PanenDeism is a modernized version of Deism. I find this classification seems to fit my beliefs pretty well. I thought I would use this thread to post things relating to Panendeism and converse with you about the subject.
Panendeism
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:29 PM
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:30 PM
I'll start with this quote off of an online newspaper today:
Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist
He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.
Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist
He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.
Edited by sjessen, 26 June 2012 - 02:53 PM.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 02:38 PM
Wikipedia's definition of PanenDeism:
Panendeism combines deism with panentheism, the belief that the universe is part of God, but not all of God. A component of panendeism is "experiential metaphysics" – the idea that a mystical component exists within the framework of panendeism, allowing the seeker to experience a relationship to Deity through meditation, prayer or some other type of communion.[67] This is a major departure from classical deism.
I haven't found one good definition of PanenDeism yet, but am piecing bits together from various sources so please bear with me!
From www.panendeism.webs.com
Deism is a category of belief in god (Spirit, Deity, ground of being, Dao, etc...) based on reason, experience, and the observation of nature.
Deism vs. Atheism
Deism differs from Atheism in that Atheism is a Rational based category of belief that asserts that God doesn't exist (Strong Atheism) or simply a lack of belief in any god, gods, or any higher power, etc... (Weak Atheism). Deism is a Rational based category of belief in god.
Deism vs. Theism
Deism differs from Theism in that Theism is a traditional and scriptural based category of belief in God, where Deism is a rational based category of belief in god.
Panendeism Defined
Panendeism is a sub-category of Deism. It is based on the speculation that the universe is a part of god, but not all of god and literally means "all in god". Some panendeists have established numerous additional beliefs, some of which are quite detailed, and use more specialized terminology to describe their beliefs. However, any deist who believes that the universe is a part (but not the whole) of god, can be considered a panendeist.
Panendeism combines deism with panentheism, the belief that the universe is part of God, but not all of God. A component of panendeism is "experiential metaphysics" – the idea that a mystical component exists within the framework of panendeism, allowing the seeker to experience a relationship to Deity through meditation, prayer or some other type of communion.[67] This is a major departure from classical deism.
I haven't found one good definition of PanenDeism yet, but am piecing bits together from various sources so please bear with me!
From www.panendeism.webs.com
Deism is a category of belief in god (Spirit, Deity, ground of being, Dao, etc...) based on reason, experience, and the observation of nature.
Deism vs. Atheism
Deism differs from Atheism in that Atheism is a Rational based category of belief that asserts that God doesn't exist (Strong Atheism) or simply a lack of belief in any god, gods, or any higher power, etc... (Weak Atheism). Deism is a Rational based category of belief in god.
Deism vs. Theism
Deism differs from Theism in that Theism is a traditional and scriptural based category of belief in God, where Deism is a rational based category of belief in god.
Panendeism Defined
Panendeism is a sub-category of Deism. It is based on the speculation that the universe is a part of god, but not all of god and literally means "all in god". Some panendeists have established numerous additional beliefs, some of which are quite detailed, and use more specialized terminology to describe their beliefs. However, any deist who believes that the universe is a part (but not the whole) of god, can be considered a panendeist.
Edited by sjessen, 26 June 2012 - 02:58 PM.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:03 PM
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:12 PM
I'm an IDGAFist.
Good to know. Start your own thread then...
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:18 PM
Lol! It sounds interesting tho.
Now that there is most likely a multiverse, this could be more true than ever, in a sense.
Now that there is most likely a multiverse, this could be more true than ever, in a sense.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:20 PM
I've decided to discontinue this thread. I would delete it if I could. I didn't realize this was a place where people were made fun of for their thoughts and beliefs. I thought this Discussion Group was for people to discuss their spirituality. Apparently I was wrong. I guess this topic belongs on the PanenDesim site.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:29 PM
Sorry about this, sjessen. I wish we were more free to express our different views on spirituality/other religions without a lot of criticism, but the nature of this site doesn't really lend itself to that.
I think most people reason that if Christianity is crap, then all other religions are also. A very narrow view.
I think most people reason that if Christianity is crap, then all other religions are also. A very narrow view.
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Isn't there a old school phrase called, don't shit in my pond. Let others have there fun. Their lives don't effect you so let them have there way.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:35 PM
I think your misinterpreting things here.
Nobody, far as I can tell, is poking fun at you or this belief system. Don't ask why I inserted my comment. Sometimes I just throw out what's on my mind. All I meant was I'm beyond caring, at least right now, about what is "true". Mainly because I don't think it's possible to know what "ism" is correct. It was a pointless, off topic post. Sorry if you felt it was making fun.
Ouro was just pointing out that Dawkins is an open atheist. He doesn't believe in "god" bit was at least honest enough to say he couldn't completely rule it out. It had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Again, apologies for the misunderstanding.
Nobody, far as I can tell, is poking fun at you or this belief system. Don't ask why I inserted my comment. Sometimes I just throw out what's on my mind. All I meant was I'm beyond caring, at least right now, about what is "true". Mainly because I don't think it's possible to know what "ism" is correct. It was a pointless, off topic post. Sorry if you felt it was making fun.
Ouro was just pointing out that Dawkins is an open atheist. He doesn't believe in "god" bit was at least honest enough to say he couldn't completely rule it out. It had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Again, apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:44 PM
I've decided to discontinue this thread. I would delete it if I could. I didn't realize this was a place where people were made fun of for their thoughts and beliefs. I thought this Discussion Group was for people to discuss their spirituality. Apparently I was wrong. I guess this topic belongs on the PanenDesim site.
I get where you are coming from. I lean towards deism myself. although I don't think any label can really describe my views entirely.
The best I can put it is I feel there had to be some originator to set things in motion. but I'm not convinced in a personal god like theists believe in. Also I think some of the "everything is part of "god" " Idea is somewhat interesting.
Let's say for example that "god" exploded in the big bang and now the whole known universe/multiverse is now a part of whatever "god" is made up of. I see it as a complex system that operates off it's own feedback. on a very large scale as well as on a smaller scale as it relates to this planet and it's biosphere. All life effects other life in either negative or positive ways and we often affect the world in many ways we are not aware of. it's like many pebbles being tossed into a pond that create ripples that overlap and interact with each other.
one of my room mates (who admittedly was crazy beyond belief) used to say something along the lines of "we are all parts of god experiencing himself" I guess to some degree that is true. whether you are looking at it form a pure physics based perspective or a more spiritual one.
In either case I hope my impact on the overall system turns out to be a good one over all. (at least as far as other living things that my choices and other factors end up impacting anyway)
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:51 PM
Sorry. I removed my post. Carry on.
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And behold, one came who in the form of a demon holding a beer, and he spake with a tongue of red. And when he spake, he said bye bye, and all listened, and watched as he smote the babbling troll with his +5 banhammer of fedupishness. And there was much rejoicing.
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And behold, one came who in the form of a demon holding a beer, and he spake with a tongue of red. And when he spake, he said bye bye, and all listened, and watched as he smote the babbling troll with his +5 banhammer of fedupishness. And there was much rejoicing.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:58 PM
Don't let the Atheist Club here piss on you. This is the Spirituality section. Report maliciousness immediately.
I'm an ex-christian Polytheist. I don't let them chase ME away. Don't let them chase you off. And I'm a fuck of a lot more "silly" than you, in their eyes.
I'm an ex-christian Polytheist. I don't let them chase ME away. Don't let them chase you off. And I'm a fuck of a lot more "silly" than you, in their eyes.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:07 PM
Maliaciousness? Seriously?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:11 PM
Maliaciousness? Seriously?
I'm not saying it happened in this particular thread, but I have seen it here on occasion and Lunaticheathen has too.
Yes, upon reflection I would say there was no maliciousness here. You should certainly report any harsh criticism to the moderators.
For those of us who have adopted another religion, especially if it was adopted after a long period of searching and reflection, goes very deep and it is very important to us.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:21 PM
I think your misinterpreting things here.
Nobody, far as I can tell, is poking fun at you or this belief system. Don't ask why I inserted my comment. Sometimes I just throw out what's on my mind. All I meant was I'm beyond caring, at least right now, about what is "true". Mainly because I don't think it's possible to know what "ism" is correct. It was a pointless, off topic post. Sorry if you felt it was making fun.
Ouro was just pointing out that Dawkins is an open atheist. He doesn't believe in "god" bit was at least honest enough to say he couldn't completely rule it out. It had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Again, apologies for the misunderstanding.
Oh my, McDaddy, I did totally misunderstand what you and Ouroborus were saying. Now I understand. Thanks for explaining. All is well.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:32 PM
Don't let the Atheist Club here piss on you. This is the Spirituality section. Report maliciousness immediately.
I'm an ex-christian Polytheist. I don't let them chase ME away. Don't let them chase you off. And I'm a fuck of a lot more "silly" than you, in their eyes.
Thanks, Lunaticheathen! Your comments made me feel much better!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:38 PM
Sorry. I removed my post. Carry on.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:41 PM
Good! That's the problem with text though. Can't convey certain things like body language, etc. I'm a smart ass, I play around too much probably. There's certain personality types that dont like it. (*cough*Legion*cough)
But I meant nothing besides, well apparently, nothing.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:45 PM
For those of us who have adopted another religion, especially if it was adopted after a long period of searching and reflection, goes very deep and it is very important to us.
This is so true for me, too. Ever since I left Christianity I have been looking and looking to understand what I think and feel and believe. I feel like most my life I have been on a spiritual quest. It is very important to me and it helps me personally to be able to find a place to fit in.
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