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Still waiting for you to establish the historicity of Genesis, Wololo!

 

Here's something to read while you wait on a reply from Wololo.

 

Not a Christian site:

http://atheism.about.com/od/Bible-Study-Pentateuch/a/Book-Genesis-Intro.htm

 

 

If you want to do the right and moral and Christian thing Ironhorse, you'll first own up to being a trolling, untrustworthy promise-breaker before engaging any other dialog with me or anyone else.

 

http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/65391-what-defines-and-drives-a-relationship/page-16#.VFJd5jSsWnI

 

Posted Today, 01:28 AM

ironhorse, on 29 Oct 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:snapback.png

 

florduh, on 29 Oct 2014 - 8:18 PM, said:snapback.png

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

 

 

Since you're so concerned about the lurkers Ironhorse, no doubt you'll want them to know the truth about you?

 

That you can't be trusted, that you break your promises and that you've had a thread shut down for trolling, right?

 

So, here's your chance to fess up to these things.

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The lurkers will now want to see how much this Christian loves the truth!

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Jesus said he came for the weak, the simple, the fishermen. The wise people will think they know better. Jesus didn't come for the wise, he came for the simple. The stupid. The wise think they know better than god.

 

 

 

"I reject your attempt at guilting me."

 

"I'm not simple so I guess I'm excempt."

 

"I'm not a fisherman. I'm a an IT professional. Sooo...."

 

"There's a reason the wise people will think they know better...."

 

"I'd rather discuss this with God than one of his peons. Can you summon him, please?"

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The focus of Jesus was on the downtrodden of society. We tend to put down and oppress the weak, the stupid, and the poor. During his life, Jesus was focused on taking care of them. His message was very simple and his actions should speak for themselves. The problem in this case is that the wise tend to oppress the stupid. The problem is not even that the wise tend to think themselves better than God. They tend to put their intellect before the needs of other people. It's a matter of exalting intellect above everything else. There is nothing wrong with wisdom itself, the problem is that we tend to treat it like it's all that matters, to the detriment of others.

 

You'd have to do better than "there is no good reason to think a god exists". That sounds like an argument from incredulity. If you don't feel the evidence is sufficient for you, that's fine, but don't say that applies to 'the wise' in general or you're going to need to prove it.

If you look at history, you will find it is not the wise who oppress, but it is the wise who are persecuted and oppressed. The wise are often the critics of those in power. It is not the wise, but those in power who oppress. Why? Because they have the power to do so.

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How do you ex-c's respond to this. I was just hit with it.

 

Jesus said he came for the weak, the simple, the fishermen. The wise people will think they know better. Jesus didn't come for the wise, he came for the simple. The stupid. The wise think they know better than god.

 

I said it was a cop-out. That Jesus only targeted the simple and the weak because they were the ones he could fool. The wise see right through the charade. Its like they love being the ignorant ones. Blissful ignorance as it were. How do you counter?

 

 

As a Christian, this is my response.

 

He presented a simple message so all people can understand it. 

People from all walks of life and educational levels.

 

The simplicity of his message is what makes it such good news.

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It is for the simple, alright. So simple that they actually believe that god would punish to wise by tricking them into not believing. What was their sin? Being wise, which god made them to begin with according to christian doctrine. It doesn't make sense.  Rip

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It is for the simple, alright. So simple that they actually believe that god would punish to wise by tricking them into not believing. What was their sin? Being wise, which god made them to begin with according to christian doctrine. It doesn't make sense.  Rip

 

 

What trick?

 

Because God presented something simple you see it as a trick?

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In Mark 4:10-13 Jesus' disciples asked him why he spoke in parables. He explained that it was so that those that were without (that is those outside the special chosen few of the many that were called) wouldn't perceive what he was saying nor understand, lest at any time (I would suppose that this means anytime) they would convert and be forgiven. He wanted them ignorant, blind, and unforgiven. Kind of takes a dump on John 3:16, doesn't it?

 

No trickery here:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

To keep it all in context, he then goes on to explain how most of the word sown will be scorched or choked or die on the rocks it lands on. Kind of takes a dump on his word not returning to him void, doesn't it?

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In Mark 4:10-13 Jesus' disciples asked him why he spoke in parables. He explained that it was so that those that were without (that is those outside the special chosen few of the many that were called) wouldn't perceive what he was saying nor understand, lest at any time (I would suppose that this means anytime) they would convert and be forgiven. He wanted them ignorant, blind, and unforgiven. Kind of takes a dump on John 3:16, doesn't it?

 

No trickery here:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

To keep it all in context, he then goes on to explain how most of the word sown will be scorched or choked or die on the rocks it lands on. Kind of takes a dump on his word not returning to him void, doesn't it?

 

 

Where does it say Jesus wanted people ignorant, blind, and unforgiven?

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In Mark 4:10-13 Jesus' disciples asked him why he spoke in parables. He explained that it was so that those that were without (that is those outside the special chosen few of the many that were called) wouldn't perceive what he was saying nor understand, lest at any time (I would suppose that this means anytime) they would convert and be forgiven. He wanted them ignorant, blind, and unforgiven. Kind of takes a dump on John 3:16, doesn't it?

 

No trickery here:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

To keep it all in context, he then goes on to explain how most of the word sown will be scorched or choked or die on the rocks it lands on. Kind of takes a dump on his word not returning to him void, doesn't it?

 

 

Where does it say Jesus wanted people ignorant, blind, and unforgiven?

 

 

In the verses I quoted, dumb ass. Can you read?

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In Mark 4:10-13 Jesus' disciples asked him why he spoke in parables. He explained that it was so that those that were without (that is those outside the special chosen few of the many that were called) wouldn't perceive what he was saying nor understand, lest at any time (I would suppose that this means anytime) they would convert and be forgiven. He wanted them ignorant, blind, and unforgiven. Kind of takes a dump on John 3:16, doesn't it?

 

No trickery here:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

To keep it all in context, he then goes on to explain how most of the word sown will be scorched or choked or die on the rocks it lands on. Kind of takes a dump on his word not returning to him void, doesn't it?

 

 

Where does it say Jesus wanted people ignorant, blind, and unforgiven?

 

 

In the verses I quoted, dumb ass. Can you read?

 

 

 

From Mark 4:

 

“Are you listening to this? Really listening?”

 

When they were off by themselves, those who were close to him, along with the Twelve, asked about the stories. He told them, “You’ve been given insight into God’s kingdom—you know how it works. But to those who can’t see it yet, everything comes in stories, creating readiness, nudging them toward receptive insight. These are people—

 

Whose eyes are open but don’t see a thing,

Whose ears are open but don’t understand a word,

Who avoid making an about-face and getting forgiven.”

 

 He continued, “Do you see how this story works? All my stories work this way.

 

“The farmer plants the Word. Some people are like the seed that falls on the hardened soil of the road. No sooner do they hear the Word than Satan snatches away what has been planted in them.

 

 “And some are like the seed that lands in the gravel. When they first hear the Word, they respond with great enthusiasm. But there is such shallow soil of character that when the emotions wear off and some difficulty arrives, there is nothing to show for it.

 

 “The seed cast in the weeds represents the ones who hear the kingdom news but are overwhelmed with worries about all the things they have to do and all the things they want to get. The stress strangles what they heard, and nothing comes of it.

 

“But the seed planted in the good earth represents those who hear the Word, embrace it, and produce a harvest beyond their wildest dreams.”

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"... These are people—

 

Whose eyes are open but don’t see a thing,
Whose ears are open but don’t understand a word,
Who avoid making an about-face and getting forgiven.”

 

 He continued, “Do you see how this story works? All my stories work this way..."

 

You can post crap like this, Ironhorse?  You have no Bible. You have whichever version seems to agree with what you want to say at this point in the thread. They don't all agree with each other to the jot and tittle.  Plus, what you said is nothing more than what I said.

 

If there is One True Bible™,  please let us know what it is.  In the meantime, shut up about what it says.

 

 

Oh, and you have ignored the point of my post #34 very well.  Congrats.

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“The farmer plants the Word. Some people are like the seed that falls on the hardened soil of the road. No sooner do they hear the Word than Satan snatches away what has been planted in them.

 

<snip>

 

So why must I be tortured for eternity? It's clearly the devil that snatched that "which have been planted" away.

 

As a believer I couldn't get why god just can't sort the devil out once and for all? Now however there is only one answer that answers this question and actually all my other questions. The whole thing is bullshit.

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As a believer I couldn't get why god just can't sort the devil out once and for all? Now however there is only one answer that answers this question and actually all my other questions. The whole thing is bullshit.

It's a generational thing.....youtube.com/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk

 

Here what is written, which is why we evolve.......Eccl 3:18

 

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2
 
 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost .Titus 3:5
 
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As a believer I couldn't get why god just can't sort the devil out once and for all? Now however there is only one answer that answers this question and actually all my other questions. The whole thing is bullshit.

It's a generational thing.....youtube.com/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm not going to watch a youtube video. I have to save my bandwidth for porn.

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Still waiting for you to establish the historicity of Genesis, Wololo!

 

Here's something to read while you wait on a reply from Wololo.

 

Not a Christian site:

http://atheism.about.com/od/Bible-Study-Pentateuch/a/Book-Genesis-Intro.htm

 

 

If you want to do the right and moral and Christian thing Ironhorse, you'll first own up to being a trolling, untrustworthy promise-breaker before engaging any other dialog with me or anyone else.

 

http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/65391-what-defines-and-drives-a-relationship/page-16#.VFJd5jSsWnI

 

Posted Today, 01:28 AM

ironhorse, on 29 Oct 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:snapback.png

 

florduh, on 29 Oct 2014 - 8:18 PM, said:snapback.png

The men who wrote the Bible say that men have two arms and two legs. Men actually DO have two arms and two legs; therefore the Bible is the Word of God!

 

Got it, dumbass?

 

(See, the Den was the right place for this all along. I hope some lurkers can learn a lesson from reading it.)

 

 

I agree. I am praying the lurkers are reading these posts.

 

 

Since you're so concerned about the lurkers Ironhorse, no doubt you'll want them to know the truth about you?

 

That you can't be trusted, that you break your promises and that you've had a thread shut down for trolling, right?

 

So, here's your chance to fess up to these things.

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The lurkers will now want to see how much this Christian loves the truth!

 

 

The answer... not much.

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Please take note folks!

 

Ironhorse loves the sound of his own posts (i.e., trolling) more than he loves the truth.

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As a believer I couldn't get why god just can't sort the devil out once and for all? Now however there is only one answer that answers this question and actually all my other questions. The whole thing is bullshit.

It's a generational thing.....youtube.com/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk

 

Here what is written, which is why we evolve.......Eccl 3:18

 

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2
 
 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost .Titus 3:5
 

 

 

Genesis 1 : 1 = Fail.

 

Therefore, Rom 12: 2 and Titus 3:5 = Fail.

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From Mark 4:

 

“Are you listening to this? Really listening?”

 

When they were off by themselves, those who were close to him, along with the Twelve, asked about the stories. He told them, “You’ve been given insight into God’s kingdom—you know how it works. But to those who can’t see it yet, everything comes in stories, creating readiness, nudging them toward receptive insight. These are people—

 

Whose eyes are open but don’t see a thing,

Whose ears are open but don’t understand a word,

Who avoid making an about-face and getting forgiven.”

 

 He continued, “Do you see how this story works? All my stories work this way.

 

“The farmer plants the Word. Some people are like the seed that falls on the hardened soil of the road. No sooner do they hear the Word than Satan snatches away what has been planted in them.

 

 “And some are like the seed that lands in the gravel. When they first hear the Word, they respond with great enthusiasm. But there is such shallow soil of character that when the emotions wear off and some difficulty arrives, there is nothing to show for it.

 

 “The seed cast in the weeds represents the ones who hear the kingdom news but are overwhelmed with worries about all the things they have to do and all the things they want to get. The stress strangles what they heard, and nothing comes of it.

 

“But the seed planted in the good earth represents those who hear the Word, embrace it, and produce a harvest beyond their wildest dreams.”

I guess I have a little different take on the passages than others.

 

So in the parable of the Sower and the Seed, it is written,by seeing they will not see, and by hearing they will not hear. This is obvious so that the mystery to the parable remain mysterious. So why does Luke go and give it up in Luke 8:11, "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God", so wouldn't the Sower be those who have the received that which as written in John 3:27. I can recall that scripture because of the Chevy 327, small but powerful engine.

Not only is reading important, but seeing how everyone on the planet who knows how to read, only learned to read by the assistance of another, it isn't a random but rather a procreative act which drives progress in 1 John 2:27. [Funny thing, if you took the 1 from in front of John and give it back to the two, it would add up to John 3:27. Of course that has nothing to do with anything but by seeing they might see and by adding things together they can add it up themselves.]

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From Mark 4:

 

“Are you listening to this? Really listening?”

 

When they were off by themselves, those who were close to him, along with the Twelve, asked about the stories. He told them, “You’ve been given insight into God’s kingdom—you know how it works. But to those who can’t see it yet, everything comes in stories, creating readiness, nudging them toward receptive insight. These are people—

 

Whose eyes are open but don’t see a thing,

Whose ears are open but don’t understand a word,

Who avoid making an about-face and getting forgiven.”

 

 He continued, “Do you see how this story works? All my stories work this way.

 

“The farmer plants the Word. Some people are like the seed that falls on the hardened soil of the road. No sooner do they hear the Word than Satan snatches away what has been planted in them.

 

 “And some are like the seed that lands in the gravel. When they first hear the Word, they respond with great enthusiasm. But there is such shallow soil of character that when the emotions wear off and some difficulty arrives, there is nothing to show for it.

 

 “The seed cast in the weeds represents the ones who hear the kingdom news but are overwhelmed with worries about all the things they have to do and all the things they want to get. The stress strangles what they heard, and nothing comes of it.

 

“But the seed planted in the good earth represents those who hear the Word, embrace it, and produce a harvest beyond their wildest dreams.”

I guess I have a little different take on the passages than others.

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Good thing we have Justus here to clear this up or Ironhorse might have led us all astray.

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Genesis 1 : 1 = Fail.

 

Therefore, Rom 12: 2 and Titus 3:5 = Fail.

Kinda of like your inflation theory replacing the big bang and the primordial atom?????

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Good thing we have Justus here to clear this up or Ironhorse might have led us all astray.

Actually Ironhorse was trying to give ya'll a blessing, I simply took ya'lls for myself.

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Genesis 1 : 1 = Fail.

 

Therefore, Rom 12: 2 and Titus 3:5 = Fail.

Kinda of like your inflation theory replacing the big bang and the primordial atom?????

 

 

Not at all.

 

Scripture is believed by faith, not evidence.

 

Inflation is backed up by evidence, not faith.

 

Totally different.

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Good thing we have Justus here to clear this up or Ironhorse might have led us all astray.

Actually Ironhorse was trying to give ya'll a blessing, I simply took ya'lls for myself.

 

 

No, Ironhorse is an untrustworthy, promise-breaking troll.

 

And I have the evidence to prove it.

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Good thing we have Justus here to clear this up or Ironhorse might have led us all astray.

Actually Ironhorse was trying to give ya'll a blessing, I simply took ya'lls for myself.

 

 

I've committed the unforgivable sin. Something so bad that god says he will never forgive anyone who does this. 

 

If Ironhorse is trying to bless me then he is a better person than god himself. 

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How do you ex-c's respond to this. I was just hit with it.

 

Jesus said he came for the weak, the simple, the fishermen. The wise people will think they know better. Jesus didn't come for the wise, he came for the simple. The stupid. The wise think they know better than god.

 

I said it was a cop-out. That Jesus only targeted the simple and the weak because they were the ones he could fool. The wise see right through the charade. Its like they love being the ignorant ones. Blissful ignorance as it were. How do you counter?

 

 

As a Christian, this is my response.

 

He presented a simple message so all people can understand it. 

People from all walks of life and educational levels.

 

The simplicity of his message is what makes it such good news.

 

And yet there are 41,000 different ways in which people understand god's "simple" message.  Seriously, if it were such good news, surely there would only be one way of understanding it.  Go home, TinPony, you're drunk and dishonest.

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In Mark 4:10-13 Jesus' disciples asked him why he spoke in parables. He explained that it was so that those that were without (that is those outside the special chosen few of the many that were called) wouldn't perceive what he was saying nor understand, lest at any time (I would suppose that this means anytime) they would convert and be forgiven. He wanted them ignorant, blind, and unforgiven. Kind of takes a dump on John 3:16, doesn't it?

 

No trickery here:

10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

 

To keep it all in context, he then goes on to explain how most of the word sown will be scorched or choked or die on the rocks it lands on. Kind of takes a dump on his word not returning to him void, doesn't it?

 

 

Where does it say Jesus wanted people ignorant, blind, and unforgiven?

 

 

In the verses I quoted, dumb ass. Can you read?

 

 

 

From Mark 4:

 

“Are you listening to this? Really listening?”

 

When they were off by themselves, those who were close to him, along with the Twelve, asked about the stories. He told them, “You’ve been given insight into God’s kingdom—you know how it works. But to those who can’t see it yet, everything comes in stories, creating readiness, nudging them toward receptive insight. These are people—

 

Whose eyes are open but don’t see a thing,

Whose ears are open but don’t understand a word,

Who avoid making an about-face and getting forgiven.”

 

 He continued, “Do you see how this story works? All my stories work this way.

 

“The farmer plants the Word. Some people are like the seed that falls on the hardened soil of the road. No sooner do they hear the Word than Satan snatches away what has been planted in them.

 

 “And some are like the seed that lands in the gravel. When they first hear the Word, they respond with great enthusiasm. But there is such shallow soil of character that when the emotions wear off and some difficulty arrives, there is nothing to show for it.

 

 “The seed cast in the weeds represents the ones who hear the kingdom news but are overwhelmed with worries about all the things they have to do and all the things they want to get. The stress strangles what they heard, and nothing comes of it.

 

“But the seed planted in the good earth represents those who hear the Word, embrace it, and produce a harvest beyond their wildest dreams.”

 

You promoted this same religious dogma and nonsense months ago on this forum in another thread.  You were taken to task about it by several posters and, like most proselytizing and duplicitous theists, your ran away and hid yourself without response, only to appear now with the exact same religious dogma and nonsense.

 

 

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