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    I'm probably older than most of the members here and have some life experience to look back upon. I never bought into religion and find it the source of too many wars. The more I look at Christianity, the more preposterous it becomes.

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  1. Well, below is a link to the story. What more can I say. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/17/navy_apologizes_for_sky_penis.html
  2. Most Hilarious and Awkward Names Ever!

    The boys vice principal of my high school was Harry Dick. Really.
  3. I predict that B.O. will post something outrageous and blatantly false on this forum.
  4. Facts, logic and common sense. Ask this of a believer: "Do you believe this because it makes sense or do you believe it because other people have convinced you that bad things will happen to you if you don't." Religion is based on fear. Those who practice it are laden with fear and they project that fear onto others. They are afraid of sex, afraid of the dark, afraid of the unknown, and afraid of death. Mark Twain once wrote: “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
  5. Hi Borticus: The only thing I could add to the good advice above is that some morning you will wake up and feel a tremendous weight has been lifted from your shoulders. You'll feel a freedom you never felt when you were a Christian. It's hard to say when that day will come, but it will. Keep checking in to this site and keep us posted. We're rooting for you.
  6. Here is a good article for Veteran's Day, by a former Marine in Vietnam who writes, "I took my faith to war. I survived. It didn't." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/opinion/god-jesus-and-vietnam.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad If you can click off to the side, read some of the comments marked "readers' picks" and "NYT picks." Very thoughtful.
  7. Friend lost his son

    Having been down that road, all I can say is that the best thing someone can do is to listen, and it sounds like you have offered that. Something a friend did for me that I'll never forget is to offer me refuge at his place, which was about three hours away, if I ever needed to get away. While I didn't take him up on it, the gesture was the kindest thing anyone said to me.
  8. Vigile and Buffetfan: Thanks for your comments; they are a big help. I've been all worked up over this all day and you've given me some perspective. I was going to write Daughter an email about this, but now I think I'll just let it go. And, Buffetfan, you've given me a great response if it happens again.
  9. I think the child was upset with the notion that I was not going to get into heaven unless I believed. I'm not going to try to plant doubts in her head at her age. As I wrote above, we have a good family relationship, but the child's father, our son-in-law, is more fundy than our daughter and I would not put it past him to cut or somehow restrict our relationship if he thought I was interfering with their child rearing. One option is to ignore this unless it happens again. But I just can't comprehend why this girl's mother would put her daughter in such a position. As of today, I think what I'll do is just send an email, which gives everyone time to think, and tell my daughter that the kid was upset. I don't think my daughter wants that. I think I'll just tell her what happened and let her find a solution. I think I will say that I was also upset that my world view would be discussed with children. We watched the kids again today and there were no comments or issues.
  10. Thanks, Vigile. What bothers me about this is that it's an 8-year-old kid that's upset. I don't think it's appropriate for a parent to put a kid in this position.
  11. I’d like your input on something. We were watching grandkids today at their house on the other side of town, and I was reading books to one of them. They are fundies, I am not a believer. One granddaughter, who is eight years old, brought over a few short picture books of Bible stories. I read them to her, after which she said, “Mom told me something about you.” I teased around, saying that I’m smart, good looking, etc. and she said, “No, it’s serious. If you don’t believe in God you won’t get into heaven. You need to believe.” I was so caught off guard that I didn’t know what to say except, “Well, don’t worry about that.” I could tell she was getting upset, and it looked like she was holding back tears. A moment later she got down from my lap and went into her bedroom and laid down on her bed. I didn’t follow. After a few minutes she came out and we went on to other activities and nothing more was said. Later at our house, I asked my wife for her reaction to this, and she told me that this wasn’t the first time that one of their young children brought this up. Once the boy, who is nine, asked “Nana” if he could pray that I would become a Christian. She told him that it would not be good to do that right then. I really don’t care if these kids know my world view or not. I don’t discuss it with them. But I do care when one of my grandchildren is so upset that she leaves the room. What I believe or do not believe is not something that should be upsetting young children. Our family relationship has been good and we have always had a tacit agreement that we don’t discuss religion. They do their thing and I do mine. I’m going to let this settle for a couple of days before I contact their mom. I find that time helps to produce more thoughtful statements. But I have to tell her that this has upset one of her children (and me), and ask her why she would even bring up my world view with these kids. My wife suggests that in their family prayers they probably are praying that I’ll find Jesus. I don’t care if they do that. But who put the thoughts into this kid’s head that I’m not going to heaven because I don’t believe, resulting in her becoming upset? Why did they even have to discuss this with children at all? Now a second, and really minor, issue is that my world view is my property. I own it. I choose who to share it with and under what circumstances. I don’t put bumper stickers on my car or wear badges on my hat. And I see no need for it to be brought up unless in the context of a religious discussion in which I choose to participate. It is no different from the relevancy of any other status — gender identity, race, age — to any discussion in which that status has no importance. Anyhow, I know that I can’t control what goes on inside their house. But with the thought that we all have a good relationship, I would be interested in what you might say to the children's mom if you were in my position.
  12. Agreed. Trump will provide chaos and inconsistency. Pence could possibly get things done. Most important: take action. Join a political group and fight against this. Don't say nothing can be done, because if everyone said that, nothing would happen. There ARE folks standing up, and the more who do, the better. The Indivisible folks took a look at how the Tea Party gained strength, and it was from the bottom up. Find a group you can support and devote an hour or two a week to it.
  13. Explain Something Like You're Calvin's Dad.

    I have a wonderful grandson who is a serious chatterbox. In fact, he takes ADHD meds, but he still talks constantly regardless of whether anyone is listening. I have told him that if he uses up all his words, he won't have any left for when he grows up. Unfortunately, it doesn't work.
  14. Explain Something Like You're Calvin's Dad.

    Calvin: Dad, how come old photographs are always black and white? didn't they have color film back then? Dad: Sure they did. In fact, those old photographs are in color. It's just the world was black and white then. Calvin: Really? Dad: Yep. The world didn't turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color for a while, too. Calvin: That's really weird. Dad: Well, truth is stranger than fiction. Calvin: But then why are old paintings in color? If the world was black and white, wouldn't artists have painted it that way? Dad: Not necessarily. A lot of great artists were insane. Calvin: But... but how cold they have painted in color anyway? Wouldn't their paints have been shades of gray back then? Dad: Of course. But they turned colors like everything else did in the '30s. Calvin: So why didn't old black and white photos turn color too? Dad: Because they were color pictures of black and white, remember? Calvin (to Hobbes): The world is a complicated place, Hobbes. Hobbes: Whenever it seems that way, I take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner.
  15. Another sad story

    Having been through the tragic loss of a child, I have at least some understanding of the need for comfort. If that works for these folks, fine. We all deal with it in our own way. There was a book I read recently about what NOT to say to folks who are grieving or under stress or trauma, and religious comments are on the list. Even many religious folks don't want to hear that at the time of their greatest pain. What they most want is to be listened to. And also on the list is, "If there is anything I can do." These folks are in such a state that they don't know what they need. Others should be able to see what's needed and make offers. Simple things are most appreciated. A friend of mine who lived in another city offered his couch any time I needed to get away. I didn't take him up on it but I'll never forget the gesture. What's most offensive is when folks try to put their religion on someone else. At my m.i.l.'s memorial, a priest came up to me twice and tried to get me to come to their church. I politely declined, but was ready to become verbally forceful if she did it a third time.