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[Doug]

I'm new here, and I can promise you that many of your questions/comments
are the direct result of lousy teaching in the churches today.

God has seen to it that a lot of critical information has been provided in His Scriptures,
but obviously it has to be believed to be of any benefit to you.

A lot of basic information is explained in Genesis, for example, but of course, if you don't believe it,
you're just SOL.

For starters ...

God created both angels and humans to have free will.
He DESIRED these free-will creations (not robots) to praise Him and worship Him.
And He DESIRED to have humans on earth freely praise and worship Him.
Angels in heaven and humans on earth ... all praising and worshipping Him.

Okay, is this reasonable, or do we need to discuss this before continuing?

P.S. I used to be an evangelist, so no amount of persecution, etc. will faze me in the least.

Edited by Doug, 06 June 2012 - 09:55 AM.

[Thurisaz]

Standard morontheist arrogance carrying the claim that whoever doesn't believe just has no idea what da babble is all about.

Every single fucking one of us knows ten times more about your babble than you do. For most of us this is exactly the reason why we don't believe anymore.

If your OP is all you can offer, you better run home crying right now. In the end you'll do that anyway, so just save yourself and us the time and the effort.

[LivingLife]

First of all there is no such thing as free will, it is an illusion,

[Legion]

Mods, can we please put this in the Den?

[Legion]

First of all there is no such thing as free will, it is an illusion,

Yeah, man. You just had to post that, right? Had no choice.

LL let me speak with you because you're more interesting than the writer of the OP.

Do you believe organisms are machines? Do you subscribe to that metaphor?

[Doug]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

[Legion]

What's the point of asking you questions Doug?

[LivingLife]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

Oh puleeze get over yourself, no one hates you. We ridicule theists that come here with some apparent "truth™" we supposedly missed. Unless you want your ass handed to you on a plate, suggest you lose the pious fucking attitude. Most of us here are well versed in apologetics, bible knowledge et al. That is why we are ex christians.

[Legion]

I certainly don't hate you Doug. That would require more effort than you're worth.

[Thurisaz]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

Why would we ask questions to someone who can't provide a single good answer?

Seriously, get lost. Your staying here amounts to jumping into a battle of wits totally unarmed.

[Denyoz]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

Ok Doug, here is my question:

How can I have a personal relationship with God when there is no way for me to hear God's answers clearly? There cannot be an effective relationship if there is no effective communication.

[LivingLife]

[centauri]

I'm new here, and I can promise you that many of your questions/comments
are the direct result of lousy teaching in the churches today.

God has seen to it that a lot of critical information has been provided in His Scriptures,
but obviously it has to be believed to be of any benefit to you.

For starters ...

God created both angels and humans to have free will.
He DESIRED these free-will creations (not robots) to praise Him and worship Him.
And He DESIRED to have humans on earth freely praise and worship Him.
Angels in heaven and humans on earth ... all praising and worshipping Him.

Okay, is this reasonable, or do we need to discuss this before continuing?

P.S. I used to be an evangelist, so no amount of persecution, etc. will faze me in the least.

You've started by contradicting scripture regarding so-called free will.
Predestination and Godly manipulation of human behavior is evident in both the Old and New Testaments.

The following are four sample questions that visting preachers and missionaries have steadfastly refused to answer, other than to employ the superficial response that the New Testament overrules and makes void the Old Testament.

These questions were prompted by the Christian claim that the New Testament is in perfect harmony with the Old Testament.

1. Cite the Old Testament passage that says an expected king messiah would make parts of the law irrelevant and no longer binding, as Paul claimed.

2. Cite the Old Testament passage that says the new covenant would eliminate parts of the law and be based on faith in a human sacrifice that dies for your sins.

3. Cite the section of the law that says a human being is a valid sin sacrifice.

4. Cite the Old Testament passage that says introducing a new ritual that involves the drinking of blood would be part of the new covenant.

[Doug]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

Ok Doug, here is my question:
How can I have a personal relationship with God when there is no way for me to hear God's answers clearly? There cannot be an effective relationship if there is no effective communication.

Yes, to have a personal relationship with God, one needs to be born again (from above),
which means God's Spirit comes INSIDE and stays there forever.
Would you like a Scripture verse that explains this?

Edited by Doug, 06 June 2012 - 10:17 AM.

[Legion]

Is this guy serious?

Tell me he's joking.

[Doug]

We can turn this into a therapy session, if you wish.
Tell me what has caused you to be so against God, or Christianity, or me.
And we'll deal with it rationally.
Try me.

[3DollarBill]

Ok, Doug the Troll, I'll bite. Here's a question, or more of a challenge if you will:

Justify Judges 11:29-40
Won't quote the whole thing but it's about ritualistic human sacrifice of children, only this time the protagonist actually kills his daughter unlike the cute little abraham and isaac story where god steps in at the last minute and everything is cool.

Let's see what you got, buddy.

[3DollarBill]

We can turn this into a therapy session, if you wish.
Tell me what has caused you to be so against God, or Christianity, or me.
And we'll deal with it rationally.
Try me.

Also this... you need to understand something. I don't hate god. Hating things that aren't real is a sign of mental illness. I turned against xtianity because I realized it was all made up. It's that simple.

[Legion]

We can turn this into a therapy session, if you wish.
Tell me what has caused you to be so against God, or Christianity, or me.
And we'll deal with it rationally.
Try me.

Um, I'm not against god or Christianity or even you. What's the point?

I don't resist you because there's nothing there to resist.

[GardenerGal]

Hatred against God, His Scriptures, and me ... won't get anyone anywhere.
Instead, why not just ask questions?

Ok Doug, here is my question:
How can I have a personal relationship with God when there is no way for me to hear God's answers clearly? There cannot be an effective relationship if there is no effective communication.

Yes, to have a personal relationship with God, one needs to be born again (from above),
which means God's Spirit comes INSIDE and stays there forever.
Would you like a Scripture verse that explains this?

It's so nice that you have the answers. I love to know answers. Having the answers makes me happy.
What do you and God talk about? The Holy Spirit stays 4EvA?! I was "born again" and now I am here. Do I have the Holy Spirit still in me and don't know it?
No thank you on the scripture verse.