savemefromgod Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Proof of plagiarism in the Bible! This is no joke! Mithras - Born of a virgin, born December 25th. Had 12 disciples Horus - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star, life threatened by ruling power (Therut); angel gives warning to save his life; no biography from age 12-30; baptized at age 30, the baptismer was beheaded; walked on water; cast out demons; healed the sick; restored sight to the blind; was crucified; descended into hell; rose in three days Krishna - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star; life threatened by ruling power , angel gives warning to save his life; cast out demons; healed the sick; was crucified; rose in three days Dionysis - Born of a virgin; - born December 25th; Rode an ass; turned water into wine, was crucified and eaten, to purify believers; named “King of Kings”, “Only Begotten Son”, “Savior”, “Alpha and Omega” Attis - born December 25th, body as bread eaten by worshippers, crucified for the salvation of mankind, descended into hell; rose in three days Zoroaster - Born of a virgin, astounded wise men with his wisdom as a boy; tempted in the wilderness by the devil; began ministry at age 30; cast out demons; restored sight to the blind Quetzalcoatl - Born of a virgin; tempted and fasted for 40 days, was crucified, resurrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhim Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Krishna - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star; life threatened by ruling power , angel gives warning to save his life; cast out demons; healed the sick; was crucified; rose in three days This one isn't true. Being a Hindu I was told the story of Krishna many times when I was growing up. Krishna's mother had seven children before him, so unless the claim here is that they were all virgin born, this part isn't true. I know nothing of his birth being heralded by a star, or any angel giving a warning to save his life. In fact there are no "angels" in Hinduism to speak of. Likewise the Christian concept of demons is absent; Hindu demons are physical beings, same as humans. I don't know about Krishna going on any healing ministries, he certainly wasn't crucified (unless you count being shot with an arrow as crucifixion), and I'm certain he wasn't raised back to life. I'm all for pointing to flaws in Christianity, since it's an evil religion. But it does no one any good to promulgate incorrect information. It hurts your own credibility, and it restores the faith of Christians who are considering deconversion. For your own good and that of the Christians to whom you speak, please don't repeat this claim! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 There are no 'angels' in Egyptian mythology... The Procreation of Horus, son of Isis. THE text which contains this legend is found cut in hieroglyphics upon a stele which is now preserved in Paris. Attention was first called to it by Chabas, who in 1857 gave a translation of it in the Revue Archéologique, p. 65 ff., and pointed out the importance of its contents with his characteristic ability. The hieroglyphic text was first published by Ledrain in his work on the monuments of the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris, 1 and I gave a transcript of the text, with transliteration and translation, in 1895. 2 The greater part of the text consists of a hymn to Osiris, which was probably composed under the XVIIIth Dynasty, when an extraordinary development of the cult of that god took place, and when he was placed by Egyptian theologians at the head of all the gods. Though unseen in the temples, his presence filled all Egypt, and his body formed the very substance of the country. He was the God of all gods and the Governor of the Two Companies of the gods, he formed the soul and body of Ra, he was the beneficent Spirit of all spirits, he was himself the celestial food on which the Doubles in the Other World lived. He was the greatest of the gods in On (Heliopolis), Memphis, Herakleopolis, Hermopolis, Abydos, and the region of the First Cataract, and so. He embodied in his own person the might of Ra-Tem, Apis and Ptah, the Horus-gods, Thoth and Khnemu, and his rule over Busiris and Abydos continued to be supreme, as it had been for many, many hundreds of years. He was the source of the Nile, the north wind sprang from him, his seats were the stars of heaven which never set, and the imperishable stars were his ministers. All heaven was his dominion, and the doors of the sky opened before him of their own accord when he appeared. He inherited the earth from his father Keb, and the sovereignty of heaven from his mother Nut. In his person he united endless time in the past and endless time in the future. Like Ra he had fought Seba, or Set, the monster of evil, and had defeated him, and his victory assured to him lasting authority over the gods and the dead. He exercised his creative power in making land and water, trees and herbs, cattle and other four-footed beasts, birds of all kinds, and fish and creeping things; even the waste spaces of the desert owed allegiance to him as the creator. And he rolled out the sky, and set the light above the darkness. The last paragraph of the text contains an allusion to Isis, the sister and wife of Osiris, and mentions the legend of the birth of Horus, which even under the XVIIIth Dynasty was very ancient, Isis, we are told, was the constant protectress of her brother, she drove away the fiends that wanted to attack him, and kept them out of his shrine and tomb, and she guarded him from all accidents. All these things she did by means of spells and incantations, large numbers of which were known to her, and by her power as the "witch-goddess." Her "mouth was trained to perfection, and she made no mistake in pronouncing her spells, and her tongue was skilled and halted not." At length came the unlucky day when Set succeeded in killing Osiris during the war which the "good god" was waging against him and his fiends. Details of the engagement are wanting, but the Pyramid Texts state that the body of Osiris was hurled to the ground by Set at a place called Netat, which seems to have been near Abydos. 3 The news of the death of Osiris was brought to Isis, and she at once set out to find his body. All legends agree in saying that she took the form of a bird, and that she flew about unceasingly, going hither and thither, and uttering wailing cries of grief. At length she found the body, and with a piercing cry she alighted on the ground. The Pyramid Texts say that Nephthys was with her that "Isis came, Nephthys came, the one on the right side, the other on the left side, one in the form of a Hat bird, the other in the form of a Tchert bird, and they found Osiris thrown on the ground in Netat by his brother Set." The late form of the legend goes on to say that Isis fanned the body with her feathers, and produced air, and that at length she caused the inert members of Osiris to move, and drew from him his essence, wherefrom she produced her child Horus. This bare statement of the dogma of the conception of Horus does not represent all that is known about it, and it may well be supplemented by a passage from the Pyramid Texts, 4 which reads, "Adoration to thee, O Osiris. 5 Rise thou up on thy left side, place thyself on thy right side. This water which I give unto thee is the water of youth (or rejuvenation). Adoration to thee, O Osiris! Rise thou up on thy left side, place thyself on thy right side. This bread which I have made for thee is warmth. Adoration to thee, O Osiris! The doors of heaven are opened to thee, the doors of the streams are thrown wide open to thee. The gods in the city of Pe come [to thee], Osiris, at the sound (or voice) of the supplication of Isis and Nephthys. . . . . . . Thy elder sister took thy body in her arms, she chafed thy hands, she clasped thee to her breast [when] she found thee [lying] on thy side on the plain of Netat." And in another place we read: 6 "Thy two sisters, Isis and Nephthys, came to thee, Kam-urt, in thy name of Kam-ur, Uatchet-urt, in thy name of Uatch-ur" . . . . . . . "Isis and Nephthys weave magical protection for thee in the city of Saut, for thee their lord, in thy name of 'Lord of Saut,' for their god, in thy name of 'God.' They praise thee; go not thou far from them in thy name of 'Tua.' They present offerings to thee; be not wroth in thy name of 'Tchentru.' Thy sister Isis cometh to thee rejoicing in her love for thee. 7 Thou hast union with her, thy seed entereth her. She conceiveth in the form of the star Septet (Sothis). Horus-Sept issueth from thee in the form of Horus, dweller in the star Septet. Thou makest a spirit to be in him in his name 'Spirit dwelling in the god Tchentru.' He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father.' Hail, Osiris, Keb hath brought to thee Horus, he hath avenged thee, he hath brought to thee the hearts of the gods, Horus hath given thee his Eye, thou hast taken possession of the Urert Crown thereby at the head of the gods. Horus hath presented to thee thy members, he hath collected them completely, there is no disorder in thee. Thoth hath seized thy enemy and hath slain him and those who were with him." The above words are addressed to dead kings in the Pyramid Texts, and what the gods were supposed to do for them was believed by the Egyptians to have been actually done for Osiris. These extracts are peculiarly valuable, for they prove that the legend of Osiris which was current under the XVIIIth Dynasty was based upon traditions which were universally accepted in Egypt under the Vth and VIth Dynasties. The hymn concludes with a reference to the accession of Horus, son of Isis, the flesh and bone of Osiris, to the throne of his grandfather Keb, and to the welcome which he received from the Tchatcha, or Administrators of heaven, and the Company of the Gods, and the Lords of Truth, who assembled in the Great House of Heliopolis to acknowledge his sovereignty. His succession also received the approval of Neb-er-tcher, who, as we saw from the first legend in this book, was the Creator of the Universe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish,[7][8] or sometimes by a crab, and according to Plutarch's account (see Osiris) used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a gold phallus[9] to conceive her son (older Egyptian accounts have the penis of Osiris surviving). Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son.[10] There Isis bore a divine son, Horus. HORUS (Egyptian Hôr) . An Egyptian deity. His name Hôr (u) is by some scholars explained as meaning "the superior, highest," but this is an improbable etymology, not more probable, perhaps, than the earlier comparison with Hebrew or (light), which is generally ridiculed at present. It is questionable where Horus had his original local cult: usually Edfu, where a large temple is still standing, is considered to have been the locality, although the god was worshiped at a great many other places. He was patron of Upper Egypt. On the very earliest monuments we find Horus as the chief god and type of the King; from the first the hawk is his symbol, and there are allusions to his antagonism to Set, so that the later theological ideas seem to be traceable to the time of the first dynasty. The original dominating position of Horus within the pantheon is shown by the fact that his hawk stands as hieroglyph for "god" in general. He appears as a sky god; then he personifies the sun, originally thought to fly over the sky in form of a hawk, and is usually represented as a young warrior with the head of a hawk, wearing the crown of Egypt. More specially he personifies the young sun, rising victoriously in the morning out of the hostile darkness. Therefore he is connected with Osiris, the sun dying in the west, and as his son he takes vengeance for his father on the powers of darkness. More rarely he is called the son of Rê, the midday sun. He is frequently called a posthumous son of Osiris, and after the nineteenth dynasty he is constantly represented as the son of Isis, who is even said to have formed him from the mutilated members of her murdered husband. Rising gloriously, Horus begins the fight with Set-Typhon, his wicked uncle, every morning--although later (partly euhemeristic) views consider the great fight between the gods as a single event, occurring at the beginning of the world. Avenging his murdered father, Horus overthrows and emasculates Set; but he loses one eye in the contest. Possibly this refers to the moon, which loses its light every month; or else the sun may be the single eye in the face of the god, i.e., the sky. The wounded eye is healed by the moon god (Dhouti, Thoth), which means that the second eye appears in the night. The blood of the wounded eye drips down and creates plants, animals, and all good and useful things on earth. It is curious to note how Horus is differentiated in regard to his various functions and phases. We find, e.g., Harpocrates (Horus as a child) distinguished from Haroëris (the adult Horus); Harondotes (Egyptian: Harnez-iotef, the avenger of his father); Horus in Khemnis, as a babe hidden by his mother in the marshes of the Delta from the persecutions of Set; Harmachis (q.v.) ; "Horus uniting both lands"; and various other forms became localized and had their special cults. Many details of the Horus myth are obscure; e.g., the legend that he once cut off the head of his mother, which may have been borrowed from an Asiatic cosmogonic myth. The later theology explained this story by the statement that Isis had set free the wicked Set after Horus had delivered him to her in fetters, and that Horis mutilated her in his indignation at her act. The moon god (see above) replaced the head of Isis by a cow's head. The story of the fight against Set-Typhon is told with a great many variations, and the wicked adversary and his many helpers resist Horus in many forms and at many places. Later, the serpent Apap, as the personification of night and the hostile ocean, became confounded with Set (q.v.). The later Egyptians, under Greek influence, made strange attempts to harmonize these hundreds of different, contradictory myths. (Consult especially Plutarch's De Iside et Osiride, and the accounts given by Diodorus.) Like Osiris, Horus was explained as typifying everything good in nature, although the solar meaning of most of the mythological facts was too manifest to be entirely overlooked. The planets Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were also considered as manifestations of Horus ("the red Horus," "the brilliant Horus," "Horus the bull"). In the mythical accounts of the early history of Egypt Horus was counted as the last of the divine rulers of the land. The principal temples of Horus were at Letopolis, in Lower Egypt, at Kus (Apollinopolis Parva), and at Edfu (Apollinopolis Magna-the Greeks identified Horus with their Apollo); he was worshiped also at Ombos, Denderah (Tentyra), Damanhur (Hermopolis Parva), etc. In Imperial Rome he became as popular as Isis and the other members of the Osirian family. Consult E. A. T. W. Budge, The Gods of the Egyptians, passim (London, 1904). The New International Encyclopaedia, Vol. XI (New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1920) 495-496. I don't know where the idea that Horus was a man-god comes from, but it isn't Egyptian mythology. Horus was never a man… he was always a god. He never ministered, or had disciples, walked among the people, or anything of the sort. The legends of Horus are very ancient… and he had been worshipped in Egypt, as the Falcon God, the hawk, the rising sun, the sky and all in it, the all seeing eye.. a war god and protector of the pharaoh and the people of Egypt (Kemet) from the beginning of the dynastic period. There ARE astrotheological similarities between Horus and Jesus.. but that's about it. It seems more that the Hebrews borrowed parts of the story of Isis and Horus and modeled Mary and Jesus after them - it being a very popular image/concept in the middle east. (The goddess and her son - it's everywhere i.e.: Nature gives birth to the sun which in turns gives life back to nature - agricultural/astronomical theology) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Proof of plagiarism in the Bible! This is no joke! Mithras - Born of a virgin, born December 25th. Had 12 disciples Horus - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star, life threatened by ruling power (Therut); angel gives warning to save his life; no biography from age 12-30; baptized at age 30, the baptismer was beheaded; walked on water; cast out demons; healed the sick; restored sight to the blind; was crucified; descended into hell; rose in three days Krishna - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star; life threatened by ruling power , angel gives warning to save his life; cast out demons; healed the sick; was crucified; rose in three days Dionysis - Born of a virgin; - born December 25th; Rode an ass; turned water into wine, was crucified and eaten, to purify believers; named “King of Kings”, “Only Begotten Son”, “Savior”, “Alpha and Omega” Attis - born December 25th, body as bread eaten by worshippers, crucified for the salvation of mankind, descended into hell; rose in three days Zoroaster - Born of a virgin, astounded wise men with his wisdom as a boy; tempted in the wilderness by the devil; began ministry at age 30; cast out demons; restored sight to the blind Quetzalcoatl - Born of a virgin; tempted and fasted for 40 days, was crucified, resurrected People have been stealing other peoples writing since I am guessing it was all carved in stone literally. it must have been so easy in era's where almost no one could actually read any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jds22 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I believe those have all been debunked but I don't have time to check on it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savemefromgod Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Krishna - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star; life threatened by ruling power , angel gives warning to save his life; cast out demons; healed the sick; was crucified; rose in three days This one isn't true. Being a Hindu I was told the story of Krishna many times when I was growing up. Krishna's mother had seven children before him, so unless the claim here is that they were all virgin born, this part isn't true. I know nothing of his birth being heralded by a star, or any angel giving a warning to save his life. In fact there are no "angels" in Hinduism to speak of. Likewise the Christian concept of demons is absent; Hindu demons are physical beings, same as humans. I don't know about Krishna going on any healing ministries, he certainly wasn't crucified (unless you count being shot with an arrow as crucifixion), and I'm certain he wasn't raised back to life. I'm all for pointing to flaws in Christianity, since it's an evil religion. But it does no one any good to promulgate incorrect information. It hurts your own credibility, and it restores the faith of Christians who are considering deconversion. For your own good and that of the Christians to whom you speak, please don't repeat this claim! I'm sorry, I got the info from a documentary, which I then researched and found stuff online. Not saying you are wrong, of course: the internet can be very slanted and tends to exaggerate. Thanks for letting me know that at least that story is not completely correct. Like you said, I don't want to give xians any reason to say we are all misled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Proof of plagiarism in the Bible! This is no joke! Mithras - Born of a virgin, born December 25th. Had 12 disciples Horus - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star, life threatened by ruling power (Therut); angel gives warning to save his life; no biography from age 12-30; baptized at age 30, the baptismer was beheaded; walked on water; cast out demons; healed the sick; restored sight to the blind; was crucified; descended into hell; rose in three days Krishna - Born of a virgin, birth heralded by star; life threatened by ruling power , angel gives warning to save his life; cast out demons; healed the sick; was crucified; rose in three days Dionysis - Born of a virgin; - born December 25th; Rode an ass; turned water into wine, was crucified and eaten, to purify believers; named “King of Kings”, “Only Begotten Son”, “Savior”, “Alpha and Omega” Attis - born December 25th, body as bread eaten by worshippers, crucified for the salvation of mankind, descended into hell; rose in three days Zoroaster - Born of a virgin, astounded wise men with his wisdom as a boy; tempted in the wilderness by the devil; began ministry at age 30; cast out demons; restored sight to the blind Quetzalcoatl - Born of a virgin; tempted and fasted for 40 days, was crucified, resurrected A lot of this is highly speculative. The parallels aren't really that close. However, it is undeniable that the "savior"/sotor archetype existed well before Jesus. Zeus was also called Zeus Sotor. Attis and Osiris seem to have been faintly Jesus like, at least in the Greco-Roman understanding of those god-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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