without the filter of religious superstition makes them feel more clear-headed and able to stand on their own two feet better. There are less rules handed to you and you have to work out your own values and priorities. I hope you get through this OK.
  13. Thailand Bans Female Buddhist Monks

    Me neither. I have read that supposedly the Buddha taught that there was no obstacle to it. While I disagree with his metaphysics and to some extent with other issues like his ideas about renunciation and detachment and his negative view towards sensual pleasures, I do think he was admirable in some ways, and would be surprised and disappointed if he had claimed women had to be reborn as men to be enlightened. It sounds uncharacteristic.
  14. Regarding the examples the OP gave, I agree with other posters, that we have only the gospel writers word for it that he predicted these things and only their word that they then happenned as described. As far as predictions go, I think the fact Jesus in all synoptic gospels preducts the temple will be destroyed, would be quite impressive it it was a genuine prediction (though it had happenned historically before, when the Jews were enslaved by the Babylonians) but I think it is more likely that it is a "prediction after the event", suggestive of the fact the gospels were written (quite soon) after the fall of Jerusalem in 70ad. Perhaps in the ensuing chaos it was decided it was important to write down some foundational stories about the new religion, to bolster it up. Considering that before the fall, the Jewish rebels had occupied the city and held it against the Romans, who then laid siege to it before breaking in an destroying it, this bit from Luke, in particular is just a bit "too" good: 41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42and said.... 43The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you." By this time anyone who was an adult when Jesus was executed would have been in their late 50s or more - so I agree with Mr Neil there wouldn't have been many in those days when life expectancies were around 40 or so, but I disagree there would have been none. Not everyone died young back then, it is just that people died younger on average. The bible itself mentions 70 as the standard age of man, and in one part says they reach 80 if they are strong. Isaac Newton (17th Century) in a study about aging, said any village of any reasonable size has at least one octogenarian and he had met healthy 100 year olds.
  15. Stigmata

    I find it hard to believe that psychosomatic causes can trigger actual large bleeding wounds on someone's hands. I think it's more likely he did it himself. Ps if the images don't work for you, just google Padre Pio stigmata - that's what I did.