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#1 jblueep

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:12 AM

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Here's are 3 background threads if you missed them and care to look:

1. Should we tell our daughter about our deconversion? (Feb 10): http://www.ex-christ...enage-daughter/

2. We told her and she took it very well (Feb 27): http://www.ex-christ...hter-follow-up/

3. A Facebook discussion involving one of her friends (David, who is a church going atheist) and other member of our former church (March 14): http://www.ex-christ...church-members/

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The story since then...
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Since telling her about our deconversion, we haven't talked with her about it again in any depth. She hasn't brought it up and we had no interest in pushing anything. We were able to joke about things a few times since it was out in the open, but nothing serious.

I've been taking her to clubs as much as possible on Saturday nights to see local bands play (we know a few of them, David's band being one of them). We've had a great time and don't get home until 2 to 4 in the morning Sunday morning. This has pretty much kept her away from church in the last month and she didn't seem concerned about it at all.

She went to the church youth group for the first time in weeks last night. On the way there to drop her off, my wife (2honest) asked her if she had seen my facebook thread (#3 above) with David. She read it on the way to church. After church, I picked her up. David walked out with her. Turns out they have been sitting together at church and talking a lot.

When we left church, I asked her if she had read the facebook thread, and she said yes. I asked her what she thought, and she said "I feel the same way as David". I said "what do you mean? Do you doubt the existence of god?" She said, "I've never really believed it. I was waiting for evidence and it never showed up. What David said made a lot of sense to me". She also said "I stopped listening to Perrianne (the youth leader) a long time ago".

I was a bit surprised since she seemed to have really engaged with church since 2honest and I deconverted and left that church. I asked her about that, and she said her engagement was all about the opportunity to sing (she is on the worship team once a month). She also said she was engaged because Perrianne has made such a big deal out of her song writing ability.

So, I think she might go to church once and awhile, but just to hang out with her friends including David, and to sing once a month. But now that our deconversion is becoming a bit more public, I'm not sure how long they will let her remain on the worship team. We have been encouraging her to branch out (away from church) with her singing and we are going to facilitate that for her.

Either way, she is either out or mostly out of xtianity. Some how, 2honest and I produced a couple of freethinkers. Who would have thought? Posted Image

Again, thanks for all the support you guys have given 2honest and me through our deconversion and this story with our daughter. Posted Image
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:31 AM

I've been taking her to clubs as much as possible on Saturday nights to see local bands play (we know a few of them, David's band being one of them). We've had a great time and don't get home until 2 to 4 in the morning Sunday morning. This has pretty much kept her away from church in the last month and she didn't seem concerned about it at all.

Not sure how old your daughter is. Would she not see this as chaperoning? Going to a church youth may seem like it is a safe place for her to be w/o you around.

Not trying to be offensive but this kinda stood out when reading.

It is good you want to support her love for music outside the church.

I have no experience similar to this and pretty much allowed my daughter to go on dates from 16 onwards with increasing later curfews as she got older. She is still on BF1.0 since 15ish who is 5 years older but is a real nice and trustworthy lad. My daughter still honours the midnite curfew even though she has left school. BF may sleep over some weekends as she deems fit, we don't mind. No illusion that she is still a virgin either.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:35 AM

Whoa, you two are subversives to the max! You are PROUD that your kids have rejected the fundamental basis of this country???

Bwa ha ha!!

I am very glad to hear this and to hear that she seems to have a good friend (BF?) along with two great parents. I hope that she finds the right direction for pursuing music - it sounds as though she will and that she has her head screwed on straight.

Thanks for filling us in!
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:38 AM

Not sure how old your daughter is. Would she not see this as chaperoning? Going to a church youth may seem like it is a safe place for her to be w/o you around.

Not trying to be offensive but this kinda stood out when reading.


No offense taken. She is 17. You can't get into clubs here without a parent if you are under 18 years old.

We give her all the freedom she wants at this point. We trust her and she is always over at friend's houses, etc on the weekends and such.

It's been a bonding experience, but I have no illusions about going to clubs with her after she turns 18 although I will be a little sad I think :(
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:41 AM

I am very glad to hear this and to hear that she seems to have a good friend (BF?) along with two great parents.


Not sure on the BF part. He is 20 and she is 17. It wouldn't surprise me though. I really like David but they are at really different phases of life right now.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

OK I understand. The kids here had what are called sokkies which is a dance and usually no alcohol and generally hosted by a school. Not much in the way of dances at the churches here as that is the wurk of teh debbul... :D
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:56 AM

Some how, 2honest and I produced a couple of freethinkers.

Wow!!!!! This is really good news! Truly amazing! I am happy for you all.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:57 AM

This is wonderful news Jbluejeep and 2honest! I'm glad she wised up before wasting a lot of her life with christian nonsense like a lot of us did.(Myself included.)
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:02 AM

Finally! A happy story!

Congratulations on some great parenting skills. I wish my parents had been as reasonable and understanding as you two.



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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:10 AM

I am so happy for you J and 2H!!
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:57 AM

Awesome news. Y'all are really great parents.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:14 AM

Sounds like everyone's smart in your family!! Here's to family 'peace'!! Congratulations!! You guys are awesome!!

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:39 AM

As a parent, this is the part where I would squee uncontrollably for several minutes with joy.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:43 AM

My suggestion as a parent of a 17 year old myself.....just give her the space to be herself. Let her define her own life. If she asks, do tell, if not, just stay silent on the subject either way and she will figure it out.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:49 AM

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:57 PM

So glad to hear that things are going well jblueep! It's so nice to live without all the lies and doubt.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:26 PM

What a great conclusion to the whole saga. Congrats.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:34 AM

YAY! I can't think of a happier ending to this story!
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:30 PM

...and she announced yesterday that she is quitting the worship band (singing once a month)...even better :D
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:32 PM

Awesome!
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