Castiel233 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 How do believers square the problem that Jesus said He and His father was one yet when He (Jesus) was called good, Jesus asked, why do you call me good as there is only one who is good, your father in Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipVanWinkle Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well as you know, that's not the only inconsistency in the bible. bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted September 30, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted September 30, 2014 Does that mean the holy spirit is also not good? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted September 30, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 30, 2014 How do believers square the problem that Jesus said He and His father was one yet when He (Jesus) was called good, Jesus asked, why do you call me good as there is only one who is good, your father in Heaven. Because the father in heaven is also considered good. We are the bad ones!! We screwed up...not God. It's only when we really begin to study the bible with open eyes, do we realize how 'bad' the god of the OT was. We justified absolutely EVERYTHING in the OT about god in the church I went to. He had his reasons for everything he did!! hug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
directionless Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I always thought his response was designed to make people think. I never knew exactly what we were supposed to realize after thinking about his answer, but I always assumed there was something profound he was saying. Maybe he was trying to say that everybody is God because everybody has the ability to do good, but he couldn't say that plainly without getting into trouble? (When you believe something you can think of all sorts of creative solutions to these problems. This makes it hard for me to deconvert fully.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Jesus and his father are one. Except when they are two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I always thought his response was designed to make people think. I never knew exactly what we were supposed to realize after thinking about his answer, but I always assumed there was something profound he was saying. Maybe he was trying to say that everybody is God because everybody has the ability to do good, but he couldn't say that plainly without getting into trouble? (When you believe something you can think of all sorts of creative solutions to these problems. This makes it hard for me to deconvert fully.) The 'I am in my father and you are in me' sounds very Eastern Zen kinda stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
★ Citsonga ★ Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm actually surprised at how much I recall from my years of Christian thinking, bible study, listening to sermons, and reading/research -- because I'm aware that I've forgotten so much!One interpretation I heard was that Jesus was simply making the young man question his own thinking about who he considered Jesus to be -- a mere man, such as a rabbi? or God incarnate, the Messiah?"Why do you call me 'good' when only God is good? Do you regard me as being divine?" Exactly. I always saw it as trying to get him to think about the implication of Jesus being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhim Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 How do believers square the problem that Jesus said He and His father was one yet when He (Jesus) was called good, Jesus asked, why do you call me good as there is only one who is good, your father in Heaven. Well if I were still a Calvinist evangelical, I would say something along the following lines: Jesus' statement in Mark 10:18 teaches that the Son is subordinate to the Father. This subordination is expounded upon by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, in which he states that when God subjects all things to the Son, it is clear that God (i.e. the Father) is exempt from this subjection. The "good" of Mark 10:18 refers not merely to moral perfection, but to ontological perfection. As Christ bears the likeness of sinful man, he also bears our human frailties. Note, however, that as Jesus is fully God and fully man, his divine nature is indeed "good." Anyway, back to reality. I've always thought that pointing out Bible contradictions is of limited effectiveness when trying to de-convert an evangelical. The Reformed branch of evangelical Christianity is a well-constructed house of cards, and as long as the believer thinks that it is built upon a rock rather than sand, he will stand unmoved. Better, I think, to point out the contradictions between the believer's common sense morality and the morality of the Bible. Or to put it another way: do you really think Grandpa Wayne (or insert other nice person) is going to eternal conscious torment in hell for not believing in Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, you know, that was just his human side getting all humble and telling the truth about itself and what-not. The point is put your focus on god in heaven or something. Had his divine side answered he would have said he was also good but this wasn't the time nor the place. So, yeah, human side/divine side stuff. Very complicated. You shouldn't ask about these sorts of details but instead focus on the bigger picture which is the message itself. So...just go ahead and re-read it and blindly obey what's written instead of trying to understand what's going on. mwc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centauri Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 One apologetic I encountered used a split personality theme to reconcile the problem. Jesus the man was comparing himself to God in some cases, while Jesus the God was speaking in others. He switches back and forth as expediency dictates. This apologetic is also used to answer the question: What died on the cross, Jesus the man or Jesus the God? Since God can never die, it must have been Jesus the man that died, while Jesus the God looked on from above. Of course, since (according to many sects) Jesus was fully man and fully God, it makes it easy to engage in such convoluted logic. On top of that the Trinty is defined as incomprehensible, beyond human understanding, which provides a ready escape hatch when questions become annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel233 Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Its all a "mystery" unless of course it fits in with a believers world view and then its all "the Word of God" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Its all a "mystery" unless of course it fits in with a believers world view and then its all "the Word of God" They cannot know the mind of God but they will spend hours telling you all about what you need to do to live a Godly life. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel233 Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Strange how they "know" how God wants you to live, yet refuse to live up to their own standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I thought Jesus was answering that the way he did a lot of questions, in a rabbinical way, i.e., by answering a question with another question. Good way to get out of really answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francesco Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 as most christian will tell you: it's a mystery of trinity, we cannot understand fully what is trinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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