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[JadedAtheist]

I had some door knockers come a little earlier (a bit late, plus it's Friday but anyways..) and we got into the whole "you were never really a True Christian™" argument. Eventually one of them started saying that because I used "modern perversions" I never came to experience the true word of God (i.e. the King James Bible). After holding my laughter in I preceeded to show them my Bible collection ( I have at least 10 in various English translations not including my original languages and foreign translations) and pull out my first KJV (a Schofield's if anyone used that..) and showed them my notes, markings et cetera. He then got onto the argument that it is a 100% word for word perfect translation. I then went and pulled out my NA27 and began searching for Romans 6:2 and I asked him to read the passage. It starts off with "God forbid" I then asked him to find the word "God" in my NA27 in the same passage. He then tells me that it is a corrupt text and only the TR is the "correct" Greek text. So, to his amazement I pull out my TR (I regret spending so much money on this stuff except for moments like this, I think I posted my bookshelf here ages ago in some post for those curious..) and ask him again. He then tells me he cannot read Greek. I read it for him and tell him the phrase "God forbid" doesn't exist and it's simply a result of dynamic equivalence. He then goes off his nutter telling me that if I don't want to have a "reasonable discussion" then he'll just leave. Him and the other guy (who just sat by silently) left.

I must admit I felt pretty good as usually I don't think so quick on my feet and often stumble upon my words. I work better thinking through things slowly rather than going for tit-for-tat in person.

I don't think they'll be coming back too soon!

[Suzy]

LOL! Fantastic!

[foolish girl]

A moment to treasure. You are "the man!"...(I think! lol)

[BrotherJosh]

Haha, that is awesome! I wish you had a webcam or something set up so we could have watched! Very quick thinking on your part! The guy who sat silent is probably one of the apprentices or whatever who tags along with the experienced evangelizer to learn the ways of the Force Jesus.

[oddbird1963]

A perfectly good delusion blown by a visit to the "original" text! +1 for you!

[Overcame Faith]

Interesting how someone who can't read Greek can be so self-assured that the KJV is a perfect translation. More delusion in action. Good job of dealing with them.

[chosendarkness]

That's really awesome! Congratulations on standing up to them.

It's like letting crazy people out of the mental hospitals to roam the neighborhoods and try to spread insanity. And you stood up for yourself and wouldn't take it lying down. .

[MagickMonkey]

I had some door knockers come a little earlier (a bit late, plus it's Friday but anyways..) and we got into the whole "you were never really a True Christian™" argument. Eventually one of them started saying that because I used "modern perversions" I never came to experience the true word of God (i.e. the King James Bible). After holding my laughter in I preceeded to show them my Bible collection ( I have at least 10 in various English translations not including my original languages and foreign translations) and pull out my first KJV (a Schofield's if anyone used that..) and showed them my notes, markings et cetera. He then got onto the argument that it is a 100% word for word perfect translation. I then went and pulled out my NA27 and began searching for Romans 6:2 and I asked him to read the passage. It starts off with "God forbid" I then asked him to find the word "God" in my NA27 in the same passage. He then tells me that it is a corrupt text and only the TR is the "correct" Greek text. So, to his amazement I pull out my TR (I regret spending so much money on this stuff except for moments like this, I think I posted my bookshelf here ages ago in some post for those curious..) and ask him again. He then tells me he cannot read Greek. I read it for him and tell him the phrase "God forbid" doesn't exist and it's simply a result of dynamic equivalence. He then goes off his nutter telling me that if I don't want to have a "reasonable discussion" then he'll just leave. Him and the other guy (who just sat by silently) left.

I must admit I felt pretty good as usually I don't think so quick on my feet and often stumble upon my words. I work better thinking through things slowly rather than going for tit-for-tat in person.

I don't think they'll be coming back too soon!

Big +1. Good fucking job, dude!!!

[CelticWhisper]

Two words: CURB STOMP.

Here, have an e-drink.

[MultifariousBirdLady]

Awesome.

I wonder... How many of us have at least one bookshelf packed with a bunch of different versions of the bible, study tools, and various other texts for reference? I know this has helped me, too.

BTW, I have a Schofield's, too. It was given to me by my father and contains a lot of hand-written notes from bible studies he attended decades ago. I think it goes back to when he was involved with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship in college (the same group they pushed me into).

Sure wish I knew Greek, though. I had one semester and can stumble through some basics but that just doesn't cut it.

[SoulofSilver]

You, sir, are the fucking man

[JadedAtheist]

Thanks for the replies guys!

I just wish you guys could have seen the look on his face when I started reading the Greek text! Though, I must admit I am no Greek scholar, my Greek is good enough to read the text and do a (really) rough "translation". I've also had some experience with KJO types before but most of the ones I knew would never argue for "word for word" translation. That is just setting yourself up for a big fall.

[JadedAtheist]

Somewhat of an update: I saw the guys outside a little earlier and when they looked up and saw me they WALKED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. Man, I never laughed so hard in my life.

[Blue elephant]

And you didn't chase after them to give them some more tutoring?????

lol!

[HappyChef]

Thou art the great kicker of MILAKA ASS

[par4dcourse]

I like to remind the sheeples that printed on their big book of Jewish faery tales are the 5 words: holy bible king james VERSION. The last word implying that it is only one of many.
Great job. Wife won't let me argue with the nutter-butters but when she's away, I love to play!