FreeThinkerNZ Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 "Grace is the knowledge of inseparability, and of us. This life is nothing short of an ennobling rekindling of joyous stardust. The goal of expanding wave functions is to plant the seeds of intuition rather than greed. We are in the midst of a higher refining of science that will enable us to access the quantum matrix itself. Learning requires exploration. By flowering, we exist. To roam the mission is to become one with it. Where there is discontinuity, flow cannot thrive. Delusion is the antithesis of wonder. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a condensing of our lives if we are going to survive." I thought this might get someone's attention, maybe end can help us understand grace. This is just one of the many enlightening quotes you too can generate here: http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Wow... Reading that caused smoke to pour from my ears and fill the room with the scent of burnt oatmeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I always thought "grace" was unmerited favor. That is a Christian definition though. We all merit favor and we all are recipients of grace, every day, by virtue of being alive and aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I suppose "grace" has different definitions for different people. I think that grace is living in freedom and awareness; being happy in spite of temporary outward circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
directionless Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Christianity usually defines grace as God making it easier for humans to attain salvation. That is a more specific meaning of your definition. Most people probably expect your definition of grace to more closely match Christianity's definition, so we get confused IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
directionless Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 This is just one of the many enlightening quotes you too can generate here:http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/[/size] It would be interesting to write a bot similar to this BS generator that would even reply to people by using keywords in the questions to generate BS answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 6, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2014 All I can say is that materialism is the antithesis of grace. You must take a stand against delusion. Materialism is born in the gap where conscious living has been excluded. I think I just vomited a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnFundEd Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 When you stop believing in Calvinism (or in Hell) you stop being impressed by the concept of grace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 6, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2014 We are in the midst of a Vedic deepening of growth that will align us with the infinite itself. (I really do need to get in touch with Deepak's publisher!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. Then wouldn't the first step towards more adequate communication be that all of us conform to an agreed standard of communication? Rather than one person insisting that everyone else conform to his unique mode of communication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? How can we accept the shortcomings in others if (using your own words) we're unable to adequately understand another's perspective? To accept those shortcomings you first have to adequately understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 6, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks for pointing me to the bullshit generator. I can see it dominating my presence of Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? How can we accept the shortcomings in others if (using your own words) we're unable to adequately understand another's perspective? To accept those shortcomings you first have to adequately understand them. Exactly, that is why I have been "preaching" to know the other person via "communion".....the definition that satisfies "sharing details". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks for pointing me to the bullshit generator. I can see it dominating my presence of Facebook. It probably beats soft food at the senior center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Are we really having a serious discussion based on what a bullshit generator said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? How can we accept the shortcomings in others if (using your own words) we're unable to adequately understand another's perspective? To accept those shortcomings you first have to adequately understand them. Exactly, that is why I have been "preaching" to know the other person via "communion".....the definition that satisfies "sharing details". Preaching isn't dialog. It's a monolog. If the preaching is always done on YOUR terms, using YOUR understanding and YOUR definitions and meanings, how are you sharing in anything? Sharing is two-way, not YOUR way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted November 6, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2014 Are we really having a serious discussion based on what a bullshit generator said? Doesn't that happen all the time anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeThinkerNZ Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks for pointing me to the bullshit generator. I can see it dominating my presence of Facebook. My pleasure. It seems to be going viral now. It's curious that it seems to be able to do more than just make people laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks for pointing me to the bullshit generator. I can see it dominating my presence of Facebook. Put it on a nice jpeg image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Are we really having a serious discussion based on what a bullshit generator said? The quintessential binarily formulated outcome would suggest an outcome directly pointed at an affirmative. Why must you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? How can we accept the shortcomings in others if (using your own words) we're unable to adequately understand another's perspective? To accept those shortcomings you first have to adequately understand them. Exactly, that is why I have been "preaching" to know the other person via "communion".....the definition that satisfies "sharing details". Unless you are at some level being objective and that means setting down religion and anything else that would alter your view initially of their responses to you I promise you are not coming to any greater understanding of anyone even yourself. Like was already said, preaching is a one way street where sharing is a two way. Maybe you should try listening instead of preaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I got the impression grace was a concept developed by Christianity to give false hope. Another component of the rewards/punishment mechanism designed to control the faithful. The dangling carrot offering hope but in reality its a carrot that can never be obtained. It could also be a rational response to understanding we are all unique individuals unable to adequately understand another's perspective. You seem to be defining grace as accepting the perceived shortcomings and idiosyncrasies of others? Right, that we become One with Him? Wouldn't it be becoming of us to accept shortcoming in others as He has done that for us? Wouldn't this essentially be the path to salvation....or our higher selves? How can we accept the shortcomings in others if (using your own words) we're unable to adequately understand another's perspective? To accept those shortcomings you first have to adequately understand them. Exactly, that is why I have been "preaching" to know the other person via "communion".....the definition that satisfies "sharing details". Unless you are at some level being objective and that means setting down religion and anything else that would alter your view initially of their responses to you I promise you are not coming to any greater understanding of anyone even yourself. Like was already said, preaching is a one way street where sharing is a two way. Maybe you should try listening instead of preaching. I have been listening for a long time. I do not agree. Some relationships are not as intimate as others...even in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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