Tezia Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 As a college student, I have been first exposed to this rather "interesting" belief system very recently. It seems that many of the students at my college who aren't Christian or any kind of mainstream Abrahamic religion seems to believe in this type of religion which I would classify under those New Age belief systems. At a friend's suggestion, I have looked into it a bit, and what I learned about Spirit science is very bizarre. I really don't want to go into detail about it, but after reading some facts for a good minute, this belief systems just rubbed me the wrong way. In some ways some of the claims in this belief system sound even more bizarre than some of the biblical miracle (ie. Jesus walking on water, Jesus turning water into wine or that story about the fishes and loaves). It really sounds like a bunch of belief systems combined together into one package. There appears to be nothing original about it, yet it appears to be really popular, and I'm having a difficult time seeing the appeal in this. It also didn't help that the first two people that I personally knew who had supported this belief system seemed like they had taken some kind of drug after they had shared some facts about it. One of them was very arrogant and essentially thought I was foolish for not subscribing to this belief system. Of the few times he had conversed with me about this, he mentioned stuff about crystal healing, chakras, sacred geometry to name a few, and went on to saying that his belief system is the original spirituality. He also believes in the whole Atlantian city thing and he even told me that his spirit was 72 feet tall (and he was serious about that one). Because of him, that other individual and what I've learned about Spirit Science, I am incredibly wary of anybody following this thing, even to the point of seriously being scared of them, because their beliefs just seem too bizarre to comprehend. It's almost like an adult still believing in Santa or the tooth fairy whenever I hear someone spewing this (what I believe to be) rubbish. Have any of you guys encountered people who support this whole spirit science? I'm not sure of it's a philosophy or if it falls under New Age religions, but I really am having a hard time taking anybody seriously who follows this because of my experience. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 20, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2014 Light, love, happiness! You can have anything you want!!! Sounds reasonable to me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Okay, had to look it up to check to see what it actually was you were talking about. I've come across it before. When I was a practicing witch I made friends with the new age community around here (not all are into this particular thing, but there is a lot of crossover). This isn't scary, really, just a whole lot of woo. First of all they are basing their thing on Atlantis… ya, okay. And martians…. ya, okay. Not sure but I would put money on it that it comes from some 'channeller'… (sigh). New agers can sometimes be even more gullible than christians… because they will accept any hypothesis based solely on hearsay.. they are very trendy - picking up the weekly new 'thing', ridiculously suggestible… and most fancy themselves 'psychic'. I've yet to meet one that doesn't consider themselves some kind of metaphysical healer. Most are harmless (real pagans call them fluff bunnies)… and usually very environmentally minded, and a bit humanistic. Mostly liberal politically and also ultra-politically correct (to the point of annoying). I've seen the video for this particular flavour of new age belief… it's just one more… the first one I remember was the Sitchen Annunaki theory.. then the land of MU… then the crystal skulls… then… the 'Secret'.. (puke). They don't even realize that they have begun from a base started by Gnosticism in the 2nd century… then Nandor Fodor and Madame Blavatsky and the Spiritualist movement of the 19th century, the Rosicruscians and Freemasons, then the eastern religious movement of the 60's/70's as well as Gerald Gardner's Wicca…and David Spangler, etc… it has grown from there with people like Sylivia Browne, Shakti Gawain, Gary Zukav, James Redfield, etc… and MYRIAD 'channellers', adding in aliens to these things plus hinduism, buddhism and other shamanistic beliefs. A lot of new agers also believe in Jesus, at least as a spiritual avatar. Oh.. and now they seem to think quantum physics supports their beliefs. (huge sigh) It's a hodgepodge… very eclectic… and way too unorganized to ever be anything remotely dangerous. I know a lot about new age beliefs… too much to put here. Most of it is rubbish… there are some things that are useful (herbal medicine… carefully researched.. diet, yoga, meditation… all good things, positive thinking never hurt anyone either… unless used as a substitute for hard work lol) I don't think all new age beliefs are 'wrong' per se, some I've met are very spiritual and balanced, but I would take any of their beliefs and research them carefully… if it brings someone inner peace and doesn't harm anyone… well, that's okay in my books. But it's always good to look into where these things originate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker001 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I didn't consider the historical background of new age, I was thinking it was just a western twist to eastern philosophy/religion and I never heard of the Rosicruscians. Something else to look up. Your assessment is how I view the new age movement. I like how they grab from other religions to find a path that works for them, but they seem to go to the extreme of believing things because it feels good and mysterious instead of thinking about what they believe and considering if it makes sense. There are a lot of things, at least on the surface, that doesn't make sense to me. However, I admit I haven't gone too in-depth into the new age religions, this is only from my observations from some of the new agers I've met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 IMO still less scary then Christians.A 72 feet tall spirit sounds more probable then a kangaroo swimming across the Atlantic ocean to visit Noa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Living beings do have energy fields that can be observed, measured, monitored with modern technology. Ancient Chinese medicine acknowledges these fields and has mapped them with explicit detail. We don't fully understand energy flow in Western culture, and I don't believe Western science has measured or documented any "chakras" above the crown chakra, but that doesn't mean the fields don't exist. In terms of other dogma and doctrine behind spirit science, I'm a full skeptic. I've also met people who subscribe to it and to me they just appear completely whacked. Yes, New Age is probably the best description for a religion like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryG Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I never heard of the Rosicruscians. Something else to look up. Be prepared to delve very, very deeply into very strange stuff. Studying the Rosicrucians will lead you into ... well, who knows what? But some of the threads leading from New Age to Rosicrucian and beyond get tangled in things that claim to be ancient mysteries and hidden knowledge. Be prepared to encounter the term "Illuminati" a lot on that journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I was accepted into the Rosicruscian Order many years ago…(you have to apply - they don't just accept anyone, kind of like Freemasonry I think). I wasn't quite ready to join and didn't accept the offer at that point. VERY interesting though. Very.. umm… theosophical and gnostic based. I have to agree with the energy thing.. ya, I know, very little empirical evidence… however… I am an attuned Usui Reiki practitioner.. it works. I don't know how or why.. or where it comes from, just that I can do it. It's a bit freaky actually… when I am close to someone who has a health problem the palms of my hands get ridiculously hot. Before I know they have a problem. One of those unexplainable things. I have Reiki to thank for avoiding foot surgery. (I had severe Plantar Faciitis, now I don't). Acupuncture (and accupressure) has proven very useful for pain relief. Maybe other things, not sure. Foot reflexology also seems to have benefits. (My theory is that there are a lot of nerve endings there and having them stimulated affects the nervous system… also we abuse our feet, have bad fitting shoes and posture - so any foot attention makes you feel good.. just a foot massage can do wonders). I'm okay with things we don't yet understand, but I still try to apply reason and logic to everything I can… don't ever want to be gullible again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted February 20, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2014 My wife and I benefit from Reiki and accupressure as well. Spirit Science looks like it grabs ideas from all of the most far out ancient alien conspiracy ideas. It reminds me a little bit of that other sciency sounding religion so popular with celebrities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I didn't consider the historical background of new age, I was thinking it was just a western twist to eastern philosophy/religion and I never heard of the Rosicruscians. Something else to look up. Your assessment is how I view the new age movement. I like how they grab from other religions to find a path that works for them, but they seem to go to the extreme of believing things because it feels good and mysterious instead of thinking about what they believe and considering if it makes sense. There are a lot of things, at least on the surface, that doesn't make sense to me. However, I admit I haven't gone too in-depth into the new age religions, this is only from my observations from some of the new agers I've met. I have been a member of the Theosophical Society since 2003. I live about 45 minutes away from the "local" lodge, so I don't get the opportunity to go there very much, but the library is top notch on these subjects, and they have different speakers every month talking about different "new age" subjects. I was even able to present a program there in 2006 - yes my own discussion group! It is a great opportunity to research all these various ideas. If you have a lodge in your area, or you live in Illinois where the headquarters is, I recommend everyone interested in these kinds of "new age" ideas go visit. They also have their own magazine and book publisher "Quest" books where you will find writings on all these subjects. I heard of the Rosicrusians many years ago, perhaps when I was about 16. I think I remember writing to them for some materials, but I never joined. I was still living at my fundy parent's house and the risk was too great they would find this material. Looking back on it, that was the start of my deconversion, although it took me decades to completely free myself. Now, with the internet, its a lot easier to get ahold of information about groups like this. I haven't heard of "spirit science" but I was on one meditation group where someone described communicating with an alien ship and they were completely serious. I think all these different ideas are great, but that one session was too weird even for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Living beings do have energy fields that can be observed, measured, monitored with modern technology. Ancient Chinese medicine acknowledges these fields and has mapped them with explicit detail. We don't fully understand energy flow in Western culture, and I don't believe Western science has measured or documented any "chakras" above the crown chakra, but that doesn't mean the fields don't exist. In terms of other dogma and doctrine behind spirit science, I'm a full skeptic. I've also met people who subscribe to it and to me they just appear completely whacked. Yes, New Age is probably the best description for a religion like this. Its very interesting how much Tibetan Buddhism draws from this idea of the energy flow in a human body. They constantly refer to "winds" and "channels". Its all worked out very elaborately I am sure. I even know a Dzogchen technique that is supposed to clear these channels and help with meditation. I find myself unable to do a whole lot of sitting meditation but thankfully there are other methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker001 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I didn't consider the historical background of new age, I was thinking it was just a western twist to eastern philosophy/religion and I never heard of the Rosicruscians. Something else to look up. Your assessment is how I view the new age movement. I like how they grab from other religions to find a path that works for them, but they seem to go to the extreme of believing things because it feels good and mysterious instead of thinking about what they believe and considering if it makes sense. There are a lot of things, at least on the surface, that doesn't make sense to me. However, I admit I haven't gone too in-depth into the new age religions, this is only from my observations from some of the new agers I've met. I have been a member of the Theosophical Society since 2003. I live about 45 minutes away from the "local" lodge, so I don't get the opportunity to go there very much, but the library is top notch on these subjects, and they have different speakers every month talking about different "new age" subjects. I was even able to present a program there in 2006 - yes my own discussion group! It is a great opportunity to research all these various ideas. If you have a lodge in your area, or you live in Illinois where the headquarters is, I recommend everyone interested in these kinds of "new age" ideas go visit. They also have their own magazine and book publisher "Quest" books where you will find writings on all these subjects. I heard of the Rosicrusians many years ago, perhaps when I was about 16. I think I remember writing to them for some materials, but I never joined. I was still living at my fundy parent's house and the risk was too great they would find this material. Looking back on it, that was the start of my deconversion, although it took me decades to completely free myself. Now, with the internet, its a lot easier to get ahold of information about groups like this. I haven't heard of "spirit science" but I was on one meditation group where someone described communicating with an alien ship and they were completely serious. I think all these different ideas are great, but that one session was too weird even for me! I haven't considered joining a society, but I'll check them out there are some interesting materials on their website. The subscription price seems reasonable for their magazine (when I have the money). Sadly it doesn't look like they have a lodge in my area Alien spaceship, Atlantis, sometimes I wonder if in their meditation it is something their mind conjures up as some sort of representation of something that their mind will accept. I think these are but ones own thoughts and they might be worth evaluating. Thoughts are concepts that exist within one's own mind, and randomly generated or not, they do influence ones perception of reality. What does the vision of Atlantis say to you? What does the spaceship mean to you? A hidden need to go exploring to see new sights. Or maybe there is an unresolved fear of abductions? Or maybe the vision is a sign one should be willing to meet with strange but important people. It is all a matter of what one interprets and chooses to do with the thought. This is my theory on the subject and some example of how these thoughts might be worth interpreting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 My wife and I benefit from Reiki and accupressure as well. Spirit Science looks like it grabs ideas from all of the most far out ancient alien conspiracy ideas. It reminds me a little bit of that other sciency sounding religion so popular with celebrities. Scientology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Reiki is cool. Ravenstar, I'm surprised you use the words you do to describe it, 'freaky' and 'unexplainable.' We both know it's not that at all, but quite natural, like gravity sort of, with laws of its own. Not that we can explain gravity, okay I'll give you that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted February 22, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2014 My wife and I benefit from Reiki and accupressure as well. Spirit Science looks like it grabs ideas from all of the most far out ancient alien conspiracy ideas. It reminds me a little bit of that other sciency sounding religion so popular with celebrities. Scientology? 8-O Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! They can hear you!!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perianwalsh Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Okay, had to look it up to check to see what it actually was you were talking about. I've come across it before. When I was a practicing witch I made friends with the new age community around here (not all are into this particular thing, but there is a lot of crossover). This isn't scary, really, just a whole lot of woo. First of all they are basing their thing on Atlantis… ya, okay. And martians…. ya, okay. Not sure but I would put money on it that it comes from some 'channeller'… (sigh). New agers can sometimes be even more gullible than christians… because they will accept any hypothesis based solely on hearsay.. they are very trendy - picking up the weekly new 'thing', ridiculously suggestible… and most fancy themselves 'psychic'. I've yet to meet one that doesn't consider themselves some kind of metaphysical healer. Most are harmless (real pagans call them fluff bunnies)… and usually very environmentally minded, and a bit humanistic. Mostly liberal politically and also ultra-politically correct (to the point of annoying). I've seen the video for this particular flavour of new age belief… it's just one more… the first one I remember was the Sitchen Annunaki theory.. then the land of MU… then the crystal skulls… then… the 'Secret'.. (puke). They don't even realize that they have begun from a base started by Gnosticism in the 2nd century… then Nandor Fodor and Madame Blavatsky and the Spiritualist movement of the 19th century, the Rosicruscians and Freemasons, then the eastern religious movement of the 60's/70's as well as Gerald Gardner's Wicca…and David Spangler, etc… it has grown from there with people like Sylivia Browne, Shakti Gawain, Gary Zukav, James Redfield, etc… and MYRIAD 'channellers', adding in aliens to these things plus hinduism, buddhism and other shamanistic beliefs. A lot of new agers also believe in Jesus, at least as a spiritual avatar. Oh.. and now they seem to think quantum physics supports their beliefs. (huge sigh) It's a hodgepodge… very eclectic… and way too unorganized to ever be anything remotely dangerous. I know a lot about new age beliefs… too much to put here. Most of it is rubbish… there are some things that are useful (herbal medicine… carefully researched.. diet, yoga, meditation… all good things, positive thinking never hurt anyone either… unless used as a substitute for hard work lol) I don't think all new age beliefs are 'wrong' per se, some I've met are very spiritual and balanced, but I would take any of their beliefs and research them carefully… if it brings someone inner peace and doesn't harm anyone… well, that's okay in my books. But it's always good to look into where these things originate. Yup,thats what I think ,but I did have a feeling that they take most of the source mainly from Indian religion/stuffs? I dunno, I did look at some of their stuffs..and what exactly is universal oneness? I dunno,but from what I have read on it it rubbed me the wrong way,plus some of the new age things do rub me the wrong way,like OP did .Actually I kind of like theres difference between each people and culture,I think thats fascinating,Imagine everyone has the same beliefs as you - thats scary for me.I just have a conversation with someone that has a very different beliefs , and although we disagree with each other, I really like the conversation.It helps you to think. There are some of the stuff is ok/good in my book but even for someone like me who have someone close experienced paranormal things(read ghosts) ,I wont believe in stuff like Alantis/Illuminatis ...I suppose thats my stance right now on all religions/spirituality.To take the good and discard the bad. I'm okay with things we don't yet understand, but I still try to apply reason and logic to everything I can… don't ever want to be gullible again. I think these things that may have different science measurement tools from normal science or required measurement tools that we have not developed yet ,so I do not think it in terms of paranormal .Even those "not scientific proven" stuffs like acupuncture has its own rules.I mean if you have acupuncture before, you'll know that not all places can be struck by the needle.My point is ,even these type of stuff , you have to see whether theres any subjective evidence - eg body recovery which are not attainable by other methods? That being said,I still recommend any of those people to see a proper doctor for any medications before trying out alternative methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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