Fweethawt Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 "Thermodynamics help explain why storms will become fewer in number but stronger in intensity as the planet warms" http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/climate-change-altering-global-heat-engine-180954079/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted January 30, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2015 For the past 66 years I have observed brutal winters, mild winters, hot summers and relatively moderate summers. Over the years cities all around the northern hemisphere have been brought to a standstill due to winter weather events. The latest storm in the northeast US is certainly not without precedent. The climate seems to remain within the same variables it always has throughout my lifetime. The global warming hypothesis has been around since the 1880s with their immediate dire predictions that never came to pass. We are no doubt currently in a warming trend, and humans no doubt make some contribution to that, but I wish the green lobby would stop crying wolf at every new "study" and weather event. It's as if a certain vocal segment of vested interests looks at every event or piece of data and wonders, "How can we make this fit our hypothesis?" Sure, we should cut back on the use of fossil fuels and so forth, but decade after decade claiming that "the sky is falling TODAY" doesn't help the cause of convincing the deniers. Climate change is real and we can help moderate it, but GW proponents must stop overplaying their hand if they expect everyone to get on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Are you being critical about the "Cry Wolf" mentality? Shame on you! Though I may not agree on the global warming causes.. that's not the issue here...I DO agree that there must be a better way to engage the public for positive results than claiming gloom, doom and calamity People become immune to that fairly quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 I've always found this topic interesting due to the climate changes I've observed just within my life time. Thing is, as soon as this topic gets brought up, most people look out their window and immediately call bullshit on it due to the WEATHER -- not the CLIMATE. Weather changes all of the time; even from minute to minute in most areas. I live in Cleveland. So to me, WEATHER change is quite common and easily observed. Oh look! It was snowing when I started typing this and now the sun is shining! Just kidding. But it seriously happens like that at times. In the show, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey, the analogy used to teach the difference between CLIMATE CHANGE and WEATHER CHANGE was to show a man walking along a beach with his dog. The man, walking in a straight line represents CLIMATE change (and global warming) and how it is continuously moving forward in its progress. The dog, running from side to side (of the man walking the straight line) represents WEATHER change. As this footage was being shown, your attention couldn't help but be drawn to the dog (weather) running all over the place and ignoring the man (climate). Most all people fail to make the distinction between their observations of weather and climate because our minds are easily drawn to what is easily observed (or in this analogy -- more 'entertaining' than a boring man walking down a beach). We see this happen all the time when people look outside during a snow storm and say, "That don't look like global warming to me!" or, during summer months when we get our long stretches of heat waves you get those that say, "Them scientists are always screaming about climate change. I don't see THIS climate changing!" Bottom line -- global warming and climate change is the conclusion reached after years and years of studying weather patterns and climate over a long period of time. This type of change is not easily noticeable because our minds can't observe it on that scale. Oh look! Its snowing outside again! Don't look like no global warming to me! Personally, after watching that segment, I realized that particular analogy (the man and dog) was the most simple, and least doom and gloom way I've ever seen this topic explained. Its worth watching. It really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Though I may not agree on the global warming causes.. that's not the issue here...I DO agree that there must be a better way to engage the public for positive results than claiming gloom, doom and calamity People become immune to that fairly quickly. Nah, it's fine. The public needs to ignore all that and keep breeding. We are mammals. We will evolve to match whatever climate Earth has. Of course the natural selection part won't be fun but life will go on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I've never seen any decent scientist go alarmist about the topic. Inevitably it's the liars' guilds that blow everything out of proportion until it reaches the absurdity level of a soap opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Oh good. I was dreading reading this but no there was reason to be found! Thank you Florduh???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Though I may not agree on the global warming causes.. that's not the issue here...I DO agree that there must be a better way to engage the public for positive results than claiming gloom, doom and calamity People become immune to that fairly quickly. Nah, it's fine. The public needs to ignore all that and keep breeding. We are mammals. We will evolve to match whatever climate Earth has. Of course the natural selection part won't be fun but life will go on. Indeed it will most likely. We have been around a fair amount of time now and survived. Not really that long but we managed to come through the hardship and adapt. We are good at that. I would not so much call it evolving as that takes a lot longer than 10's of thousands of years it take millions. We adapt like no other on this earth. Natural selection works in some ways but I feel we have gotten to the point we can navigate around it now. To me this means we need to be more responsible with things like breeding... as in stop breeding like we are thinking like animals. We can choose to control ourselves in a way that cats and dogs can't but we have to make a choice. Keep using our resources in the way we do and breeding out of control and natural selection just might choose the planet over us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 over the decades it has gotten a lot hotter here. the summers used to average 84-85 degrees. now they average 98-100+ degrees. It used to get cold in september and rainy and colder in october, now it stays around 85-95- degrees and sunny until november. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Scientific evidence indicates the earth has experienced numerous climate changes, and some of those changes have been so dramatic that they extinguished almost all life forms. The poles have not always been covered with ice and snow. Modern civilization may be contributing to the current cycle, but I am not convinced we are the cause of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 As far as we can tell, no past (natural) climate change was even remotely as rapid as this one. If memory serves, in geological terms a "sudden" climate chance tends to need some millennia. It's happening in decades currently. Just something to think about you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 14, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2015 This winter's New England snowstorms are touted by some as proof of climate change, but there have always been bad and worse winters cycling through the decades. http://www.weather.com/news/news/new-england-boston-record-snow-tracker The highest recorded temperatures around the world have not all occurred this decade, but some of these entries go back as far as 1931. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records Having lived for 66 years in both Ohio and Florida I would say the climate hasn't varied from its regular good/bad winters and summers. Some winters are colder than others, some summers are warmer than others, like always. Sorry, but I'm really not seeing any real change in climate so far, and the records reflect that as well. That's not to say we're not in a warming cycle - for whatever reasons - but please don't exaggerate just to get me to buy carbon credits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 *sigh* We are talking about the sum of all climate all over Earth. You can't notice half a degree difference on the other side of the planet. You have to get all the records of all the regions and compare the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 14, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2015 No need to sigh. The claim being made by many is that the climate has significantly changed recently. It hasn't, and the records show that. That's not to say we're not in a warming trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 no i said the climate has changed over decades, i never said jesus it is hotter this year than the last 2, therefor climate change is real. but in some areas of the world, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 You have to get all the records of all the regions and compare the big picture. not for me, where i live is proof positive that this stuff is happening in my neck of the woods. that's why i am trying to move to a colder climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah CC same here. While it doesn't feel to the unaided human judgment like climate's getting warmer in Northern Germany, all the fucking weather patterns are totally fucked-up here now. When I grew up, you got the normal thing - cold front and rain/snow for a few days, better weather for a few more days, you know what I mean. Now we get totally stable weather conditions so damn often, that alone is insane already. When we get summery weather in Summer it stays for weeks, until the entire damn region is so dried out you're sure you'll spit out dust clouds if you talk too loud. Crappy Winter weather also tends to come to stay. 2009/2010 we had three fucking months of constant sub-zero temperatures and shitloads of snow blocking half the roads. Remember that I'm talking about Northern Germany, not too far from the North Sea shore, and normally our weather is supposed to be rather mild due to that, compared with (for example) Bavaria down south. Two years ago the fucking Winter didn't bring much snow but it was constantly cloudy for many weeks, never got really bright even around high noon, and constant icy wind from the East (must've come directly from Siberia!). I had to keep the heating up in my place in damn June, and the constant semi-darkness got me so down emotionally that I nearly snapped. Again, it doesn't feel like climate's getting warmer overall (that's what statistics are for), but one simply can't deny that weather here is a clusterfuck, and it's getting worse every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted February 15, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2015 To me it is just the earth very slowly changing. My end of the earth is freezing over right now and if the snow doesn't stop, we will soon be buried. Maybe our species in Nova Scotia is going to die off first!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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