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Jesus Is The Gift


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It's that time of the year to be bombarded with the True Meaning of Christmas.  Every time things start to get a little casual, we have to be reminded by our holy Christian loved ones about the True Meaning of Christmas- the gift of the savior Jesus Christ.   

 

I've gotten many gifts in my life.  Some were good and some were bad.  But none was ever a baby.  No mum or dad ever gifted me their living child.  I don't feel good about somebody wanting to give their child to me.  Why does your child mean so little to you that you would give him away?  You'd have to tear the arms off most parents to take their baby away.  But you give yours so freely?  This is commendable?

 

Too bad Christmas and Easter are too far apart.  We forget the rest of the story beyond the manger.  We forget about what the gift-giver really intended by the gift.  The gift is the gift of an execution.  The baby is the beginnings of a man.  The baby is the man in seedling form.  My gift, it turns out, is intended to be the tree.  My gift is a man who I will offer to the executioner in my place.  I've never received a living, breathing, bleeding gift before.  This doesn't feel good. 

 

This is no gift but a Curse.  No, Yahweh, I will not accept this gift.  Your gift is perverse!  I do not want a pet man, born and reared like a cattle for the carving board! 

 

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Cattle = beef.

Beef = steak and burgers.

Steak and burgers = good and yummy.

Mmmmmm -- beef!

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The true gift is that Yahweh impregnated his own mother and became his own son and his own father at the same time. He did this so that he could appear in human form and perform parlor tricks and sacrifice himself to himself to save mankind from the sinful programming he forced them to be born with so that he would finally have the ability to forgive humans for being human and no longer be forced (by himself) to send everyone to Hell and/or go into violent rages over normal human behavior.

 

Wow, this god Christians believe in sure sounds like a mentally stable fella, doesn't he? GONZ9729CustomImage1539775.gif

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Can I get a gift receipt, Yahweh?  If I can't re-gift this shit, it's getting exchanged.

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Too bad Christmas and Easter are too far apart.  We forget the rest of the story beyond the manger.  We forget about what the gift-giver really intended by the gift.

 

 

I had to go to one of my grandkid's xmas play last week, entitled The Christmas Cross.    There was a christmas tree on one side of the stage and a christmas cross on the other side -- complete with little white twinkly lights on both.  

 

There was even a friggen altar call.

 

 

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I'm sure glad that bit of xmas duty is over!

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Oh, the play is nothing original....I just googled and found this piece of propaganda:  

 

"You can't have Christmas without the Cross..."

 

http://wordmusic.com/kids/christmas/christmas-cross-the.html

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Yahweh, I also don't accept your gift. You had your own son killed just so you could forgive me? Really?? Why couldn't you just forgive me instead? And what good parent has their own child killed for a so-called good cause? Oh, that's right. You aren't a good parent. You're nothing but an immoral maniac. No one should ever follow your evil examples of gift giving or parenting.

Yeah, makes me think where i believe it was the apostle paul who said "be ye followers of god". I don't think so. I will choose to be merciful and forgiving and show compassion instead, all the things god fails to show, especially to his followers. -peace

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Sadly there are parents who at least talk like this.

Keith Green's song "I Pledge My Head To Heaven."

It won't let me paste the link in for some reason but it's on Youtube.

Sadly, I saw some of this behavior firsthand, a major regret of mine from Christinsanity, that I didn't properly intervene with some  things. So yes, people will do crazy things for the lord, be they some polygamous sect that gives up a teenage daughter to an older man, or demands unreasonable expectations from a young child so a mother can feel assured Jesus will be happy with her performance as a parent, so yes, people do this.

I appreciate your post. And otherwise good people try and pattern themselves after this moral monster, rather than do as you have done.  Your post reminded me of that song -- a friend of mine in high school had it in the 80s -- he even used to sing it. Meanwhile, everyone including me would think me morally repugnant if I sacrificed my daughter in order to mentally restrain myself from acting out in anger against a piece of software or an artificial intelligence I had written. And according to the Christians, the distance between us and the god is far greater than the distance between us and our own creations, semi-intelligent though they might be.

Sorry I can't seem to paste the link, but you'll find it if curious.

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Personally I am hoping for an I-pod, Jesus can shove off

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Too bad Christmas and Easter are too far apart.  We forget the rest of the story beyond the manger.  We forget about what the gift-giver really intended by the gift.

 

I had to go to one of my grandkid's xmas play last week, entitled The Christmas Cross.    There was a christmas tree on one side of the stage and a christmas cross on the other side -- complete with little white twinkly lights on both.  

 

There was even a friggen altar call.

 

 

    Wendybanghead.gif WendyDoh.gif    

 

 

I'm sure glad that bit of xmas duty is over!

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Oh, the play is nothing original....I just googled and found this piece of propaganda:  

 

"You can't have Christmas without the Cross..."

 

http://wordmusic.com/kids/christmas/christmas-cross-the.html

 

 

Yes. I have to drive by a church on the way home from work and they had erected a platform or stage out there where they were going to have a program. The platform was offensive enough, I can't imagine what the program would be like. There was a big cross, American flags and (I think) a Christmas tree. Anyway, I didn't want to look at it too closely. Almost all you could see was a giant cross and two big flags. So they have to put this mess up right beside the major street where as many people will see it as possible. This whole mix of Christianity and patriotism really rubs me the wrong way.

 

Incidentally, I used to work with a woman who went to that church and, naturally, we didn't get along too well. Ugh. Christians behave so badly sometimes.

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In my town, they are setting up a giant nativity scene right in the town square. I am there thinking, don't they know that if this jesus person really did exist he would be throwing all of them into eternal hell? These people are celebrating the birth of the very person who is going to burn them alive in hell at the end of their life. Oh my devil, this shit never stops. -me

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In my mind Jesus and God were two separate entities. Both existed in Heaven before Jesus was born on earth.

 

I thought that God was always angry and liked smiting us. God was angry with us for failing so hard even though that failure was because of his own failure to program us right. Instead of blaming himself for his own failure to create what he wanted, God decided to take out his anger on the creation itself.

 

But Jesus was different. He felt bad for us. God cared about Jesus, but not humanity. So Jesus decided to be born on earth so God could watch someone he actually cared about having to suffer through the human experience. Through feeling empathy for the suffering of his precious Jesus, God finally felt some pity for all the humans and decided to quit smiting us so much all the time.

 

So Jesus had to die on earth as a human for God to be able feel some empathy for us. That was the big gift.

 

I'm probably the only one who tried to rationalize it that way.

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In my mind Jesus and God were two separate entities. Both existed in Heaven before Jesus was born on earth.

 

I thought that God was always angry and liked smiting us. God was angry with us for failing so hard even though that failure was because of his own failure to program us right. Instead of blaming himself for his own failure to create what he wanted, God decided to take out his anger on the creation itself.

 

But Jesus was different. He felt bad for us. God cared about Jesus, but not humanity. So Jesus decided to be born on earth so God could watch someone he actually cared about having to suffer through the human experience. Through feeling empathy for the suffering of his precious Jesus, God finally felt some pity for all the humans and decided to quit smiting us so much all the time.

 

So Jesus had to die on earth as a human for God to be able feel some empathy for us. That was the big gift.

 

I'm probably the only one who tried to rationalize it that way.

I doubt you were the only one. Either way, i am always fascinated to read what others have to say about bible topics or theology. Keep thinking and keep posting. Thanks for the post lucy. -peace

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When looked at objectively, it is obvious that Jesus is not a gift, not even close. Yahweh forces Jesus and his sacrifice on humanity, just so he can hang it over humans' heads and demand that they love him for sacrificing himself to himself under the threat of a lake of fire. This is not an example of a parent giving their children a gift. This is an example of a parent giving their children something for the purpose of self gain and using extortion on their children.

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I always felt lonely in not experiencing the supposed joy of the gift of Jesus.  I could never find joy in a little baby born specifically to be butchered!  That's neither love or joy, just sickness.  I feel depressed with every manger scene.  They always make it look like such a happy family.  Mother Mary, father Joseph, cuddling the baby Jesus.  In fact the mother Mary was probably aware that she had brought this child to earth to kill it.  Wasn't she at least suggested by the angel as to the purpose of having the child?  Isn't this a murderous woman and not to be idolized?  I only wish people like my a-mum would be able to understand that at Christmas the only thing they are celebrating with the True Meaning stuff is human sacrifice. 

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Jesus is the gift that gives depression, guilt, irrational fears, magical thinking, departure from reality, hatred towards women and your fellow human beings, fearful servitude, attending the most magical place on earth-no not disneyland-church, and over all mental illness and mental breakdowns. Thanks god now piss off i have some sinning to do

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Let's assume for a moment that there is this thing called grace that we supposedly need to receive.  How is it a gift?  To me a gift is given without any expectation of reciprocation.  It's not a gift if I'm required to do something in return in order to receive this "gift".  I have to accept Jesus as my personal savior in order to receive the gift of God's grace?  Sorry, that's not a gift. 

 

Conversely, if we did not have to confess to any beliefs in order to get salvation, then that would qualify as a gift.  But if that hypothetical was the case, i.e. the gift of salvation was universal, then why do Christian's keep trying to shove Jesus at everyone?

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If Jesus is the reason for the season then why did ancient Briton build Stonehenge to mark the solstice some 3,500 years before the New Testament?  Seems like the season has been celebrated for at least 5,500 years.

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Jesus is not a gift.  No gift comes with strings attached.

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