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As in witchcraft, deity invoking, energetic/chakra scrambling, etc. Curious what your own experiences are with giving or receiving. I almost exclusively hear about energy healing, but recently read a bit in a book about defensive protection magick and the author describes protecting herself from a known enemy who pretends to be a friend. She says he felt her attack instantly and withdrew.

 

Most of the energy healing I've been involved with has been subtle, yet sometimes seems to make a night and day difference. I really don't even know how to go about cursing, though I can guess it still involves focused intention, will, speaking, imagination, and so on. I've heard the Wiccan rede about what you send out comes back thrice, and others who say that is baloney.

 

I bring this up because Saturday evening I encountered a guy at a show that I wanted to ruin. I've encountered him before and I've run out of negative adjectives to describe him. Vile, self-important, drunk driving, bourgeois asswipe, etc. Capping it was seeing a dear female friend cuddling with him! Part of me started right in doing all I could energetically to accomplish my hatred. But before long another voice chimed in that maybe this wasn't the best approach. I said, fuck that, I want him to keel over and die now. So on I went for a while, and then another thought popped in that perhaps there was another direction. I said, "go on..."

 

I realized that in a moment, I had learned more about my friend than I had about this guy. No mistake, the guy is shit, so what does that tell me about her? I had a roommate like this guy once, and saw the same thing with a female in our Bible study who was completely enamored with him. All of us were baffled by her devotion to a guy so completely selfish and evil. So here I was, seeing it again, aghast and saddened, and doing my ignorant best to curse the guy to death.

 

Part of me realized that I needed to detach myself from the situation to avoid poisoning myself, let her be an adult and make her own decisions, that she has the power in herself to see him for what he is and end it, or continue it and gain whatever she is getting.

 

I still want him splattered over the highway, but I don't have to be the one to bring bad mojo to him. I have peace. But I'm still interested in your thoughts about cursing.

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It works if the target believes in it.

 

It's not my bag, so not a lot to say. It seems like a pretty negative way to spend one's time and energy.

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I personally would feel very uncomfortable with wishing harm on another human being. An attitude that works better for me is to leave the person to their own misery (or not, who knows) but to wish that they would not do harm to anyone else. If I were to attempt to expend energy at a person I disliked, it would be more... of a protective wall between them any anyone they seek to decieve, use, or harm.

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Ok, I'm basically hearing restated what I already said. I already concluded that I should leave her to figure this out herself, and that me cursing the guy had more of a negative effect on me than anything. That is why I brought up the subject, not to get a resolution to him or her, but to see what your own experiences were with the issue of this kind of energy.

 

If it really is an energetic thing, I can't see how the target believing or not would make any difference. A physical thing works regardless, as does a bolt of lightning, so if directed energy can heal, can it not also damage? And if guides are real or a form of higher self, it seems that mine were quick to redirect me to a healthier way. It isn't a subject I've seen talked about much.

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Ok, I'm basically hearing restated what I already said. I already concluded that I should leave her to figure this out herself, and that me cursing the guy had more of a negative effect on me than anything. That is why I brought up the subject, not to get a resolution to him or her, but to see what your own experiences were with the issue of this kind of energy.

 

If it really is an energetic thing, I can't see how the target believing or not would make any difference. A physical thing works regardless, as does a bolt of lightning, so if directed energy can heal, can it not also damage? And if guides are real or a form of higher self, it seems that mine were quick to redirect me to a healthier way. It isn't a subject I've seen talked about much.

If you are a rationalist, you say that it works if the target believes it because we have scientific evidence for that; it's sort of a placebo effect gone wild. There is no evidence, however that curses work on those who don't believe in them.

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Hmmm… in traditional witchcraft, messing with someone's free will is something not taken lightly unless there is no other choice. (protecting your child when regular channels don't work, for example)

 

The energy put out for healing is the same for hexing, but the intent is different - but it does boomerang. Not a 3 times back thing but we all reap what we sow… negative feelings have consequences, negative feelings fostered and fed, more so.

 

careful.

 

Best bet is to use healing for her…(enhance her emotional well-being and also protective energy spells are good too) and allow her own development to deal with the asshole.

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Yeah, I didn't continue with it after realizing that it was counter to my life goals here, and even my own nature as a healer. It is spiritually "sour", to borrow a Stephen King term. But it was an interesting topic I hadn't heard discussed very much in energy circles. I learned a bit about my own self in the process, so it wasn't a total waste of time.

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We learn from everything. There's a saying in Trad Witchcraft.. "a witch that can't hex, can't heal". Wiccans are different and I have found that they... as a general rule, avoid the darker aspects of the craft. You'll find the odd older practitioner that will discuss it… maybe. Most elders keep their stuff to themselves though and are VERY unlikely to discuss that with anyone other than an apprentice.

 

What I was told is that you really can't learn well that way anyway.. trial and error with caution and prudence is best, because everyone has their own very personal ways of working with energy and the genius loci.

 

Poppets work better than you would think, though…   ;)

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Strikes me that however you want to interfere in the life of another - whether for good or ill - you need to be ready to accept the consequences.  I've never liked the mechanistic outlook of the Wiccan "threefold law"; nor would I necessarily worry overly about "negative" consequences of harming another should I judge that harm to be necessary.  But I do think that it is necessary to face up to one's own responsibility for one's actions.

 

You want to curse someone?  Easiest way is probably to start a rumour...

 

But I wouldn't recommend it without a lot of thought beforehand.

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