Read more of the truth saves site combined with other issues:
A contradiction with vegetarians (Daniel) and Paul dissing vegetarians.
Lost an aunt in 97. Went to church, but not super religious, however a very very good caring person,. I cannt accept she would be in torment if she did not accept christ as some churches profess.
Back to the truth saves egypt being a wasteland where no one dwells and damascus being destroyed
Back to another thread: stupid shit fundys say
If constantine would have lost in 312AD, christianity would not have grabbed hold.
Starting To Have Major Doubts
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, Jun 28 2012 08:03 AM
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:11 AM
It's always bittersweet for me to hear of an xian losing faith bc I know how hard it is to let go. And all the emotions that come with it.
It's not fun. Too bad it just didn't exist so we wouldn't have to go through this.
Good luck.
It's not fun. Too bad it just didn't exist so we wouldn't have to go through this.
Good luck.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:21 AM
It's too late for you now Xian...I am so sorry....you will notice and question everything from here on in about the church, bible text and the christian god.......
Stay with us....we'll help you........
Stay with us....we'll help you........
93% of the mass in our body is stardust. Just think.....long ago someone may have wished upon a star that you are made of.
God may not work.....but you could try wishing upon a star!
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:37 AM
Not a disbeliever, but a serious questioner, mainly about christianity. have to get to work, be on this evening or tomorrow morning.
Also, I have realized for the past few yrs that the catholic / protestant fued was nothing but politics which started centuries ago with england vs spain. Also, the horrid past of the church: inquisition, witch burnings, ministers in the 1700s / early 1800s saying slaves should not be preached to etc
Also, I have realized for the past few yrs that the catholic / protestant fued was nothing but politics which started centuries ago with england vs spain. Also, the horrid past of the church: inquisition, witch burnings, ministers in the 1700s / early 1800s saying slaves should not be preached to etc
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:40 AM
Embrace your doubts, antix. They will treat you better than your faith. This book might help:
http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/1613750838
http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/1613750838
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:17 AM
mmmmmmm
ooooooh hoo
a sacred moment
as we see Anti
come to us and
show his ante
oh hmmmmmm
He says to us
he has doubt
not knowing it is
wisdom's sprout
oh hooooooooo
We are honored
We are bound
Let Ante's wisdom
be abound
Living under the rise of tyranny.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:53 AM
Not a disbeliever, but a serious questioner, mainly about christianity.
There are stacks of knowledgeable people here, who have experienced Christianity in its different forms, and have lived to tell the tale.
I got to a point where I had to be true to myself, this wasnt easy as I had invested so much emotionally in a belief system, a cherry picked Christianity I had created. I also lost the social side of being in a choir, and lost touch with a number of Christian friends.
But it is liberating to be a free thinker and take up other interests on Sunday outside of church. I look back and wonder now why I believed in what I did for so long.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:11 AM
We will be there for you in your walk away.
When you are in religion your eyes to the universe and its wonder are clouded. Even if you think you can appreciate the universe as a theist, you really cant understand how amazing it truly is. Deconverting is hard, very hard and it wont get easier until you are able to move on. If you lose your faith, YOU MUST NOT hold a grudge. When you loose your faith you will become angry, as everyone does but you must not harver hate or it will kill you inside.
When you are in religion your eyes to the universe and its wonder are clouded. Even if you think you can appreciate the universe as a theist, you really cant understand how amazing it truly is. Deconverting is hard, very hard and it wont get easier until you are able to move on. If you lose your faith, YOU MUST NOT hold a grudge. When you loose your faith you will become angry, as everyone does but you must not harver hate or it will kill you inside.
"We exist for the universe to understand itself..."- Carl Sagan
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:13 AM
Here is another thought to consider. God says in the ten commandments "shall not kill." So obviously he is saying that is his rules on how things should be, and what is right and wrong. He is also supposedly omniscient, or just of perfect intelligence. He is also supposedly omni benevolent. And yet, he allows situations to develop, to where he has to treat job like shit and slaughter almost a entire civilization and entire cities. That says one thing to me, either this god is evil, or the people who wrote the bible had a real twisted sense of what is considered benevolence.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:17 AM
Not a disbeliever, but a serious questioner, mainly about christianity. have to get to work, be on this evening or tomorrow morning.
Also, I have realized for the past few yrs that the catholic / protestant fued was nothing but politics which started centuries ago with england vs spain. Also, the horrid past of the church: inquisition, witch burnings, ministers in the 1700s / early 1800s saying slaves should not be preached to etc
It's always been about politics, economics and sociology. Everything people want to attribute to a 'god-thing' is better explained in those terms. politics = people wanting power, economics = people wanting money, sociology = people wanting to gain status (or to belong). They're all related and no god is needed.
I wish you luck as you sort our all your questions. I hope you find peace once the dust settles.
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QUOTE Our lives improve only when we take chances - and the first and most difficult risk we can take is to be honest with ourselves .
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:19 AM
We will be there for you in your walk away.
When you are in religion your eyes to the universe and its wonder are clouded. Even if you think you can appreciate the universe as a theist, you really cant understand how amazing it truly is. Deconverting is hard, very hard and it wont get easier until you are able to move on. If you lose your faith, YOU MUST NOT hold a grudge. When you loose your faith you will become angry, as everyone does but you must not harver hate or it will kill you inside.
Yeah. In kinda in that anger phase right now. I guess I should be over it all but it's tough. I find myself , at least internally if not all the time externally, joking and making fun of xians and xianity. I'm not like that an I dont want to do it and I feel bad about it- but it does release some pent up steam. Deconversion sucks. Bit it's for the greater good I think.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:31 AM
We will be there for you in your walk away.
When you are in religion your eyes to the universe and its wonder are clouded. Even if you think you can appreciate the universe as a theist, you really cant understand how amazing it truly is. Deconverting is hard, very hard and it wont get easier until you are able to move on. If you lose your faith, YOU MUST NOT hold a grudge. When you loose your faith you will become angry, as everyone does but you must not harver hate or it will kill you inside.
Yeah. In kinda in that anger phase right now. I guess I should be over it all but it's tough. I find myself , at least internally if not all the time externally, joking and making fun of xians and xianity. I'm not like that an I dont want to do it and I feel bad about it- but it does release some pent up steam. Deconversion sucks. Bit it's for the greater good I think.
The thing that helped me get over my anger of christianity was actually to consult a theologian on the matter.
"We exist for the universe to understand itself..."- Carl Sagan
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:36 AM
Not a disbeliever, but a serious questioner, mainly about christianity. have to get to work, be on this evening or tomorrow morning.
Also, I have realized for the past few yrs that the catholic / protestant fued was nothing but politics which started centuries ago with england vs spain. Also, the horrid past of the church: inquisition, witch burnings, ministers in the 1700s / early 1800s saying slaves should not be preached to etc
The only reason that the reformation survived was because the German kings defended Martin Luther because the demise of the catholic church would give more power to them. Also Martin Luther was an extreme anti Semite and wrote a book on the subject, most Christians today would roll over and die if they knew that the christian church was anti jewish.
For calvanism, John Calvin was a tyrant who killed one of the worlds best scientist and terrorized his people he ruled over.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:38 AM
No need to re-register, just PM a mod and ask them to change your screen name and remove the AC badge. You may need to change the any gods answer to say Questioning or something similar.Adam5 I will reregister tomorrow morning, margee, i have tons of questions.
FWIW you already came on here with serious doubts as we all did.
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The catholic church claimed that the jewish people were guilty of deicide for several hundred years. And that was official policy.
Not a disbeliever, but a serious questioner, mainly about christianity. have to get to work, be on this evening or tomorrow morning.
Also, I have realized for the past few yrs that the catholic / protestant fued was nothing but politics which started centuries ago with england vs spain. Also, the horrid past of the church: inquisition, witch burnings, ministers in the 1700s / early 1800s saying slaves should not be preached to etc
The only reason that the reformation survived was because the German kings defended Martin Luther because the demise of the catholic church would give more power to them. Also Martin Luther was an extreme anti Semite and wrote a book on the subject, most Christians today would roll over and die if they knew that the christian church was anti jewish.
For calvanism, John Calvin was a tyrant who killed one of the worlds best scientist and terrorized his people he ruled over.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:29 PM
Yeah. In kinda in that anger phase right now. I guess I should be over it all but it's tough. I find myself , at least internally if not all the time externally, joking and making fun of xians and xianity. I'm not like that an I dont want to do it and I feel bad about it- but it does release some pent up steam. Deconversion sucks. Bit it's for the greater good I think.
I'm still wading through that too. I'm trying to get back to some empathy and remember how sincerely I believed everything that they still do. But it's tough. You feel deceived and used and you want to lash out...
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:34 PM
Yeah. In kinda in that anger phase right now. I guess I should be over it all but it's tough. I find myself , at least internally if not all the time externally, joking and making fun of xians and xianity. I'm not like that an I dont want to do it and I feel bad about it- but it does release some pent up steam. Deconversion sucks. Bit it's for the greater good I think.
Anger is supposed to be the last stage tho right? Before acceptance? I hope so. I don't get depressed about "not having god" but I do over other stuff sometimes.
I really think I was "not a true xian" in a lot of ways. The dissonance always kept me from going "all in".
I'm still wading through that too. I'm trying to get back to some empathy and remember how sincerely I believed everything that they still do. But it's tough. You feel deceived and used and you want to lash out...
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
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Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:50 PM
Antix, you came here having already noted some issues. I tried for years to hold onto my faith, but every answer just brought more questions. Finally, I had enough evidence to realise the truth: the god of the bible does not exist. The questions piled up like a freight train running out of control.
Take your time, and do your reading and your research. This is your personal journey. On youtube, Evid3nc3 has a series of short videos that detail his deconversion, titled Why I am No Longer A Christian. You might want to look into that- he does a very good job of explaining his reasons for leaving christianity.
Hugs, Pudd
Take your time, and do your reading and your research. This is your personal journey. On youtube, Evid3nc3 has a series of short videos that detail his deconversion, titled Why I am No Longer A Christian. You might want to look into that- he does a very good job of explaining his reasons for leaving christianity.
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