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Why Do You Fear Hell (And Any God)?


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This is in the Den because I don't give a damn about PC.  I suppose this is for ex-cs or anyone who fears the question 'what if I'm wrong and hell (of any kind) is real after all?'

 

Burning forever and ever, with nothing to stop it.  Ok, sure, I've suffered burns, and to have your whole body consumed in flames is something I'd rather not face.  I'd rather not face any bullets, or drowning, or death by asphyxiation. 

 

I suppose it's one of the questions everyone faces when they're thinking of jumping ship from their current religion. 

 

Here's the answer I gave to the void.

 

I'm human, 1 man.  I have no super powers that I can see.  I only affect a small portion of earth, and I will only affect it for a very small amount of time.  Do I fear death?  Yes I suppose so, being buried alive or drowning scares me the most. 

 

So what then?  Being SDA, I'll face the SDA god, and SDA theology teaches I'll be killed in yeshitwa's 2nd coming and then raised up when he returns a 3rd time (bit of their beliefs: jeshitwa comes to earth to save his people > zooms to heaven and allows his folks to see the bad stuff the dead's done for 1000yrs > returns to earth and establishes heaven here permanently)

 

So there I am, resurrected in the resurrection of the damned.  And jeshitwa judges that I be fit for hell (annihilation hell, not burning forever, but fuck the details). 

 

I've taken stock of my life until now.  No, I'm no saint.  I am very clear in my intent, you will know if I am happy or angry with you and I could care less about being PC in most cases (work area... yeah I'll care heh).  I suppose I've lived like an average human up to this point.

 

But this being has seen fit to send me off to hell.  I've studied the bible from cover to cover, I'm well versed in it.  I see his clear directives of cruelty, his people's contradicting interpretations, his apologists' deliberate misdirections and outright lies, his narcissism, his pettiness. 

 

Clearly he's got the power, not me.  What the fuck could I do against any god? 

 

At this point, I asked myself 'am I at peace with the way I've lived my life and am I at peace with my decisions?'  The answer was yes.  Look at the Den.  Look at the apologists who come here and pretend to only want 'conversation' but instead preach on and on.  Wololo, End3, SB, I've seen Thumby dodge her SDA roots, IH deliberately play word games a thousand times over.  And this is just Ex-C's apologists.  I've met preachers, pastors, elders who would lie to one's face and not give a damn about it, because it's for jesus.

 

Yet they're all claiming they're going to heaven.  That's the character of the people going, and I'm instead go to hell to burn. 

 

I am at peace with myself, so if I'm one of those resistance fighters being put in the heavenly nazi firing line, so be it.  I am at peace.  It's my peace from within, not any peace that any deity's given me. 

 

Ever since I've made that final straw, I guess I've lived my life with that inner peace, because it's being at peace with the person I interact with the most, me. 

 

Comments, flames, hate speech, bring it on, it's the Den, don't be PC in this thread.

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Roz… I feel ya. I've had many of the same thoughts… and it's liberating damn it!  I can finally live a life free from shame, and speak my mind (in proper venues) fearlessly.

 

It is peace. I sleep well… finally. And I like myself…finally.

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Here's to being at peace. 

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I got over my emotional indoctrination through humor.  Specifically I watched comedians mock God until the fear had no power over me.

 

 

As for fearing gods I lost my fear of them when I heard about the godeater.  A godeater is defined as something that is real and can catch and consume all gods in existence.  By definition it is real so it catches and kills any gods that exist anywhere.  Now gods are no longer a problem.

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PC or not, I agree with all your statements!   GONZ9729CustomImage1539775.gif  

 

My final straw in christinsanity was right after my first child was born.   I knew I would/could never EVER throw him in a flaming hot fire no matter what.  I was responsible for loving, teaching, and leading by example and if he screwed up, I would try harder.   The astounding revelation was "WTF?  Am I a better parent than god?"   The answer was YES.  

 

 

And yeah, those comedians who mock god and silly beliefs---love 'em!

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PC or not, I agree with all your statements!   GONZ9729CustomImage1539775.gif  

 

My final straw in christinsanity was right after my first child was born.   I knew I would/could never EVER throw him in a flaming hot fire no matter what.  I was responsible for loving, teaching, and leading by example and if he screwed up, I would try harder.   The astounding revelation was "WTF?  Am I a better parent than god?"   The answer was YES.  

 

 

And yeah, those comedians who mock god and silly beliefs---love 'em!

This.

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This is in the Den because I don't give a damn about PC. ...

 

And that alone is worth a reputation point in my book.

 

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

How you interpret is you own decision, personally I am not too sure that it doesn't mean when man thinks he is wise that scares the LORD, but that is merely my opinion which is subject to change, (what I can't renew myself in the knowledge of the truth?)

However, consider this, so when you say there is no God, are you not saying that I have no right to life, or liberty or the pursuit of happiness because God and his truths are a load of manure?   

 

I suppose this is for ex-cs or anyone who fears the question 'what if I'm wrong and hell (of any kind) is real after all?'

 

 

Its not the questions I worry about but the answers.  But you did ask in another post if I believe that Jesus was born as written in the Book of Luke,  My faith holds that he was born as a result of an act of procreation, being a process that produces life, which should be self-evident.   But if random mutations occur which resulted to produce man another species then how can the evolutionist deny that it wasn't one such case if random means anything possible.  Likewise how can the creationist claim that Mary wasn't married to Joseph when they were espoused like David was espoused to his wife in the old Testament after he bought her for 40 foreskins.    But each are entitled to the right to their opinion as the next person, yet am I?   

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What the hell are you saying?  Sorry, but maybe it's the grammar, I don't get it.

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

 

This, of course, is a lie.

 

 

 

However, consider this, so when you say there is no God, are you not saying that I have no right to life, or liberty or the pursuit of happiness because God and his truths are a load of manure? 

 

That is not what "there is no God" means.  Rest easy.

 

 

 

 But each are entitled to the right to their opinion as the next person, yet am I?   

 

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, even if it was that nonsense about the 40 mutilated penises.

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

 

How you interpret is you own decision, personally I am not too sure that it doesn't mean when man thinks he is wise that scares the LORD, but that is merely my opinion which is subject to change, (what I can't renew myself in the knowledge of the truth?)

 

However, consider this, so when you say there is no God, are you not saying that I have no right to life, or liberty or the pursuit of happiness because God and his truths are a load of manure?   

 

If you read thru this thread carefully Justus you'll find that nobody has written that there is no God.

If you are saying that any person contributing to this thread has said that elsewhere, then the onus is on you to cite where and when they did so.  

 

Speaking only for myself... I am an Atheist.

Therefore, I do NOT say that there is no God.  No.  I simply reject the claims of those who say that there IS a God.  The burden of proof is on the claim-makers to make good and provide evidence to back up their claims.   And, unless I'm reading you wrong... that would be you.

 

I suppose this is for ex-cs or anyone who fears the question 'what if I'm wrong and hell (of any kind) is real after all?'

 

 

Its not the questions I worry about but the answers.  But you did ask in another post if I believe that Jesus was born as written in the Book of Luke,  My faith holds that he was born as a result of an act of procreation, being a process that produces life, which should be self-evident.   But if random mutations occur which resulted to produce man another species then how can the evolutionist deny that it wasn't one such case if random means anything possible.  Likewise how can the creationist claim that Mary wasn't married to Joseph when they were espoused like David was espoused to his wife in the old Testament after he bought her for 40 foreskins.    But each are entitled to the right to their opinion as the next person, yet am I?   

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Another part to this: all our friends who died outside ChristInsanity are not now burning forever and ever. Not my bisexual friend who died of AIDS. Not the coworker who died of a brain injury. Not the wife of a friend dead of complications to diabetes, or many more. They're not artificially sustained for the purpose of torture: they just aren't anymore, and that's ok.

Its a huge relief, actually.

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Another part to this: all our friends who died outside ChristInsanity are not now burning forever and ever. Not my bisexual friend who died of AIDS. Not the coworker who died of a brain injury. Not the wife of a friend dead of complications to diabetes, or many more. They're not artificially sustained for the purpose of torture: they just aren't anymore, and that's ok.

Its a huge relief, actually.

 

Yes so much.  The idea that God would artificially sustain somebody (good wording because that is exactly what it would be) for the sole purpose of torturing them forever is the most evil concept ever.  No good being could ever do such a thing and this is a fundamental contradiction in Christianity.  It's why Christians work so hard to convince themselves of the nonsensical idea that everybody going to hell choose to be artificially sustained so they can be tortured forever.

 

Of course what is really happening is that hell scares the Christian so bad they will jump through this mental obstacle corse because they were told it's the only way to not be tortured forever and ever.

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

 

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Therefore, all who do not fear this LORD cannot have wisdom?

 

There are millions of humans who do not fear this LORD who have wisdom.

 

Your claim is refuted.  It is a lie.

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Yet they're all claiming they're going to heaven.  That's the character of the people going, and I'm instead go to hell to burn. 

 

There is no such thing as a Christian going to hell.  They're all going to heaven, and 'we' are going to hell.  That's just the way the Christian thinks.  Anyone who isn't like them is wrong.  "If you aren't with us, you're against us"  They think of themselves as different and separate from anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do.  

 

It's just the same old prejudice and hate that makes the world go round, the same old pro-genocide, pro gay-bashing, pro-fear and pro-division.  The funny thing is, they aren't any different than 'the evil world', they are very much a part of it's hate.

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

 

[snipped remaining of post because it is gibberish]

 

Therefore, all who do not fear this LORD cannot have wisdom?

 

There are millions of humans who do not fear this LORD who have wisdom.

 

Your claim is refuted.  It is a lie.

 

 

He's probably using a secret definition of the word "wisdom", but won't let us in on what that secret definition is.

 

What we think of as wisdom might not fit with the secret definition he is using, therefore, in his mind, his claim has not been refuted and is true.

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Yet they're all claiming they're going to heaven.  That's the character of the people going, and I'm instead go to hell to burn. 

 

There is no such thing as a Christian going to hell.  They're all going to heaven, and 'we' are going to hell.  That's just the way the Christian thinks.  Anyone who isn't like them is wrong.  "If you aren't with us, you're against us"  They think of themselves as different and separate from anyone who doesn't believe the same as they do.  

 

It's just the same old prejudice and hate that makes the world go round, the same old pro-genocide, pro gay-bashing, pro-fear and pro-division.  The funny thing is, they aren't any different than 'the evil world', they are very much a part of it's hate.

 

Xenophobia has deep roots within nearly all carbon-based life that has ever existed on this planet.  For social species, tribalism (e.g., social xenophobia) also has a long history.

 

It is not surprising at all that many religions would promote xenophobia and tribalism.

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The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

 

[snipped remaining of post because it is gibberish]

 

Therefore, all who do not fear this LORD cannot have wisdom?

 

There are millions of humans who do not fear this LORD who have wisdom.

 

Your claim is refuted.  It is a lie.

 

 

He's probably using a secret definition of the word "wisdom", but won't let us in on what that secret definition is.

 

What we think of as wisdom might not fit with the secret definition he is using, therefore, in his mind, his claim has not been refuted and is true.

 

I suspect it is likely that he hasn't even thought much about the meaning of the word "wisdom" in his claim, or, as you say, he has a special definition for that word, such as "wisdom" means belief in a particular sky fairy, specifically the LORD, and adherence to all related dogma.

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Xenophobia has deep roots within nearly all carbon-based life that has ever existed on this planet.  For social species, tribalism (e.g., social xenophobia) also has a long history.

 

 

It is not surprising at all that many religions would promote xenophobia and tribalism.

 

I don't know the direction we're going as a species but seems to me those are becoming outdated now.  Maybe to survive we'll have to start working together.

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Xenophobia has deep roots within nearly all carbon-based life that has ever existed on this planet.  For social species, tribalism (e.g., social xenophobia) also has a long history.

 

 

It is not surprising at all that many religions would promote xenophobia and tribalism.

 

I don't know the direction we're going as a species but seems to me those are becoming outdated now.  Maybe to survive we'll have to start working together.

 

Good points.  I agree.

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The concept can spook me from now and then, but if I am given the choice to kiss Yahweh's church floor and spend eternity with him or I think honestly for myself and get roasted for eternity in Yahweh's majestic fireplace, I would go for the latter. I am not the person that is willing to pretend.

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The concept can spook me from now and then, but if I am given the choice to kiss Yahweh's church floor and spend eternity with him or I think honestly for myself and get roasted for eternity in Yahweh's majestic fireplace, I would go for the latter. I am not the person that is willing to pretend.

That false dichotomy, (i) believe/be saved/go to heaven otherwise (ii) burn in hell, is one of the Great Lies of the Christian religion.

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The concept can spook me from now and then, but if I am given the choice to kiss Yahweh's church floor and spend eternity with him or I think honestly for myself and get roasted for eternity in Yahweh's majestic fireplace, I would go for the latter. I am not the person that is willing to pretend.

That false dichotomy, (i) believe/be saved/go to heaven otherwise (ii) burn in hell, is one of the Great Lies of the Christian religion.

 

Hell is a concept spanning many religions, the idea of punishment in the afterlife for deeds done in this life.  Many people are surprised to find out Buddhism has the concept as well.  The problem seems to be the mixing of old ideas in modern society, often they don't mix and cause problems.  Maybe they worked in a different time and place, but obviously it's not healthy for a modern person to believe they're going to be tortured for eternity if they don't act or believe right.

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"The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom"

 

So these atheists must be christians living in fear...?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology

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