Christians! Hahahahahahahahahaha

[Guest afireinside]

Define what you mean by, 'purpose'....then ask the question.

 

John 18:38

 

Pilate asked, "what is purpose?"

[xtify]

It's more likely that you have been told that atheists have no purpose.  That is the claim that christianity makes.  It's like the Nazis asking, "how does your life have any purpose, you don't worship the Fuhrer?"

[xtify]

 

I say the original question from the very first post isn't even relevant.  This is an ex-Christian site and the post specifically stated:

 

 

 

why do Christians think there is purpose to everything?  Why do they Want so badly to be a purpose? (I'm copying it verbatim)

Is it because if there is a purpose that would mean they THINK a god would somehow be involved?

 

Coupled with the trollish title "Christians!  Hahahahahahaha" and the opening post directed to allah-knows-where and I came to my conclusions that:

1. he's trolling
2. drunk trolling
3. he's Kirk Cameron trying to be stealthy and 'go around the person's intellect'

 

Or possibly a homeschooled teenage kid with internet access.  In that case, I empathise.

[mymistake]

Asking "how your life will have purpose if there is no God" is like asking "who will be our slave master if slavery is abolished".

[Ravenstar]

On a biological level we are here to perpetuate our genes.. that is to breed and pass our genes to the next generation. On a social level we are here to help each other survive… also ensuring the perpetuating of genes, or species, because we fill a niche in the circle of life on planet earth. On a personal level.. it's personal… for most it's caring about our loved ones, and striving to become the best we can be, or at least expressing our individual talents… which is a contribution to society. We are social animals.

 

Life will find a way, with or without us.. at this point in earth's history we happen to be here now and fill a specific niche. My personal belief is that our most striking contribution to the universe, as a species, is music. Whether we will kill ourselves off or not remains to be seen… but at some point in the future we will probably become extinct like 99% of every other life form on our planet that has existed has. Something else will take our place in the ecological niche we leave behind. The universe does not need us, nor our little ruminations, philosophical masturbation, fears, stories or megalomania to BE.

 

Life is good… and I plan to enjoy mine and maybe even leave something constructive behind.

 

Grammar is also good.  

[MerryG]

Grammar is also good.  

 

And another big amen and glory hallelujah to that, sister!

[Guest afireinside]

Christianity does not empower us to look after the planet or the well being of those in the future. I think that's stupid and ignorant!. If the Bible encouraged purpose of life that wasn't always looking towards the afterlife or the rapture then we could see some real positive change through Christianity but all we see is bitching about personal choice, fearmongering and hollow acts of service that are usually mere precursors to evangelism.

 

The Bible is short sighted and it's followers generally lack real tangible purpose as their worldview is largely governed by a lack of empathy for future generations and an unhealthy focus and drive which is based on a belief that only the eternal matters.

[mydisplayname]

My purpose is to learn nothing more nothing less. Books you guys mentioned I will check out. I also like to learn through personal interaction in.person and online. Also movie's of videos thru Richard Dawkins or athiest experience and many more.

 

I already understand Athiest do not believe in God giving them purpose hence why I never made that claim

 

Thank you for all you input in understanding of purpose. Everyone here was loving and respectful.

 

My last question is Why was we born?Why isn't the world filled with just nature? Why did we have to come into existence? Any scientific thoughts? Although science more so answers the how not the why

 

My first reaction after reading your posts made me think you're from a country where English isn't spoken. If you're like me and you don't speak English on a regular basis then I propose reading as many English books as possible.  If however you speak English as a first language at home then you have to start proof reading your posts before posting. 

 

Lastly you mentioned science giving the how and not the why.

Stuff happens. We know what causes it. Why should there be a why? 

[Pantophobia]

If we're talking purpose, what is the purpose of all of the "lol!" crap, you illiterate twat? 

 

My patience is at a minimum today. Eff off.

[1AcceptingAThiest1]

I Want to personally thank those who responded to my questions politely and with respect And for responding without the 32billion strawman statements and machinegun negative commentary. I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY. Ravenstar I love your grammar and thoughtful response I am not too good grammar but I learn as I go. And my definition of purpose is the dictionary definition since 99percent of people here believe in the dictionary.

 

My end result is this....we all ask WHY from time to time. I didn't believe in God until 3yrs ago I had over 20years of cynical and BS detection character traits. My WHYS led me to God and for some here their WHY led them away from God am I not correct? some used logic to question the validity of Christianity and those WHYS played a critical role in your non Christian life style today.

 

Why is important and should not be mitigated. As a Christian now I still ask why because I do not just believe what a pastor minister etc tells me I research for myself.

 

Granted perhaps my OP Was confusing but I was not trying to trick anyone again my English is the not the best nonheless thank you for those who asked....rather than assumed. Next time you assume I encourage you to mimic your friends here that showed me love and respect. We should speak words that build each other up not tear each other down. Its almost as if some can't help but have something negative to say but then ironically accuse Christians of behaving with certain attitudes when they themselves don't hold up to the standard they set.

 

Similar to the popular cliche phrase our eyes are Windows to our soul well our words are a window to our heart. The words we speak reveal the condition of our heart.

 

Thank u for your time in reading.

[FreeThinkerNZ]

Oh, did someone offend you?  Bit sensitive perhaps.  Pray about it.

[florduh]

I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY.

 

Then perhaps a Christian website would be better suited to your needs than this Ex-Christian place. Just saying. Duh?

[Roz]

1. Why did you frame the title like a troll post:  "Christians hahahahahaha"
2. Why does your last thread have a troll title:  "Christians are a laughing stock"
3. Why did you suddenly move your premise from "why do christians believe there is a purpose" to "what is your purpose"?

 

Now like a good christian, he's claiming the moral high ground.  Unbelievable.  Looking at your thread and post history makes me laugh.

[francesco]

 I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY. 

why would everyone listen to you?

are you a king?a president?

here a hint: you want to be valued and listened? then start valuing and listening other

[Guest afireinside]

 

 

I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY.

why would everyone listen to you?

are you a king?a president?

here a hint: you want to be valued and listened? then start valuing and listening other

1AA1 we are all on here to debate and offer different perspectives. Sometimes we just have to stop and think first before we speak our mind, are we willing to accept the reaction to what we say? If not then maybe reconsider what is said and how it could be interpreted. Nobody wants to waste anyone's time, especially if our existence is finite and we need to use our limited time productively.

[Pantophobia]

Typical. Show up here, troll and taunt, mock, then, when we respond, whine that we don't respect your beliefs or listen to you. However, WE DON'T OWE YOU ANY OF THAT, any more than if someone comes into my home uninvited, tracks mud on my clean floor, eats my lunch, and then complains about my lack of hospitality. 

Go away, little boy. 

[midniterider]

 I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY.

 

Fantastic. You didn't bring us anything of value anyway. We used to be Christians. We know the religious shit you know. That's why we don't want to be a Christian again. So we come here to chill with other non-believers. 

 

My end result is this....we all ask WHY from time to time. I didn't believe in God until 3yrs ago I had over 20years of cynical and BS detection character traits. My WHYS led me to God and for some here their WHY led them away from God am I not correct? some used logic to question the validity of Christianity and those WHYS played a critical role in your non Christian life style today.

 

I had 30 years of cynical and BS detection character traits. Then I became a Christian for 10 years. Then I got tired of being angry about following stupid rules in the bible and I let Jesus go. I'm much more at peace without Jesus. We all end up following different paths as a result of our questioning and research. To each his own. Believe whatever you like. Just expect resistance to Christ on this EX-Christian website. People here did not just all of a sudden become Ex-Christians. They have rejected Christ for very good and very personal reasons. Mental health was my reason.

 

Why is important and should not be mitigated. As a Christian now I still ask why because I do not just believe what a pastor minister etc tells me I research for myself.

 

Granted perhaps my OP Was confusing but I was not trying to trick anyone again my English is the not the best nonheless thank you for those who asked....rather than assumed. Next time you assume I encourage you to mimic your friends here that showed me love and respect. We should speak words that build each other up not tear each other down. Its almost as if some can't help but have something negative to say but then ironically accuse Christians of behaving with certain attitudes when they themselves don't hold up to the standard they set.

 

Christianity tears people down. "I am a sinner" is not an encouragement phrase. It is a phrase that causes shame. Christianity causes people to be afraid of something which does not exist (Jesus, God, Holy Spirit, Satan). Christianity causes people to feel guilt when they follow their own common sense instead of the framework of Christian culture or biblical precepts. Christianity controls peoples lives by the use of sins which really cause no harm to anyone (being gay, masturbation, lust). Christianity is a financial predator that asks for money every week in the collection plate and eventually works up to 10% of your income. Christianity is a toxic virus of the mind and system of mental manipulation and we have freed ourselves from it.

 

Similar to the popular cliche phrase our eyes are Windows to our soul well our words are a window to our heart. The words we speak reveal the condition of our heart.

 

I reject your guilt trip. Have a nice day. Don't take offense, but just understand that "I do not just believe what a pastor, minister, [or you] tells me, I research for myself." :-) So while I'm agreeable most of the time with most people, I generally dont agree with Christians while we are talking in a no-holds-barred forum. The Lion's Den (here) was designed to allow people to debate Christianity and not really be nice about it like we would have to act if we were in person. This is a special venue with not much decorum. People here are tired of pretending that Christianity is a good thing when it's not. The Lion's Den allows people to say what they really feel about Christianity when often (at home or work) they are stifled or afraid to speak their minds because their entire family and friends or co-workers would turn against them.

 

People here ARE going to say bad things about the religion that fucked with their heads. That's what this place is for. Why are you here? To request that we screw up our heads with the same fear, shame and guilt of Christianity all over again? That's not very nice of you. 

 

Thank u for your time in reading.

[xtify]

 

I DO NOT NEED TO WASTE MY LIMITED time ON PEOPLE THAT DO NOT VALUE WHAT I SAY.

 

Then perhaps a Christian website would be better suited to your needs than this Ex-Christian place. Just saying. Duh?

 

 

I totally agree with Florduh.  If you want to know why christians believe they have a purpose, then you should try asking on a christian forum.  It doesn't make any sense for you to be on this forum asking these types of questions.  This is the reason people are assuming you are trolling.  The title of your thread is pretty strange for someone who calls themself a christian.  If you are on here thinking that you will somehow trick us into realizing we are without purpose, as if we haven't already considered the issue, that is laughable.  Please don't bother wasting your time or ours.  

[mydisplayname]

Similar to the popular cliche phrase our eyes are Windows to our soul well our words are a window to our heart. The words we speak reveal the condition of our heart.

 

 

 

No such thing as a soul.

 

If you want to see the condition of your heart I suggest your local doctor. He will be doing certain tests, none of which involve listening to you talk,  and can then refer you to a specialist if there is a suspicion of something more serious.  

 

PS. Your last post was much better in terms of language construction. You're getting better at this.

[1AcceptingAThiest1]

im one primate so i cannot respond to all individual primates but i did read everyones posts, but so many so i have to respond in general unless you message me directly, i will most definatly respond to you

 

You know what? i like you guys want to go out on a date? the only thing i dated was my math homework on the top right hand corner. This is a athiest/ex christian website, i didnt know that, WOW, mindblowing knowledge, thanks for telling me the tip top secret, i appreciate that. I owe you respect so, im sorry if i offended or hurt anyone here, im willing to make amends if you let me,  I didnt start this out right so i will not post alot on this thread because i butchered it from the beginnig like the Matt vs Matt Debate on athiest experience. Look, im bad at humor i will tell you that right now so if i send you to the doctor because of 32billion face palms on yourself, i apologize in advance. What we THINK isnt what is REAL, and hiding from reality doesnt change reality. The way we FEEL isnt based on truth, but they help us all understand each other.

 

Midniterider, thanks for the lengthy explanation, i cannot change anyone nor was a trying to, I aslo ackowledge the concern of this being a site for expression and release from the pain that was caused and i do not want to take that away or hinder that so i will meet yall where you are at if that is ok? So feel free to insult me i wont stop you, i eat insults for breakfeast lunch and dinner. But i will be more likely to respond to those who respond with love.

 

Clarifications

1. I did not make any claims or assume God in any of my posts, you all simply jumped to that conclusion, unless you take just me stating christianity as a claim. Which i know some people do from previous groups, but everyone is different so of well. i havent assumed anything you only assumed that i assumed or maybe i'm assuming you are assuming, or maybe your Ah-su-ming the executive director Japenese Mind reading Technolgies hence your remarkable ability practically predict the future responses, thoughts, by letter and word by all christians here. because you guys probably Get 32billions responses that are the same and can.  But im simply asked questions, That is alot better then busting up in here gunz blazing with bullet claims, grenade launching bible verses and explosion of prayer talking about what i think you are.

 

 

2. I was taught what to think but i dont do that anymore, nor do i like or choose to do so, i think for myself even if my brain is small and melon shaped. but im still christian and remain so. I dont feel fear or guilt trip in my christian walk and im sorry you guys felt that. I only feel love in my life none else. I am aware of the atrocious things religion has done but even jesus didnt like religion, its not the same what i believe in. Its a...you got it..say it..say it... Yep a relationship!...OOOh i knew he was going to say that!  Pfft i'm not here to suprise you, nor am i here to be the magic christian that is suppsoedly going to blow your min with something you never heard before. I Cant people been battling for centuries lol. That is WHY....i not here to convince, all i can do is hear different perspectives and have discussion rather than debate.

 

 

lastly, im sure alot of christians try really hard to help, convert, or whatever then get offended hurt and go cry home and never come back then you have some who start strong and say im going to stay on here forever and leave in a week. Well guess what, i plan to stay forever, heard that one before right? well i PLAN to so if something happens and i cant keep the Polymorous bisexual relationship with you all, look, i have a facebook page... Christian followers look me up if i do not STAY for whatever reason you can always find me

 

I know you guys wish you could find a christian that can stay, aww thats so sweet, I dont plan on seeing other people if thats what your thinking, I have all i need right here  no toys. Tho, that stuff hurts., well i will go on dates with you 3 times a week, Applebees olive garden and Carrabas we must avoid though.

[1AcceptingAThiest1]

Again I may respond briefly after this but I can be a better responder if im active on 1 not 2 or 3 open topics I messed up for doing that sorry. So next few days I will be.responding.to all individuals in.my.other.thread why vs how

[Ravenstar]

You get what you give.

 

This is a site for EX-Christians… surely that would give some indication that christian thought might not go over too well here. This is also called the Lion's Den for a reason.. we are allowed to nibble here. (lol)

 

We respond quite well to the sincere and the respectful, actually.

 

Honest questions get honest answers. Respectful inquiry gets respectful responses. Cause and effect. You are in our house… you don't see non-christians, ex-christians or atheists going into churches and being disrespectful… do you?

 

Grammar… it's a byproduct of being well-read. Think on that a little.

 

Cheers!  I'm off to work.

[midniterider]

2. I was taught what to think but i dont do that anymore, nor do i like or choose to do so, i think for myself even if my brain is small and melon shaped. but im still christian and remain so. I dont feel fear or guilt trip in my christian walk and im sorry you guys felt that. I only feel love in my life none else. I am aware of the atrocious things religion has done but even jesus didnt like religion, its not the same what i believe in. Its a...you got it..say it..say it... Yep a relationship!...OOOh i knew he was going to say that!  Pfft i'm not here to suprise you, nor am i here to be the magic christian that is suppsoedly going to blow your min with something you never heard before. I Cant people been battling for centuries lol. That is WHY....i not here to convince, all i can do is hear different perspectives and have discussion rather than debate.

 

You think for yourself? Would you be willing to consider the possibility that God is not always good? Or that God has made some mistakes? Do you ever get tired of walking the walk or talking the talk or more importantly 'thinking the think' of Christianity? Three years in isn't very long as a Christian. Do you ever apologize to God for thinking 'bad' thoughts? Or doing sinful things? Think about how many times you will apologize to God over the next 20 years for petty stuff that doesn't matter or cause anyone harm.

 

You speak of atrocious things that religion has done. You mean like flooding the whole world which killed nearly everyone? Oh wait, no, religion didnt flood the world, God flooded the world. Yeah.

 

Enjoy your relationship with your imagination. If it works for you, I'm happy for you. I hope you can be happy that I choose not to believe what you believe.

 

You say you're not here to convince us about Jesus, but here to discuss. Why discuss? Every Christian (and thus, Ex-Christian) knows the prime directive of Christianity is go out and make disciples of all nations (Mt 28:19) ... My guess is you're either here to coax us back into Christianity....or you're here because you have doubts and don't want to admit it. If you have doubts , just say it. :-) You're anonymous. Nobody can know who you are here. :-)

[Roz]

That same being you're in a relationship with, jesus, really did order the:

• killing of male children
• rape and forced marriages of female virgin children
• killing of non-virgin women
• codified who you can enslave for life and who you can't

Really, go read the bible for yourself.  It's in there.  Hell, just stop and read the posts here in the lion's den.

What's more, he required his followers then to carry out his orders.  It's in your good book.

"I and my father are one" 

[FreeThinkerNZ]

You're incorrect in saying this is an athiest/ex-christian website.  It's an ex-christian website.  Not everyone here is an athiest.  I will be more interested in reading your posts and engaging in "discussion" with you if I see some evidence that you've been reading anything here with an open mind and taking care to avoid making assumptions about that which you don't yet understand.