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[Thought2Much]

So, while getting ready for Christmas dinner today, my father in-law says in a hushed, conspiratorial tone, "You know they're not allowing a baby Jesus on display."

Against my better judgment, I asked, "Where? On church property?"

"No," he said, "the town.* The town isn't allowing a nativity."

My reply to him was this: "Who cares? If they're not telling you that you can't put up your own nativity on church property or on your own property, what difference does it make?"

His answer to that was something like, "A homina homina homina..."

Listen, dumbass, you're not being persecuted. No one is telling you that you can't talk about Jesus anymore. Stop acting like somebody is boarding up churches in New Jersey with all of the Christians locked inside and then lighting them on fire. If you think this is the start of the Tribulation because some unspecified town won't put up decorations to recognize your personal religious beliefs, then I don't know what to tell you except maybe you should man-up, nancy, and stop crying like a little child who has just had his television privileges revoked for the evening. This isn't the foot in the door for the Beast to come and start slaughtering Christians wholesale. It's a fucking nativity on CITY property. Just put up your own nativity and shut the fuck up, already.

What a whiny bunch of sissies Christians are. Do they think Jesus would be proud of their endless, self-absorbed sniveling about how "persecuted" they are? "Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. My town is persecuting me. They won't put up a nativity. Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo..."


*He also neglected to mention which town was doing this. He tends to get confused about details, such as location, and what the hell actually was being done and what the motivations might be. He's a typical Christian pastor in that way, really, in that he never lets the facts get in the way of a good story about persecution.

[par4dcourse]

One of my duly elected reps in NC has introduced a bill to allow political endorsements from the pulpit. Church and State are becoming one and the same. Scary.

[Kurari]

Great post and oh so true. I get sick of the Christian "I'm so persecuted!" whining. No, you are NOT persecuted no matter how much you would LIKE to be so you can suffer some more for Jesus. -.-

Weirdos.

[Babylonian Dream]

"You can't impose your religion onto the town."

Their response, "O we're being persecuted! We have no rights!"

"You can't impose prayer upon a class. If you want to pray on your own time, so be it."

Their response, "O my god, we're being persecuted! We're being banned from praying in school!"

[Naughtyhamster]

Here they want respect for their beliefs, but don't show respect for other people's beliefs. This reminds me of all the hoopla when that Hindu guy wanted to lead the prayer during some political meeting, and all these xtians started shouting at him to shut up his "Pagan" ritual by shouting out bible verses.

[lunaticheathen]

Christian "persecution":
"Oh noes, they're not letting me slam you in the face with a Bible repeatedly and advertising my religion all over the place, at all times! HALP HALP, I'M BEING REPRESSED! JUST LIKE IN THE BIBLE!"

Never mind that in the bible, Roman persecution involved lots of blood and pain and death. The fact that they can't have bible school in public elementary schools and abstinence-only sex education in every state means THEY'RE SUFFERING FOR JEEBUS. It's all they got, I guess. And all they can handle.

[centauri]

Ah yes, it's that time of year again for the screams of Christian Persecution! to be heard, complaining that their cult stage props aren't in the center of every town hall, city park, or courthouse.
Typical hypocrisy.
If a Muslim, Hindu, Druid, or any other group tried to do this Christians would have Jay Sekulow down on them like a ton of bricks claiming that government property is off limits to the endorsement of an official religion.
The next time you run into one of these poor, poor, persecuted creatures, show them the blasphemy law, which is still on the books in Massachusetts.
http://www.malegisla...er272/Section36

Section 36. Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

Christians that try to play the persecution card are full of crap.

Edited by centauri, 25 December 2011 - 07:55 PM.

[ShackledNoMore]

One of my duly elected reps in NC has introduced a bill to allow political endorsements from the pulpit. Church and State are becoming one and the same. Scary.

Let them go right ahead. Then tax their asses for their fair share just like everyone else has to pay instead of letting us subsidize churches indirectly by paying their share of the taxes.

[Blue elephant]

Thought the word 'contumeliously' was an interesting word. I have never heard it before so I looked it up.

It means:
con·tu·me·ly (knt-m-l, -ty-, -tm-l)
n. pl. con·tu·me·lies
1. Rudeness or contempt arising from arrogance; insolence.
2. An insolent or arrogant remark or act.

[Kaiser01]

i was in church this morning when the preacher started railing about the "persecution" bullshit, he said.

"they can take jesus out of the public squares, in fact let them try but theyll never take jesus out of our hearts." i wanted to fucking gag myself. christans whine and boo-hoo consistantly about somthing that dosnt exist.. their persecution. they want to belive their being persecuted becuase it makes them feel like they have some sort of greater purpose.

[JadedAtheist]

Christians don't want equality, they want dominance. Anything that challenges their dominance is in of itself a declaration of war on Jesus Christ himself as far as they're concerned.

[SilentLoner]

[R. S. Martin]

Folk, here's why Christians HAVE to be persecuted--real or imagined:

• Matt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
• Matt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
• Matt 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
• Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
• Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
• Matt 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
• Matt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
• Matt 24: 9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because of your allegiance to me. (Living Bible)
• Mark 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
• Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
• Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.
• John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
• John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
• John 16: 33 I have said this to you, so that in me you may have peace. In the world you face persecution. But take courage; I have conquered the world!” (NRSV)

Except where noted, all verses are from KJV. As has been observed in this thread, what is conspicuously absent from today's "persecution" of Christians in the United States and Canada is pain and execution; they are not being slain or killed like Jesus said they would.


The thing is, in return for belief in Jesus they are promised blessings, the Kingdom of God (i.e. sovereignty), and in Mark 10:30 material and social prosperity. Only a minority of verses predict sinister stuff like slayings and killings.

But Jesus said they will be persecuted.

Oh, uh, persecution...what is that? Oh yeah, persecution is when people oppose you for your faith. Well, they didn't let us put up the nativity scene in the town square to prove that we are Christians. I guess that is persecution so we must be True Christians™ and Jesus must like us. Praise God!

....Oh yeah, by the way, and we better preach all about this persecution so our children are aware that we really are being persecuted. Otherwise, they might doubt that we are True Christians™...

I can only guess what goes through their minds. One of my preachers used to pray for persecution because he thought that would solve all the problems in the church.

[centauri]

Christians that complain about being persecuted when their stage props aren't displayed publicly are like telemarketers that cold call you at dinner time and feel "persecuted" when you hang up on them.
JadedAtheist nailed it.
They don't want equality, they want to dominate and control.
It's a classic example of wolves pretending to be sheep.
Their public displays and antics have nothing to do with "truth" or "love".
Everything must conform to their version of reality and anything to the contrary is deemed to be against "God".

[Naughtyhamster]

This is the video I'm talking about ( for those who didn't understand what I meant):

[ConureDelSol]

When we point out that there are people OTHER than Christians, they're repressed. When they vehemently deny the existence of other religions and beliefs, stomp out all non-Christian propaganda and then spam their own, they're in God's favor.

Christians are just as much a group of petulant children as their God.

[midniterider]

Is the function of local government to provide nativity scenes or to efficiently administer municipal services to the public? A city has to balance its recognition of religious holidays against the separation of church and state. Our town has a 'holiday tree'. I'm sure some people are angry because it isnt a Christmas tree...but if it was, then other people would be citing the bill of rights..yadda yadda.

I dont care if my city has a Christmas tree, holiday tree or no tree at all. Really, spending tax dollars on decorations is a waste of money. But if I call 911, I better get help. I'd rather the money that someone wants to spend on a nativity scene be spent feeding hungry children or fixing potholes or doing something useful for the citizens. Why must a nativity scene be placed on government property? What's wrong with putting one in front of a church? Why the Christian's emphasis that government entities perform religious duties?

This IS AMERICA. It is FULL of churches. I think I know how to get in contact with Jebus if I feel the need. I can go to one of the numerous churches that dot every other corner of my city. My children don't need official prayer time in school and they dont need to say, "under god" in the pledge of allegience. They can pray right inside their own heads if they wanna and at any time of the day, anywhere at all. If I go to the post office, it's because I need to mail a letter. Not pray to Jebus. If I need to go to City Hall, the Court House, the Health Department, the Police Department, or some other public building it is because I have SECULAR business to do.

Government offices actually perform a tax paid and measurable service. Why should the government give tax exempt organizations like churches the time of day?

LOL.

[Thought2Much]

Is the function of local government to provide nativity scenes or to efficiently administer municipal services to the public? A city has to balance its recognition of religious holidays against the separation of church and state. Our town has a 'holiday tree'. I'm sure some people are angry because it isnt a Christmas tree...but if it was, then other people would be citing the bill of rights..yadda yadda.

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Government offices actually perform a tax paid and measurable service. Why should the government give tax exempt organizations like churches the time of day?

LOL.

Yup. Pretty much this.

[BlueGiant]

But it's not fiscally responsible to spend the money on a Natiity when you're broke, isn't it?

I swear, full of more shit than an outhouse.

[R. S. Martin]

This is the video I'm talking about ( for those who didn't understand what I meant):

Thanks for sharing this. At least some government powers protect some minority philosophies against the vocal zealots.