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Here's everyone's chance to debunk this.

 

What is a relationship? What drives it? Chemistry, physics, intimate contact, the Vulcan Mind Meld?

 

Go.

 

Bring your marbles, play nicely, Mom and Dad will give us the boot if we can't keep the sand in the sandbox.

 

Blessings.

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Sorry End.  We first need a properly defined argument from you to debunk.

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You've recently claimed that (in some way) relationships are of key importance in this forum.

Therefore it's up to you to present an argument to support your claim.

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We cannot debunk anything until you make an argument for it.

That's because we don't know/understand just what it is that you want us to debunk.

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So, please make your argument.

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Thanks,

 

BAA.

 

 

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I agree with BAA.  It sounds to me more like you want to discuss/argue over what a "relationship" constitutes, rather than have us debunk anything.  You need to make a case first, or at least tell us what your idea of a "relationship" is.

 

And, sorry, I've lost my marbles.

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Here's everyone's chance to debunk this.

 

What is a relationship? What drives it? Chemistry, physics, intimate contact, the Vulcan Mind Meld?

 

Go.

 

Bring your marbles, play nicely, Mom and Dad will give us the boot if we can't keep the sand in the sandbox.

 

Blessings.

Can you say more? What kind of relationship? A friendship? A romantic relationship? The relationship between the believer and his God? The relationship between the atheist and the believer?

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end3 - how about developing a relationship with the English language? zDuivel7.gif

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End what do you want with us?

 

You must want us to say something or do something.  You keep coming back and you keep getting angry when we don't do whatever it was you want.  Well we don't know what you want.  If you won't tell us we will never know.

 

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relationship

 

As you can see the concept of relationship is too generic for love or grace to be a requirement.  California does not love Nevada nor does Nevada have grace for California.  They just share a common border.  They are areas and areas don't have emotions.  People do have emotions but there is no fixed emotional requirement for relationships between people.

 

Don't get mad at me.  I didn't invent the language.

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MM, ten bucks on him trying to find any opening to preach his End3 version of christianity.  Something along the line that god wants us to all love each other and worship him, End3 style.

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Ok, you will need the definition of communion for this exercise and a version of John 17. You make pick them up at the university book store or online. If you don't have them, copies will made available to you. Please be seated. I have to go get some coffee.

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The main question:

What is a relationship? What drives it? Chemistry, physics, intimate contact, the Vulcan Mind Meld?

 

Then the christian jumps to communion.

 

Reminds me of how he kept trying to link genetic predispositions to have an excuse for his god's genocides, while decrying the moral outrage of radical muslims who did the same thing.

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For those that have not adequately prepared, those who have chosen keg stands over preparedness, please find attached the aforementioned class material:

 

 

com·mun·ion

/kəˈmyo͞onyən/

noun

noun: communion; noun: Communion; noun: Holy Communion

1.

the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.

"in this churchyard communion with the dead was almost palpable"

 

•common participation in a mental or emotional experience.

"popular festivals where all take part in joyous communion"

 

 

synonyms: affinity, fellowship, kinship, friendship, fellow feeling, togetherness, closeness, harmony, understanding, rapport, connection, communication, empathy, accord, unity

"a sense of communion with others"

 

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the service of Christian worship at which bread and wine are consecrated and shared.

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Notice how the christian asks ex-christians to "debunk" his own version of a religious tenet.  There's nothing to debunk.  It's a religious definition, just like the 5 pilars of Islam.

 

End3:  "Here's everyone's chance to debunk this.  What is christian communion?"

 

This is exactly like a muslim coming to an ex-muslim site and asking them "Here's everyone's chance to debunk this.  What is the Five Pillars?"

 

http://www.islam101.com/dawah/pillars.html

The 'Five Pillars' of Islam are the foundation of Muslim life:

  • Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad;
  • Establishment of the daily prayers;
  • Concern for and almsgiving to the needy;
  • Self-purification through fasting; and
  • The pilgrimage to Makkah for those who are able.

Religious arguments:

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John 17 New International Version (NIV)

 

Jesus Prays to Be Glorified

 

17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

 

 

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

 

Jesus Prays for His Disciples

 

 

6 “I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[c] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

 

13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

 

Jesus Prays for All Believers

 

 

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

 

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

 

25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[e] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

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For those that have not adequately prepared, those who have chosen keg stands over preparedness, please find attached the aforementioned class material:

 

 

com·mun·ion

/kəˈmyo͞onyən/

noun

noun: communion; noun: Communion; noun: Holy Communion

1.

the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.

"in this churchyard communion with the dead was almost palpable"

 

•common participation in a mental or emotional experience.

"popular festivals where all take part in joyous communion"

 

 

synonyms: affinity, fellowship, kinship, friendship, fellow feeling, togetherness, closeness, harmony, understanding, rapport, connection, communication, empathy, accord, unity

"a sense of communion with others"

 

Here there's nothing to debunk.  It's humans enjoying the company of other humans.  Period.

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the service of Christian worship at which bread and wine are consecrated and shared.

Religious tenet.  You would need to debunk christianity (the religion itself) instead of debunking this shit.

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End, can you tie these two posts you made together into a position statement, or some kind of summary of what you are trying to say, or what it is you want us to comment on? It's not self-evident.

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Basically, life(eternal), is derived literally and figuratively through a series of relationships, the premise of this discussion.

Relationships between whom?

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End, can you tie these two posts you made together into a position statement, or some kind of summary of what you are trying to say, or what it is you want us to comment on? It's not self-evident.

<the teacher was sipping his coffee and simultaneously generating lesson plans> Please see post #17 for the class discussion summary.

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Oh dear... this is going to end badly.  I can feel it in my bones.  sad.png

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This has happened before.  Here... http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/63786-schizophrenia-and-genetics/page-25#.VEa4nfnF8ul

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I therefore have a proposal for you, End.

If you are on the level with this and wish to continue elsewhere (i.e, not in the Den) then I'm happy to help you out - wherever you want to go with this.  One option you might want to consider is re-starting this thread in an sub-forum where a more polite mode of dialog is expected.  Like the Coliseum or the Theological Issues area.  Or if you want to PM me, that's ok too.

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I'll monitor things here for now, but if they go bad (as I suspect they might) then I'm out.

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With all due respect to all involved parties,

 

BAA.

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Basically, life(eternal), is derived literally and figuratively through a series of relationships, the premise of this discussion.

Relationships between whom?

 

"those relationships that generate life"...both literal and figurative. Relationships between atoms and/or relationships between people...or potentially even larger scale.

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Oh dear... this is going to end badly.  I can feel it in my bones.  sad.png

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This has happened before.  Here... http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/63786-schizophrenia-and-genetics/page-25#.VEa4nfnF8ul

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I therefore have a proposal for you, End.

If you are on the level with this and wish to continue elsewhere (i.e, not in the Den) then I'm happy to help you out - wherever you want to go with this.  One option you might want to consider is re-starting this thread in an sub-forum where a more polite mode of dialog is expected.  Like the Coliseum or the Theological Issues area.  Or if you want to PM me, that's ok too.

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I'll monitor things here for now, but if they go bad (as I suspect they might) then I'm out.

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With all due respect to all involved parties,

 

BAA.

I concur.

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Basically, life(eternal), is derived literally and figuratively through a series of relationships, the premise of this discussion.

Prove it.

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Oh dear... this is going to end badly.  I can feel it in my bones.  sad.png

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This has happened before.  Here... http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/63786-schizophrenia-and-genetics/page-25#.VEa4nfnF8ul

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I therefore have a proposal for you, End.

If you are on the level with this and wish to continue elsewhere (i.e, not in the Den) then I'm happy to help you out - wherever you want to go with this.  One option you might want to consider is re-starting this thread in an sub-forum where a more polite mode of dialog is expected.  Like the Coliseum or the Theological Issues area.  Or if you want to PM me, that's ok too.

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I'll monitor things here for now, but if they go bad (as I suspect they might) then I'm out.

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With all due respect to all involved parties,

 

BAA.

It's my hopes that we take is somewhat serious. Thanks.

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Well on a positive note I am glad there is a dedicated thread for all of this.  Now it can remain here.  There is no need to hijack or derail other threads and interject the topic of this thread, whatever that topic happens to be.

 

 

Communion isn't that complicated.  It's the ceremony where Protestants drink juice and eat a cracker in remembrance of the Calvary story.  Or the ceremony where Catholics drink a sip of wine and eat a cracker while pretending to be cannibals.

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