Guest end3 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Was thinking how some give "life" to the collective consciousness of humanity. Given our internet and social media(s), one would think that would sort of simulate the brain to this consciousness. Was just thinking that the/a way to govern would not be that different than the way we would like to treat our own bodies granting we know what's best. Was thinking mobility and might were necessities to enacting whatever the collective determined. Tying it all to Christianity, not for any particular reason, other than the body concept. Thoughts? Would be nice to know what the collective data shows about our nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The internet and social media have been driving people away from Christianity. This very site is testimony to that fact. In ages past ex-Christians had to silently endure isolation. Now we can all talk about our common experience. This takes power away from the popes, bishops, priests and pastors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted May 14, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think the ease with which the worker ants everywhere can communicate with each other these days is a cause of concern for the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm not concerned with the effect on Christianity.....was just thinking that government through this collective consciousness has potential, yet would like to know what it shows. Does FB publish trend/data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 14, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2014 We are the borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 We are the borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. The way people mindlessly stare at their smart phone when they should be paying attention - yes we are the borg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 14, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted May 14, 2014 We are the borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. The way people mindlessly stare at their smart phone when they should be paying attention - yes we are the borg. Sorry... did you say something? I was counting my dark elixir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ousian Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You can look at me as living testimony to the power of the internet to deconvert a Christian. More power to it. I'm not sure if the internet has anything to say about our country per se, though it does show humanity's natural tendency to be absolutely awful given the security of relative anonymity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereisnoperfect Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 The trick is, the collective view isn't necessarily right, especially about complex things that are counter-intuitive. "Raise the debt ceiling" sounds like agreeing to take on more debt, but that's not what it means. Even when we try to poll people to see what the collective will is, we get very different answers depending on how the questions are phrased. And California has had several propositions that show the difficulties that arise with direct democracy in a complex society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 The trick is, the collective view isn't necessarily right, especially about complex things that are counter-intuitive. "Raise the debt ceiling" sounds like agreeing to take on more debt, but that's not what it means. Even when we try to poll people to see what the collective will is, we get very different answers depending on how the questions are phrased. And California has had several propositions that show the difficulties that arise with direct democracy in a complex society. Democracy boils down to people voting whichever way the advertising tells them to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubtingNate Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 You can look at me as living testimony to the power of the internet to deconvert a Christian. Truth. Growing up, I was limited to whatever books I could find around me (my dad had lots, but not they were not helpful for deconversion). If I had wanted to try hard enough, of course, I had the local public library to check out other books but the Internet was still in its infancy. It would have taken much more effort to hunt down new information that was contrary to my upbringing. It wasn't impossible, but perhaps 'effort-prohibitive.' It might sound weird, but getting a kindle, and later an iPhone and iPad about 2 years ago had a big role in what has turned out to be my deconversion. I'm no longer chained to a laptop or desktop and can now look up anything, anywhere. Type in a Bible verse and see commentary from a wide variety of sources. Or just google 'transitional fossils' and see a gargantuan list of evidence for evolution. Watch youtube videos and listen to podcasts about science, skepticism, theology and just about any other topic that interests me. I have to make a conscious effort to decide what to read because there is so much information at my fingertips that I previously did not have the time to access. What an incredible time to be alive! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Business Insider publishes some data such as you're looking for, end. You can get a feed from it on fb. Along your line of thought we should be talking about corporations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ousian Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 You can look at me as living testimony to the power of the internet to deconvert a Christian. Truth. Growing up, I was limited to whatever books I could find around me (my dad had lots, but not they were not helpful for deconversion). If I had wanted to try hard enough, of course, I had the local public library to check out other books but the Internet was still in its infancy. It would have taken much more effort to hunt down new information that was contrary to my upbringing. It wasn't impossible, but perhaps 'effort-prohibitive.' It might sound weird, but getting a kindle, and later an iPhone and iPad about 2 years ago had a big role in what has turned out to be my deconversion. I'm no longer chained to a laptop or desktop and can now look up anything, anywhere. Type in a Bible verse and see commentary from a wide variety of sources. Or just google 'transitional fossils' and see a gargantuan list of evidence for evolution. Watch youtube videos and listen to podcasts about science, skepticism, theology and just about any other topic that interests me. I have to make a conscious effort to decide what to read because there is so much information at my fingertips that I previously did not have the time to access. What an incredible time to be alive! If the past exponential growth of technology is any indication, the accessibility of information can only increase. Thinking of how this will affect the religiously proselytized brings me great joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
directionless Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Was thinking how some give "life" to the collective consciousness of humanity. Given our internet and social media(s), one would think that would sort of simulate the brain to this consciousness. Was just thinking that the/a way to govern would not be that different than the way we would like to treat our own bodies granting we know what's best. Was thinking mobility and might were necessities to enacting whatever the collective determined. Tying it all to Christianity, not for any particular reason, other than the body concept. Thoughts? Would be nice to know what the collective data shows about our nation. I think you are saying that if consciousness arises from or conforms to physical systems then there should be various newly created forms of consciousness corresponding to the newly created societies on the internet? That makes sense to me. We all are influenced by group thinking and herd behavior. How would a person detect internet consciousness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I think about this all the time. The problem is that humans generally think of humanity as the top of all things, and most people scoff at the idea that there could be consciousness or even just sentience in greater forms than a human being. Unless some scientific models surface to accept this idea, there won't be much acceptance or progress. Now that corporations are considered people, however... The real question is do corporations have souls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think about this all the time. The problem is that humans generally think of humanity as the top of all things, and most people scoff at the idea that there could be consciousness or even just sentience in greater forms than a human being. Unless some scientific models surface to accept this idea, there won't be much acceptance or progress. Now that corporations are considered people, however... The real question is do corporations have souls? One would think the collective soul would be directed by the imagined profit of the collective. We, imo, lack the "head" on many occasions and acknowledge this by remembering our good leaders....MLK, JFK,...those that brought good and not "profit" to the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipVanWinkle Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The "collective whole" does not have a soul any more than a single human does. But,in my opinion, if the power of the collective whole were truly harnessed, it would be a dangerous situation, UNLESS its function were limited to selection of its leaders. The collective opinion of the whole on policy matters is not the best way to determine policy because knowledge of the collective whole is too limited. bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moanareina Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 There is no collective consciousness or soul...only a collective unconsciousness. Conscious people see through the system and opt out wherever they can. My opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonkeyman Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The internet and social media have been driving people away from Christianity. This very site is testimony to that fact. In ages past ex-Christians had to silently endure isolation. Now we can all talk about our common experience. This takes power away from the popes, bishops, priests and pastors. Amen - Praise the Lawd for that comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverlandrut Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 American society tends to morally value individual consciousness rather than a collective concept. There has been and is a lot of philosophical debate over whether individualism is the best moral frame work for distributive justice. Libertarian philosophy says yes it is. Seems like you are positing something like utilitarianism which prizes whatever causes the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people. It's a valid concept, but has it's practical problems just like libertarianism does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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