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[ficino]

The current pope's call to American bishops for an all-out push against gay marriage is not surprising, but it is another attack on all people's human rights and especially on people like me. See link:

http://thenewcivilri...012/03/09/35945

The pope also called for a push against pre-marital sex. I don't think any state in the US will vote serious laws against sex between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman (they might try to recriminalize birth control though, who knows). They will push back against any equality for gays, lesbians, bis and transgendered.

The equivalent issue twenty years ago, i.e. the NY Catholic conference's repeated opposition to a gay rights bill, spurred me to stop attending mass so as to stop supporting my oppressor. Later on the contradictions in Christianity became all the more clear, but that was the last straw as far as my church attendance went.

Sad today.

[Burnedout]

Remember the Inquisition....that is what he wants to return to......

[REBOOT]

Why does he bother... no catholic priest performs same sex anyways lol

If he's pushing his doctrine outside the scope of his religion then that's a declaration of war then.

A Jihad against gay marriage ?

[mymistake]

Why does he bother... no catholic priest performs same sex anyways lol

If you don't count alter boys.

[dyanaprajna0]

I can't say I'm surprised to hear this from one of the most oppressive regimes that's ever graced this planet. They want to take us back to the dark ages.

[HereticZero]

A Jihad against gay marriage ?

In Iran and other parts of the mid east and Indonesia, and Africa, Christians and Muslims murder homosexuals and in many of those countries, such murder is approved of by law and the religions. I won't see the end of Christianity in my lifetime but it will come some day either by force or boredom.

[BrotherJosh]

I am calling for an all out push against people who house and protect pedophiles.

[older]

Reminds me of this

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[BrotherJosh]

But seriously, imagine if Jerry Sandusky started another charity to end homosexual marriage because it's ,"evil". That's the moral precipice the Catholic Church is standing on.

[JoeCoastie]

Maybe they consider homosexuality to be a form of birth control.

Edited by JoeCoastie, 09 March 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[Will02]

Someone needs to tell the church that it's 2012 and they don't run the show anymore. They act like it's still 1012.

Edited by Will02, 09 March 2012 - 11:31 PM.

[TotalWreck]

What a cruel, mean-spirited motherfucker. I'm SO sick of all these fundies harping on and on and on non-stop about how gays are so horrible for society and blah blah blah. Give me a fucking break. People need to mind their own fucking business.

[Suzy]

The churches are losing this battle at least in the enlightened part of the world. The US, I think, is in an ambivalent position regarding this, because yes, there are all those fundies and hate speech by them and all, but at least there are already states where gay people can get married. It's still a long way to full acceptance but you are going forward and the church is losing the battle, slowly but surely. And I believe in the long term it will hit back at them hard and in 100 years or so opposing gay rights in the 21st century will become just as an embarassing episode in church history as their supporting of slavery back in the day.

Here in Hungary however we are going backwards. The conservative government that we have now just modified the constitution and put into it that marriage is between a man and a woman. (So far it wasn't defined in the constitution.) As well as they put lots of references to God and Christianity in the new constitution (when most people here aren't even religious or only nominal Christians). Obviously this is the influence of the Catholic Church who are supporting them. Problem is people are ignorant about homosexuality and it's easy to lead them on by saying things like it's "unnatural" (obviosuly they haven't heard about homosexual behaviour in the animal kingdom). Here gay marriage isn't even discussed. I haven't heard yet anybody discussing it on a serious level in the media. There is an annual Gay Pride but it's usually accompanied by scandals - the conservative leaders of the capital trying to find their ways around laws and somehow ban it or make it hard to carry it out, far-right sympathisers throwing stones on the participants and so on. So basically you have the gay people, who don't really have a voice, not nearly as strong as in the US. You have the opposers, who are pretty loud and aggressive - and passively supported by the conservative government and the churches. And an apathic majority.

The positive is that, when I went to a gay website a couple of weeks ago and I read the coming out stories for most people it turned out well. Parents, friends were supportive, accepting. Though I don't know if this is reperesentative or it's just that people with a positive experience tend to post their stories more. I'd like to hope it's representative.

Edited by Suzy, 10 March 2012 - 03:29 AM.

[Reprobate]

What to you expect. Backing off and rethinking things isn't in the christain playbook. If you are failing the answer is to always double-down and try harder.

[FeelHappy]

He should worry about his soul and not spend his worrying about what adults do with their lives.

[Vigile]

This will backfire on them just like it's backfiring on the GOP. It just further marginalizes them to take positions against something as widely accepted as premarital sex and birth control. This is the sound an institution makes before it dies or evolves.

[JadedAtheist]

I was watching the history channel last night and I watched a documentary about the Vatican. It was all about painting the Catholic Church in a good light which I guess is what propaganda is meant to do. Anyways, what was interesting was that the documentary made the bold claim that the Catholic Church was a champion of science and progress. You gotta love revisionism. 100 years from now, when same sex marriage is legal, and the Catholic Church accepts it and embraces it; it will tell tales of how it too was a champion for gay rights, right from the start.

[ficino]

Here in Hungary however we are going backwards. The conservative government that we have now just modified the constitution and put into it that marriage is between a man and a woman. (So far it wasn't defined in the constitution.) As well as they put lots of references to God and Christianity in the new constitution (when most people here aren't even religious or only nominal Christians). Obviously this is the influence of the Catholic Church who are supporting them.

I have heard about this, Suzy. How horrible. Is it true that the EU is considering whether the anti-human rights slant of the govt should jeopardize Hungary's status in the union?

[LivingLife]

Perhaps they are scared priests will leave and find same sex love if gay marriage becomes the norm.

[REBOOT]

Perhaps they are scared priests will leave and find same sex love if gay marriage becomes the norm.

The vow of chastity which addresses heterosexual behavior gets kicked out the door. The definition of chastity would need to be revised to include same sex love which is currently defined as an abomination by catholics.

This opens the door to speculation that the appeal to priesthood or service to the church was greater for those whose vow of chastity was a non-issue.You'll notice that recent history has confirmed the infestation of that organization by opportunistic pedophiles.

Also, no stretch of the imagination to understand that in a world where homosexuality was illegal, the church proved a valid refuge and cover, especially in small towns. You would be poor but you would be safe if you played your cards right.

The church would lose a big part of its use... a platform for pedophiles and protecting unassumed homosexuals.

Edited by REBOOT, 10 March 2012 - 11:08 AM.