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LivingLife    1,470

I am sure they will talk this away as an attack by satan on their beloved ministry... *barf*

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Burnedout    3,659

Ahhhh....I just remember the days of Jim and Tammy Baker.........happydance.gif

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FeelHappy    178

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

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MrsRoper    212

I am sure they will talk this away as an attack by satan on their beloved ministry... *barf*

 

You got that right!

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MrsRoper    212

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

Reminds me, I need to block that channel. Don't want my kids accidentally coming across it. LOL

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LivingLife    1,470

I cancelled my satellite subs. they have various bouquets and ALL of them include TBN. Asked them for a personalised bouquet of about 9 channels I actually watched and they said no. Really do not miss it.

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MrsRoper    212

I cancelled my satellite subs. they have various bouquets and ALL of them include TBN. Asked them for a personalised bouquet of about 9 channels I actually watched and they said no. Really do not miss it.

 

That's because you're not an addict. I still watch too much tv.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

I believe a lot of it is fraud not protected by speech and religious protection. No one yet has the balls to go after it though.

 

People who give them money are like my best friend's poor Mexican grandmother who couldn't leave the house due to health issues and who would send part of her SS check to TBN because they appealed to her emotional needs. The nation's attorney generals are failing at their duty to protect helpless people like this sweet old lady.

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MrsRoper    212

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

I believe a lot of it is fraud not protected by speech and religious protection. No one yet has the balls to go after it though.

 

People who give them money are like my best friend's poor Mexican grandmother who couldn't leave the house due to health issues and who would send part of her SS check to TBN because they appealed to her emotional needs. The nation's attorney generals are failing at their duty to protect helpless people like this sweet old lady.

 

There is a good watch list out their that ranks these ministries, but I bet reading it still wouldn't stop some people.

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Adam5    242

That's because you're not an addict. I still watch too much tv.

 

Me too. Its a difficult habit to break!!!

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MrsRoper    212

That's because you're not an addict. I still watch too much tv.

 

Me too. Its a difficult habit to break!!!

 

Especially now that there are so many well written shows with long term character development. TV is better than most movies Hollywood puts out.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

I believe a lot of it is fraud not protected by speech and religious protection. No one yet has the balls to go after it though.

 

People who give them money are like my best friend's poor Mexican grandmother who couldn't leave the house due to health issues and who would send part of her SS check to TBN because they appealed to her emotional needs. The nation's attorney generals are failing at their duty to protect helpless people like this sweet old lady.

 

There is a good watch list out their that ranks these ministries, but I bet reading it still wouldn't stop some people.

 

Most who are vulnerable wouldn't even know the list exists and if they did, they would be convinced it's a trick of Satan.

 

I believe it's legal fraud when you tell these people they will be rewarded if they give.

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MrsRoper    212

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

I believe a lot of it is fraud not protected by speech and religious protection. No one yet has the balls to go after it though.

 

People who give them money are like my best friend's poor Mexican grandmother who couldn't leave the house due to health issues and who would send part of her SS check to TBN because they appealed to her emotional needs. The nation's attorney generals are failing at their duty to protect helpless people like this sweet old lady.

 

There is a good watch list out their that ranks these ministries, but I bet reading it still wouldn't stop some people.

 

Most who are vulnerable wouldn't even know the list exists and if they did, they would be convinced it's a trick of Satan.

 

I believe it's legal fraud when you tell these people they will be rewarded if they give.

 

My Mom is afraid she won't be able to afford her lifestyle if she retires. She's been tithing net for almost 20 years, it's part of her religious addiction. I think her pastor is completely immoral. He tells them they'll all be financially blessed for giving to the church. They built a ridiculous 40,000 sq building and he lives like a king. Oh, and you can't be a "member" if you don't tithe.

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LivingLife    1,470

Question.

 

Do the states really give you a tax write off for tithes? If so, the charity of the churches really should be under scrutiny. I have no effing clue what TBN does with its money but that lavish ranch hardly constitutes a charity unless the Couch's are the beneficiaries.

 

We get a write off for charity but it is a fixed amount and small, churches do not qualify.

 

Businesses however can wangle it as it merely comes down to a donation.

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MrsRoper    212

Question.

 

Do the states really give you a tax write off for tithes? If so, the charity of the churches really should be under scrutiny. I have no effing clue what TBN does with its money but that lavish ranch hardly constitutes a charity unless the Couch's are the beneficiaries.

 

We get a write off for charity but it is a fixed amount and small, churches do not qualify.

 

Businesses however can wangle it as it merely comes down to a donation.

 

Yes, you can write off church donations on your taxes. And churches pay zero taxes on donations or property. It's scandalous.

 

FYI the Crouches are very adept at working the system. They make welfare fraud look like child's play. They purchase houses all over the country and label them "pastorates.". They do it for family & staff. They are mafiaesque criminals for Jeebus.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

If so, the charity of the churches really should be under scrutiny.

 

The separation clause gives them a lot of free reign here. There is no church regulating organization and creating one would likely be unconstitutional. I personally would be opposed to such an animal.

 

However, they should still be liable for tort claims and even criminal claims, but these for whatever reason are few and far between.

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ConureDelSol    447

Question.

 

Do the states really give you a tax write off for tithes? If so, the charity of the churches really should be under scrutiny. I have no effing clue what TBN does with its money but that lavish ranch hardly constitutes a charity unless the Couch's are the beneficiaries.

 

We get a write off for charity but it is a fixed amount and small, churches do not qualify.

 

Businesses however can wangle it as it merely comes down to a donation.

 

We don't get tax write-offs for tithes, but we do for anything we donate to them. My dad tends to spend his own damn money on buying things for the church and then makes sure to put it in as a write-off.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

Question.

 

Do the states really give you a tax write off for tithes? If so, the charity of the churches really should be under scrutiny. I have no effing clue what TBN does with its money but that lavish ranch hardly constitutes a charity unless the Couch's are the beneficiaries.

 

We get a write off for charity but it is a fixed amount and small, churches do not qualify.

 

Businesses however can wangle it as it merely comes down to a donation.

 

We don't get tax write-offs for tithes, but we do for anything we donate to them. My dad tends to spend his own damn money on buying things for the church and then makes sure to put it in as a write-off.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2007-02-13-aicpa-question3-scutellaro_x.htm

 

Q: Can I claim or itemize tithing contributions to my church? If so, where do you put them on the form?

Answer by AICPA member Joseph Scutellaro: You can claim tithing contributions to your church as an itemized deduction on IRS form 1040 schedule A. However, to get any tax benefit, those contributions plus all other itemized deductions must exceed the standard deduction the IRS gives everyone. The standard deduction for 2006 generally ranges from $5,150 for single taxpayers and those who are married but filing separately to $10,300 for taxpayers who are married and filing jointly. The standard deduction is more if you are 65 or older, blind, or a single head of household.

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LivingLife    1,470

Thanks for the replies. Seems until you do away with this write off, you are pretty much stuck with the tards. We never had anything like that hence our biggest megachurch is no bigger than say Rod Parsley's one and we only have two, one in Johannesburg and one in Pretoria. Both linked to the USA.

 

In retrospect, the tithe is really not as such if you can write it off or part thereof.

 

Still it is a brilliant scam.

 

What about all those hearings into the likes of Benny Hinn and few others?

 

Would jesus fly coach or have his own plane?

 

Seems like the evangelicals simply took a page out of the RCC playbook.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

I doubt the tax write off has much to do with it. Most who send money probably just claim the standard deduction to begin with and can't use the write off. People give to the church because they are suckered into doing so, not because they get a tax deduction.

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LivingLife    1,470

I vaguely remember one TBN church pastor using this tax aspect to encourage folk to give and pretty much summarised as the gubment gonna take it anyway, might as well give it to us.

 

In my wooish days I tithed direct out of the business and the book keeper was able to field it as a donation. I ended up paying very little tax b/c of this. I did not expect it to be written off but I did not complain.

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★ Vigile ★    7,167

IRS Standard deduction table:

 

 

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=255120,00.html

 

Single $5,800

Married Filing Jointly $11,600

Head of Household $8,500

Married Filing Separately $5,800

Qualifying Widow(er) $11,600

 

That means you would have to have at least this many write offs, including tithes in order to deduct your tithes. If you have less, you just take the standard deduction. Many people can deduct more, but your typical TBN watcher probably isn't among this group that can claim more than standard. Just my guess based on observation.

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FeelHappy    178

Sounds like the Paul Crouch gay scandal from a few years ago. Why anyone would still give them money I don't understand (well actually I do).

 

I believe a lot of it is fraud not protected by speech and religious protection. No one yet has the balls to go after it though.

 

People who give them money are like my best friend's poor Mexican grandmother who couldn't leave the house due to health issues and who would send part of her SS check to TBN because they appealed to her emotional needs. The nation's attorney generals are failing at their duty to protect helpless people like this sweet old lady.

 

I know too much about this, my wheelchair bound grandparents having no way to work and living off of social security always found a way to give and gave to TBN always believing that god would one day reward them, its utter crap, and I'm so glad to be out of that cult. I abhor the prosperity gospel.

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mwc    2,043

Would jesus fly coach or have his own plane?

Jesus flew solo without a plane.

 

mwc

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