FreeThinkerNZ Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Remember young Mr philosophy/science/(one-man version of) liberal xianity? The guy who was offended because we were so "unreasonable" and "disrespectful" to him and then left in a huff after being here for a few days in May? He appeared in chat today, and tried to re-convert us. Failed of course. Just thought you'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 What? It didn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 That one was quite entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deidre Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Wololo is awesome I wish i could physiologically annihilate ever argument like he did in chat. He is a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted August 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2014 Sorry, Florida-man (that's you, A1). Wololo is clever but certainly no match for the Ex-C Goliath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 23, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted August 23, 2014 If he were any kind of real christian, he'd show back up here in The Lion's Den. This is where the most depraved of us are, the ones most in need of saving. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanOTK Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I didn't think he was trying to convert anyone. I PMed with him for a while, and all he did was explain his perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I didn't think he was trying to convert anyone. I PMed with him for a while, and all he did was explain his perspective. I thought he had an interesting perspective, though it didn't make any logical sense to me. I tried to remain objective and civil with him, but still being stuck in the anger phase of Deconversion, some of the crazy-sounding things he said triggered an angry response from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanOTK Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I suppose it's a little easier for me, since my "anger phase" was pretty short lived. I do think some people are being unfair to him, saying he's not a "real Christian" because some of his beliefs don't match the Evangelical Protestant Christian perspective. Christianity is quite large, and Evangelical Christianity is but one perspective, and a young one at that. Wololo is "non-denominational", meaning he has come to his own conclusions, odd as some of them are, rather than following a set of beliefs laid down by a single Church (except for the Bible, compiled by the Catholic/Orthodox Church. But that's to be expected of the majority of Christians). I feel he deserves respect for that at least. He believes what he thinks is right. In the end, that's all each of us can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 I didn't think he was trying to convert anyone. I PMed with him for a while, and all he did was explain his perspective. IIRC, the holier than thou prosyletising came out after you had the left the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I didn't think he was trying to convert anyone. I PMed with him for a while, and all he did was explain his perspective. I thought he had an interesting perspective, though it didn't make any logical sense to me. I tried to remain objective and civil with him, but still being stuck in the anger phase of Deconversion, some of the crazy-sounding things he said triggered an angry response from me. I didn't think he was trying to convert anyone. I PMed with him for a while, and all he did was explain his perspective. IIRC, the holier than thou prosyletising came out after you had the left the room. Maybe that's his main tactic: trying to rile people to anger and thinking that makes him appear right and righteous. And if that doesn't work, then he just goes into self-righteous arrogance mode. It's so typical, it's transparent. You just may have hit the nail on its head. That is certainly how it appeared to me. He admitted to me that he knew that we had emotional baggage from our days as believers, so it could be that he was intentionally trying to do what you suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Wololo is awesome I wish i could physiologically annihilate ever argument like he did in chat. He is a hero Yes, Christians make the best arguments as long as it isn't being recorded. It's a lot like how God use to appear to people in person . . . before the camera was invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 He's back in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklady Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Last nights conversation was mainly around wololo trying to present WLC argument that the universe must have a cause, thus ....creator. We were asked to concede this point so he could develop his argument. I have never seen the point in allowing that point. That this universe started with a bug bang, yes pretty much scientific fact, but that we do not know what came before that is no reason to think it had to be a creator. Its is not plausible, as wololo wanted us to accept, for this this to be the case. We have nothing to show a "creator" in the known universe, so why would that become a plausible explanation for something we have, not yet anyway, any scientific data for (ie before the bug bang) . The whole of WLC argument rests on the creator as being "plausible ", something wololo failed , indeed did not even try to explain. You need to actually show why it is plausible, not just assert it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 If he were any kind of real christian, he'd show back up here in The Lion's Den. This is where the most depraved of us are, the ones most in need of saving. Final Answers for $1000 Alex. This Christian belief can also be defined as simple elegance. Beep beep What is grace? And come to think of it, grace looks good on women as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 What is grace? God's Riches At Christ's Expense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Grace is how a dancer moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted August 25, 2014 If he were any kind of real christian, he'd show back up here in The Lion's Den. This is where the most depraved of us are, the ones most in need of saving. Final Answers for $1000 Alex. This Christian belief can also be defined as simple elegance. Beep beep What is grace? And come to think of it, grace looks good on women as well.... Grace is the final answer to the problem god caused when he created evil and then entrapped us in the garden. True grace, on god's part, would have been to not cause the problem in the first place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Grace is the final answer to the problem god caused when he created evil and then entrapped us in the garden. True grace, on god's part, would have been to not cause the problem in the first place. You asked that someone come argue. My question is would it matter? Hence the grace approach. Seems like the most mature stance in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted August 25, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted August 25, 2014 Grace is the final answer to the problem god caused when he created evil and then entrapped us in the garden. True grace, on god's part, would have been to not cause the problem in the first place. You asked that someone come argue. My question is would it matter? Hence the grace approach. Seems like the most mature stance in my opinion. I did not ask that someone come argue. I simply stated that if Wololo was any kind of real christian, he would come back to The Lion's Den, where all us godless heathens are. Something jesus said about going into all the world and making disciples of all men seems relevant. Thus, your moral high road of grace and maturity is little more than the answer to your own erroneous interpretation of what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Grace is the final answer to the problem god caused when he created evil and then entrapped us in the garden. True grace, on god's part, would have been to not cause the problem in the first place. You asked that someone come argue. My question is would it matter? Hence the grace approach. Seems like the most mature stance in my opinion. I did not ask that someone come argue. I simply stated that if Wololo was any kind of real christian, he would come back to The Lion's Den, where all us godless heathens are. Something jesus said about going into all the world and making disciples of all men seems relevant. Thus, your moral high road of grace and maturity is little more than the answer to your own erroneous interpretation of what I said. Let's hope time heals us all....Hopefully for you Woohoo will come back. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You asked that someone come argue. My question is would it matter? Hence the grace approach. Seems like the most mature stance in my opinion. I find it annoying how you translate everything into grace and a relationship. We are not sheep and this isn't Sunday School. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Anyway, end, this thread is about Wololo coming to ex-c to argue, but doing it in chat and not the Lion's Den. TRP was suggesting a more appropriate place would be the Den, where more ex-cs are. Although I must admit, sparring with him in chat is particularly entertaining. I only wish more people could enjoy the spectacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You asked that someone come argue. My question is would it matter? Hence the grace approach. Seems like the most mature stance in my opinion. I find it annoying how you translate everything into grace and a relationship. We are not sheep and this isn't Sunday School. I find it annoying how you don't see that everything in this fucking universe is in a relationship you can't use anyone else's language except yours. I also find it annoying how you dismiss everything to what you believe is real. So grow up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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