The Way That I Will Experience Hell...

[Llwellyn]

There is a lot of worry about hell...

 

...Christians here in the "LIONS DEN" subforum often worry that we nonbelievers will be punished.  Also, nonbelievers in the subforum "EX-CHRISTIAN LIFE" express anxiety about whether they themselves will be punished.  It is remarkable just how similar these troubles are.  I give credit to the worried Christians insofar as they are concerned about the welfare of others rather than simply their own welfare.  But if anyone is worried about ME, in particular, I want to put their minds at ease.  Let me explain the way that I would experience hell after my death:

 

...Supposing Yahweh's curse exists, I welcome its taste.  It is true we have Yahweh's threats and promises:  "The LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you."  Joshua 23:15. But his postulated ideas of good are so very different from ours:  "What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight."  Luke 16:15.  Thus, what he calls Heaven would be what we would call Hell, and vice-versa.  Yahweh says as much when he says "Ye should not do those things which ye desire."  Galatians 5:17.  If he curses me, I will choose to perceive in it the good (from my perspective).  Yahweh may call his treatment "wrath," but in my experience, it will be an opportunity for growth.

 

I'm not saying that I am completely without trepidation concerning the prospect.  And I don't deny that the sensation of Yahweh's curse may be painful for me.  But I have courage, optimism, and I am up for the challenge.  I am ready to suffer and learn -- in short, I am repentant.  So Christians, have my words helped you manage your worries, just as I have helped myself manage my own?  Are you, like me, also prepared for what comes?  I ask because I, too, am worried about you.

 

 

[ironhorse]

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

[bornagainathiest]

Sent 01 December 2014 - 08:31 AM

Ironhorse,

 

Here is a copy of the PM I sent you on Nov 10.

 

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Please do the right, the honest, the loving and the Christian thing and confess to being a promise-breaking, untrustworthy troll BEFORE you post anything else at Ex-C, Ironhorse.

 

You owe the members and the lurkers that much. 

If you won't do this, you can be sure that I will.  I respect them and deal with them honestly, even if you don't.

A copy of this PM will be posted in every thread you pop up in, the next time you do so - letting everyone know that you are treating them dishonestly and without respect.

 

Thanks,  BAA

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A copy of that PM was duly posted when you popped up with one of your drive-by postings.

From this you can see that (unlike you) when I promise to do something, I keep my promises.  The key difference between us is how our beliefs (or lack of them) can be seen in our behavior towards others.  The comparison is very revealing.

 

You believe in Jesus, but you make promises that you don't keep.  

I don't believe in Jesus, but I keep my promises.

 

You believe in Jesus, but you don't deal others honestly.

I don't believe in Jesus, but I do deal honestly with others.

 

You believe in Jesus, but don't treat others with respect.

I don't believe in Jesus, but I treat others with due respect.

 

As before, a copy of this PM will be posted in the next thread you pop up in.

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all.  Those reading it will also see that this is the second message PM I've sent you about this issue.  They will take note of your behavior and compare it to your posts about Jesus and the Bible. Then they will draw the appropriate conclusion about you.

 

You and you alone can put this this right, Ironhorse.  Please do so.

 

BAA. 

[mydisplayname]

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

"If you plan to be enjoying heaven, while multitudes are tortured in hell forever then you are as much a sociopath as the god that you worship" - Unknown

 

Good luck with your "choice".

[Justus]

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

Amen.  Since the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil Creationism or Evolution?  So I said f m both since they are one in the same lie.

 

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all. 

 

 

And that my friends is evidence of the evil fruit of the imaginary tree of DeGrassi

 

[FreeThinkerNZ]

 

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

Amen.  Since the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil Creationism or Evolution?  So I said f m both since they are one in the same lie.

 

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all. 

 

 

And that my friends is evidence of the evil fruit of the imaginary tree of DeGrassi

 

 

 

I have no idea what you are saying.

[Fweethawt]

 

 

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

Amen. Since the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil Creationism or Evolution? So I said f m both since they are one in the same lie.

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all.

And that my friends is evidence of the evil fruit of the imaginary tree of DeGrassi

Bwahahahaaaa!!!! What 'THE' fuck?!?!

 

Dude, are you for real?

 

Oh my god! I'm so glad I'm sitting on the shitter right now. Otherwise I probably would've messed myself from laughing at this -- this -- "reply?" Is that what this is?

[Llwellyn]

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

And what of your anxiety for me?  Have my words extinguished the concern you have about me going to hell?  Is that stress put to rest?

[bornagainathiest]

Llwellyn,

 

If Ironhorse does go on to express any concern about you - that'll be backpedalling on his part.

 

Thanks,

 

BAA.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

You made a promise to answer our questions and address the many points we've brought to you.  Since then, you have made the choice to ignore that promise rather than honor it.

 

Happy?

[Thackerie]

 

 

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

Amen.  Since the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil Creationism or Evolution?  So I said f m both since they are one in the same lie.

 

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all. 

 

 

And that my friends is evidence of the evil fruit of the imaginary tree of DeGrassi

 

 

 

I have no idea what you are saying.

 

 

That's OK. Neither does he.

[Guest end3]

There is a lot of worry about hell...

 

...Christians here in the "LIONS DEN" subforum often worry that we nonbelievers will be punished.  Also, nonbelievers in the subforum "EX-CHRISTIAN LIFE" express anxiety about whether they themselves will be punished.  It is remarkable just how similar these troubles are.  I give credit to the worried Christians insofar as they are concerned about the welfare of others rather than simply their own welfare.  But if anyone is worried about ME, in particular, I want to put their minds at ease.  Let me explain the way that I would experience hell after my death:

 

...Supposing Yahweh's curse exists, I welcome its taste.  It is true we have Yahweh's threats and promises:  "The LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you."  Joshua 23:15. But his postulated ideas of good are so very different from ours:  "What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight."  Luke 16:15.  Thus, what he calls Heaven would be what we would call Hell, and vice-versa.  Yahweh says as much when he says "Ye should not do those things which ye desire."  Galatians 5:17.  If he curses me, I will choose to perceive in it the good (from my perspective).  Yahweh may call his treatment "wrath," but in my experience, it will be an opportunity for growth.

 

I'm not saying that I am completely without trepidation concerning the prospect.  And I don't deny that the sensation of Yahweh's curse may be painful for me.  But I have courage, optimism, and I am up for the challenge.  I am ready to suffer and learn -- in short, I am repentant.  So Christians, have my words helped you manage your worries, just as I have helped myself manage my own?  Are you, like me, also prepared for what comes?  I ask because I, too, am worried about you.

Why would you not choose suffering/sacrifice now?

[Guest end3]

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

Why would you not choose suffering/sacrifice now?

 

Because this is the only life any of us are going to have and the meaning of it is being as happy as possible.

[bornagainathiest]

 

There is a lot of worry about hell...

 

...Christians here in the "LIONS DEN" subforum often worry that we nonbelievers will be punished.  Also, nonbelievers in the subforum "EX-CHRISTIAN LIFE" express anxiety about whether they themselves will be punished.  It is remarkable just how similar these troubles are.  I give credit to the worried Christians insofar as they are concerned about the welfare of others rather than simply their own welfare.  But if anyone is worried about ME, in particular, I want to put their minds at ease.  Let me explain the way that I would experience hell after my death:

 

...Supposing Yahweh's curse exists, I welcome its taste.  It is true we have Yahweh's threats and promises:  "The LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you."  Joshua 23:15. But his postulated ideas of good are so very different from ours:  "What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight."  Luke 16:15.  Thus, what he calls Heaven would be what we would call Hell, and vice-versa.  Yahweh says as much when he says "Ye should not do those things which ye desire."  Galatians 5:17.  If he curses me, I will choose to perceive in it the good (from my perspective).  Yahweh may call his treatment "wrath," but in my experience, it will be an opportunity for growth.

 

I'm not saying that I am completely without trepidation concerning the prospect.  And I don't deny that the sensation of Yahweh's curse may be painful for me.  But I have courage, optimism, and I am up for the challenge.  I am ready to suffer and learn -- in short, I am repentant.  So Christians, have my words helped you manage your worries, just as I have helped myself manage my own?  Are you, like me, also prepared for what comes?  I ask because I, too, am worried about you.

Why would you not choose suffering/sacrifice now?

 

 

If everything is subjective, then you have no objective way of knowing how Llwellyn has answered your question - if and when she answers it.

 

Which makes asking the question... pointless.

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Not personal End, just keeping you honest.

 

BAA.

[bornagainathiest]

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

If everything is subjective, then you were scared pretty good by something you cannot know was objectively real, End.

 

Just as you cannot know if anything is objectively real. 

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Not personal, End. Just keeping you honest.

 

BAA.

[Llwellyn]

Why would you not choose suffering/sacrifice now?

 

What I described in my first post -- being optimistic in the face of challenges, seeing the good in every experience -- is my mode of reaction now.  I would react to hell in the same way.  I don't tend to "choose" suffering -- it comes to me even if I try to avoid it.  By going to hell, I don't imagine that I am choosing the more painful experience.  As I said earlier, I would expect that heaven would be less pleasant than hell.  And, I don't thing that I am choosing sacrifice.  I just expect that I could flourish more in hell rather than in heaven.  I refuse to "abandon hope," regardless of whether Christians and their God tell me to "abandon hope" as I find myself in hell.

 

[gall]

 

All of us make our choices.

 

I'm happy with the one I made.

 

Amen.  Since the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil Creationism or Evolution?  So I said f m both since they are one in the same lie.

 

This will clearly show that I am trying to keep you 'honest' by reminding you of your moral duty and Christian obligation to be truthful and honest and open with all. 

 

 

And that my friends is evidence of the evil fruit of the imaginary tree of DeGrassi

 

 

 

 

You are not even saying anything here. Did you just need to be heard? Tired of other Christians agreeing with you and you come here to what take some secular "abuse".

 

Try making a point.

[gall]

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

Your god experienced it supposedly and if it was good enough for him to check out what does that say about you if you can't learn first hand for a few hours to appreciate your "heaven" more?

 

you wouldn't burn for your god?

[Guest end3]

 

Why would you not choose suffering/sacrifice now?

 

What I described in my first post -- being optimistic in the face of challenges, seeing the good in every experience -- is my mode of reaction now.  I would react to hell in the same way.  I don't tend to "choose" suffering -- it comes to me even if I try to avoid it.  By going to hell, I don't imagine that I am choosing the more painful experience.  As I said earlier, I would expect that heaven would be less pleasant than hell.  And, I don't thing that I am choosing sacrifice.  I just expect that I could flourish more in hell rather than in heaven.  I refuse to "abandon hope," regardless of whether Christians and their God tell me to "abandon hope" as I find myself in hell.

 

 

I guess you lost me here L. You are saying that per your methodology for life you would approach hell as another bump in the road? Call if you need a husband. I could use someone with this much resolve in their life.....

[Guest end3]

 

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

Your god experienced it supposedly and if it was good enough for him to check out what does that say about you if you can't learn first hand for a few hours to appreciate your "heaven" more?

 

you wouldn't burn for your god?

 

Have suffered all I care to suffer Gall....hence the savior concept. Thx.

[mymistake]

 

 

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

Your god experienced it supposedly and if it was good enough for him to check out what does that say about you if you can't learn first hand for a few hours to appreciate your "heaven" more?

 

you wouldn't burn for your god?

 

Have suffered all I care to suffer Gall....hence the savior concept. Thx.

 

 

 

 

But look at the failure of that savior concept.

 

You have already suffered all that you care to suffer . . . even though it wasn't suppose to happen because of magic.

 

And you are going to continue to suffer because this life is all that exists and there is no magic.

 

 

 

It really is better to abandon the magical savior concept and look at the world for what it really is.  You alone are the only force that can reduce your own suffering.  Trusting in nothing won't make a difference.

[Guest end3]

 

 

 

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

Your god experienced it supposedly and if it was good enough for him to check out what does that say about you if you can't learn first hand for a few hours to appreciate your "heaven" more?

 

you wouldn't burn for your god?

 

Have suffered all I care to suffer Gall....hence the savior concept. Thx.

 

 

 

 

But look at the failure of that savior concept.

 

You have already suffered all that you care to suffer . . . even though it wasn't suppose to happen because of magic.

 

And you are going to continue to suffer because this life is all that exists and there is no magic.

 

 

 

It really is better to abandon the magical savior concept and look at the world for what it really is.  You alone are the only force that can reduce your own suffering.  Trusting in nothing won't make a difference.

 

You are saying I am trusting in nothing. That is not correct. I trust in choosing good and in that those choices yield different results than choosing otherwise. Very similar to L taking it as it comes....the only difference is she doesn't believe in Christ.

[mymistake]

 

 

 

 

Also L, I read a book when I was younger....some lady claiming she had toured hell with Jesus. I'm guessing that this lady either had a wonderfully vivid imagination or she went to hell. Either way, it scared me pretty good. I can't fathom wanting to learn via the experience she allowed.

 

blessings.

 

Your god experienced it supposedly and if it was good enough for him to check out what does that say about you if you can't learn first hand for a few hours to appreciate your "heaven" more?

 

you wouldn't burn for your god?

 

Have suffered all I care to suffer Gall....hence the savior concept. Thx.

 

 

 

 

But look at the failure of that savior concept.

 

You have already suffered all that you care to suffer . . . even though it wasn't suppose to happen because of magic.

 

And you are going to continue to suffer because this life is all that exists and there is no magic.

 

 

 

It really is better to abandon the magical savior concept and look at the world for what it really is.  You alone are the only force that can reduce your own suffering.  Trusting in nothing won't make a difference.

 

You are saying I am trusting in nothing. That is not correct. I trust in choosing good and in that those choices yield different results than choosing otherwise. Very similar to L taking it as it comes....the only difference is she doesn't believe in Christ.

 

 

 

So in other words, you are trusting in nothing.

 

Hey, it's your life . . . 

[bornagainathiest]

End,

 

You don't trust in choosing good. 

 

Instead you trust in choosing what you subjectively believe is good. 

 

That's because you cannot objectively know what good is. 

 

To you, everything is subjective.  Including good. 

 

You have no objective knowledge of good to guide you - only your subjective belief in what good might be.

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N.P.E. J.K.Y.H.

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BAA