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Posted 01 July 2012 - 01:41 PM

Hi All, read a theory yesterday, that Jesus, assuming some of recorded events were true, had a mental breakdown? Your thoughts?

Realise that the accounts are highly suspect and contradictory. But with various events which could support this idea.

Calling a gentile woman a dog. Indicating racism or xenophobia.

His disciples calling him mad. Later gospels edited this out :)

Preaching peace and turn the other cheek one minute, then ranting hate about pharisees the next.

Begging for his life to be spared in Gethsemene. The events in his life were stressful perhaps triggering manic depression?

End time speeches about coming messiah. Indicating a mentally unhinged personality?

I think there may be something in this. Your view? Thanks

Edited by Adam5, 01 July 2012 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

And upon turning thirty years old, Jesus suffered the onset of acute paranoid schizophrenia, which is when he started hearing the voices of God and Satan in his head, and started to believe that he was God himself.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 01:53 PM

Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:06 PM

McD, there is no need to be rude. You will know from my posts that i also think christianity is a fraud.

But i like sometimes to speculate on what i think is a plausible character, i am not in the "all fairy tales" camp
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:09 PM

And upon turning thirty years old, Jesus suffered the onset of acute paranoid schizophrenia, which is when he started hearing the voices of God and Satan in his head, and started to believe that he was God himself.


Quite possible. There were plenty of deranged prophets in history, and deranged fundies today :D
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:12 PM

McD, there is no need to be rude. You will know from my posts that i also think christianity is a fraud.

But i like sometimes to speculate on what i think is a plausible character, i am not in the "all fairy tales" camp


Ugh! I forgot the mandatory winkie face!

Sorry bro, wasn't being rude, was just playing around.

My bad, sorry for the confusion.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:23 PM

Hi McD, no probs. I perhaps should have prefaced my OP by saying that i think the gospels are in no way a historical record. I guess we all agree on that.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

Don't say he had Manic Depression, you'll make me look bad! ;)

I've got bipolar. I don't think I'm a messiah. I'd say he's more like a Narcissist with Borderline personality traits.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:52 PM

It's my fault. Sometimes I do get a shade militaristic on here with my mythicism.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

But SURELY a mad-man couldn't come up with such awesome original ideas like love and the golden rule and turn the other cheek and go the extra mile!! And think about the sterling, wonderful god-fearing people that have been followers over the centuries! Surely a madman could NEVER found such a miraculous religion!!

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:17 PM

Jesus totally had a mental breakdown, a personality disorder, and was addicted to religion.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.

You don't know if he existed? If he didn't then neithor did Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Socrates, et. al. Reason? More ancient extent writings confirming the historicity of Jesus than the others I just cited. And before you go into a free thinking hissy fit, please take it up with academically minded scholars who are experts in ancient history. People like Bart Ehrmann, professor of ancient studies, etc..

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:34 PM


Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.

You don't know if he existed? If he didn't then neithor did Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Socrates, et. al. Reason? More ancient extent writings confirming the historicity of Jesus than the others I just cited. And before you go into a free thinking hissy fit, please take it up with academically minded scholars who are experts in ancient history. People like Bart Ehrmann, professor of ancient studies, etc..


Raoul while I agree with you that some sort of Jesus actually existed, I don't think the historical record proves anything. Most of the literature was religious and written by people who were not eyewitnesses. Josephus' account was more likely an interpolation done by early Christian fathers. Plus, even if he wrote it, he wasn't a historian in the sense that we consider one today and he included many myths in his writings as well. Most of the "historical" record is hearsay that's why the mythicists are building such a compelling case. Bart Ehrmann is also getting huge criticism for that latest book from some historians.

Valk posted a YouTube interview with Richard Price recently and he covered most of this, I'll try and find it.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:38 PM


Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.

You don't know if he existed? If he didn't then neithor did Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Socrates, et. al. Reason? More ancient extent writings confirming the historicity of Jesus than the others I just cited. And before you go into a free thinking hissy fit, please take it up with academically minded scholars who are experts in ancient history. People like Bart Ehrmann, professor of ancient studies, etc..


I've read almost all of Ehrman's books there lil buddy.

And I'm certainly aware I'm in the minority opinion.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:40 PM



Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.

You don't know if he existed? If he didn't then neithor did Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Socrates, et. al. Reason? More ancient extent writings confirming the historicity of Jesus than the others I just cited. And before you go into a free thinking hissy fit, please take it up with academically minded scholars who are experts in ancient history. People like Bart Ehrmann, professor of ancient studies, etc..


Raoul while I agree with you that some sort of Jesus actually existed, I don't think the historical record proves anything. Most of the literature was religious and written by people who were not eyewitnesses. Josephus' account was more likely an interpolation done by early Christian fathers. Plus, even if he wrote it, he wasn't a historian in the sense that we consider one today and he included many myths in his writings as well. Most of the "historical" record is hearsay that's why the mythicists are building such a compelling case. Bart Ehrmann is also getting huge criticism for that latest book from some historians.

Valk posted a YouTube interview with Richard Price recently and he covered most of this, I'll try and find it.


Thanks for the backup, Dean.

*fistbump*

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:57 PM

Here is Valk's link. It is good listening.

http://www.ex-christ...ase-for-christ/
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:46 PM




Man, excuse my francais, but we'll never fuckin know. Sure, it looks plausible.

If anything written about him actually happened. Or if he even existed.

He may have been the 1st century Abe Lincoln vampire hunter for all we know.

You don't know if he existed? If he didn't then neithor did Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Socrates, et. al. Reason? More ancient extent writings confirming the historicity of Jesus than the others I just cited. And before you go into a free thinking hissy fit, please take it up with academically minded scholars who are experts in ancient history. People like Bart Ehrmann, professor of ancient studies, etc..


Raoul while I agree with you that some sort of Jesus actually existed, I don't think the historical record proves anything. Most of the literature was religious and written by people who were not eyewitnesses. Josephus' account was more likely an interpolation done by early Christian fathers. Plus, even if he wrote it, he wasn't a historian in the sense that we consider one today and he included many myths in his writings as well. Most of the "historical" record is hearsay that's why the mythicists are building such a compelling case. Bart Ehrmann is also getting huge criticism for that latest book from some historians.

Valk posted a YouTube interview with Richard Price recently and he covered most of this, I'll try and find it.


Thanks for the backup, Dean.

*fistbump*

lol


Richard Carrier shred's Ehrman's book on the historicity of Jesus. Here's a link to one of his blog entries on the subject: http://freethoughtbl...r/archives/1151
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:52 PM

Interesting theory. Sounds like a mental case.

As far as Jesus existence, it was a common name and you couldn't swing a dead cat in Jerusalem without hitting a Jesus. Myths were told and stories handed down. A conglomeration of them became bible Jesus. Meh.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

I think he got a moldy piece of bread at his last supper. He was tripping.



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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:50 PM

If the stories about him have any shard of truth to them, he was. His family thought he was nutters. It's not uncommon for someone to isolate after a vivid hallucination > Following his baptism, Jesus was driven into the desert where he didn't eat and hallucinated about the devil tempting him. (& I know from experience that starvation can produce hallucinations.)

Jesus had delusions of religious persecution and a grandiose plans about how he was personally going to save mankind. But he was irritable, stubborn, conceited, impulsive, and he had serious daddy issues in a society where your father was your whole identity/status. The guy was a first century David Koresh, essentially.

Edited by TrailBlazer, 01 July 2012 - 07:51 PM.

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