Orbit Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The only time we hear that God spoke to someone, that person is being hauled off to the mental hospital to be given medications that prevent the misfirings of their brains. Hearing voices is a known symptom of mental illness.When Christians say god "spoke" to them, it means they just kind of had a feeling in their hearts, not that they actually heard a voice. They "hear" their own thoughts, which is not the same as hearing a voice.Why doesn't God speak in a voice to people who are NOT mentally ill? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted February 3, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2015 Ooh! Ooh! I know that one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Haha--yeah YOU do--I want to see what our Xtians say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Haha--yeah YOU do--I want to see what our Xtians say... Good luck. Christians have bad track record for ignoring the tough questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post violetbutterfly Posted February 4, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2015 To add a little personal experience...I used to wonder why God wasn't talking to me. I'd pray for something and then listen. And whatever answer I gave myself would turn into an internal struggle. Did God just tell me that? Or did I imagine it? Or was it Satan trying to trick me? This bullshit can make a sane person insane! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunea Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 To add a little personal experience...I used to wonder why God wasn't talking to me. I'd pray for something and then listen. And whatever answer I gave myself would turn into an internal struggle. Did God just tell me that? Or did I imagine it? Or was it Satan trying to trick me? This bullshit can make a sane person insane! Exactly. And then you meet someone who claims to hear God's voice loud and clear, and that the voice is telling them things about you, and your first reaction is that you disagree. More struggle ensues. "What if that IS the truth and I'm lying to myself/being blind? Or did satan trick that person and then me? Whaaaat?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Ooh! Ooh! I know that one!!! Wow, I was saying that ^^ right before I scrolled down... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious after all, especially when an indoctrinated mind is processing information. At some point during my de-conversion experience I was reading a scholar, probably Bart Ehrman, but I don't remember for sure now. The author noted religious people were placing their "faith" in the testimonies and visions of long dead prophets, that may or may not have even existed. At best people were willing to accept hear say as fact with no way of validating the accuracy of that hear say information. It was one of those light bulb moments for me. Well, duh? Yeah. Society today generally looks at folks who claim to have conversed with God or had a vision from God, to be polite, with a skeptical eye. The not so polite reaction is to laugh at them and suggest they see a mental health professional, but believers accept such testimony as fact, based on faith? Is that really faith or ignorance and superstition? I decided it was the latter. Why do Christians accept Paul as an inspired prophet of God but think Joseph Smith was a whacko? They both claimed to have had visions and messages directly from God. Maybe Joseph Smith had the correct revised message. The God of the Bible did tend to change his mind quite a bit. Who is to say God didn't throw the whole NT thing out the window and come up with a new plan? This vision and hearing voices from God thing tends to be tricky. I think God needs a better way to communicate. Hey God, ya know we got the internet now, Maybe you could just send an email and copy everybody on earth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I never understood why modern day Christians will dismiss people who claim to be hearing from God, but believe 100% in the Bible authors. But then if God spoke to someone in a dream, then it gains credibility. I've noticed if someone claims god told them something in a dream then people think it might be a real message from god. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I remember the first time I heard the voice, it said “save me I will show you” so I get into this jump into action mode when the thought came to me, why would an entity that I can’t see but can talk to me need my help?, as the voice spoke again and said “don’t listen to voices.” While I won’t swear on it, I thought I heard chuckling in the background that second time. While it was a number of years later, I had week to the riverboat casino with a friend for the first time and a day trip and a couple hundred dollars lasted nearly a week and even came home with some money in my pocket. So I get the bright idea to go back a few weeks later with a couple of grand in my pocket. After a few hours on the blackjack table and I am up a few bucks when I get a pair of 9’s. With a $200 bet on the table I split’em since the dealer was showing a 3. And before the dealer finishes dealing my play, I’ve got 8 hands @ $200 each with the lowest hand at 17. So when the dealer flips her whole card, a 2 to go with that 3, while I really can’t recall specifically what cards she drew, she drew a bunch and ended up with 21. While I had a feeling that my 9’s was stretching the odds, after the dealer drew 5 times and without busting or standing, what else could she have drawn except a 5, for 21 and my $1600. That pretty much blew my oars out of the water mentally and over the next few hours what I left had dwindle down to a $50 chip. By this time its late and except but for a craps table and a couple of gaming tables the boat is pretty much deserted as I walk over towards the craps table before heading out. Do I take a chance with that $50 on the craps table or do I take that $50 and the few pieces of the ass I lost and go home. While I am standing there, I can’t help but think about the way that one hand played, when I hear a voice from behind me saying “Bet 50 on 12 “. While I didn’t’ notice anyone in the area, I turn around to see who was talking. And there isn’t anyone anywhere around me except for those at the craps table. So I go up to the table but thinking the whole time, you’re crazy; hell if you are; you heard it, and as the player is getting to roll I toss the $50 on the table saying on 12. And as soon as I let the chip go I recall what I was told the first time, and just then the table boss hollars out ‘no bet’. When the dice lands on 12 everyone looks at me like I am crazy because I am like thank you, thank you so much. No bet. Thank you. If anyone isn’t familiar with a craps table, the middle board are for one roll of the dice. Depending on what number you pick the odds vary. 12 or boxcars double 6 pays around 37 to 1. As I am standing there, I am like I know I heard what I heard when the thought comes to mind “ask’. So I asked and put the $50 on 12 again. Well, after the dice land my last $50 goes sliding off the table. So I ask what the hell and the table boss yells out “O, 0, that’s a winner”. While I didn’t get the whole $1950 back, I got what I really wanted and that was answer to the feeling I had in my gut about that blackjack hand. So, I got on my horse and rode out of town and never looked back. But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. Hebrews 3:7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetbutterfly Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. So all your fellow Christians who claim God spoke to them are delusional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (Snip) But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. (Snip) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi "As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time highly regarded as a science. Their religious practices and use of astrology caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic, although Zoroastrianism was in fact strongly opposed to sorcery." Sorcery...no. Astrology...yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Justus you haven't addressed the question at all. You've provided a non-sequitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I remember the first time I heard the voice, it said “save me I will show you” so I get into this jump into action mode when the thought came to me, why would an entity that I can’t see but can talk to me need my help?, as the voice spoke again and said . . . Cool story bro. That still doesn't explain why the voice only speaks to the mentally ill. But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. That doesn't answer the question either. Why does the voice only speak to the mentally ill? However a casual reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus did engage in necromancy. He was bringing dead people back to life all over the place. He was spiting into mud to create new eyes. He even brought himself back to life and allowed a friend to stick a finger into the wounds that remained. Do you know what necromancy means? Hebrews 3:7 Still doesn't explain why only the mentally ill hear the voice. Obviously you don't have the debate skills to hang here. A Christian with half a brain would point out that the title is the loaded question fallacy. (If only God would get off his fat ass and send us a Christian with a brain.) However if you went that far then the next step would be to provide an example of somebody who hears the voice of God and isn't insane. There would be plenty of examples to choose from. But then you would be trapped by the thing they all have in common. You are suppose to lose at step 3, not trip at the starting line. See, I have to make your argument for you. This is sad. When will Jesus send decent workers to do the work? God looks naked when nobody has the ability to defend his cause. Perhaps it is because everyone with ability eventually works out that God is imaginary? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (Snip) But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. (Snip) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi "As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time highly regarded as a science. Their religious practices and use of astrology caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic, although Zoroastrianism was in fact strongly opposed to sorcery." Sorcery...no. Astrology...yes? Be not deceived, the truth in the simplicity of perfection is no lie, but that is deceiving to those who got in their gettings wisdom and understanding yet lacked the knowledge to get the principal thing written in Proverbs 4:7 therefore have gotten nothing even thought it was freely given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Cool story bro. That still doesn't explain why the voice only speaks to the mentally ill. How do you know they hear voices? That doesn't answer the question either. Why does the voice only speak to the mentally ill? Wouldn't hearing words that didn't come from the voice be more indicative of mental illness that hearing the words that came from a voice? Still doesn't explain why only the mentally ill hear the voice. Obviously you don't have the debate skills to hang here. A Christian with half a brain would point out that the title is the loaded question fallacy. (If only God would get off his fat ass and send us a Christian with a brain.) However if you went that far then the next step would be to provide an example of somebody who hears the voice of God and isn't insane. There would be plenty of examples to choose from. But then you would be trapped by the thing they all have in common. You are suppose to lose at step 3, not trip at the starting line. See, I have to make your argument for you. This is sad. When will Jesus send decent workers to do the work? God looks naked when nobody has the ability to defend his cause. Perhaps it is because everyone with ability eventually works out that God is imaginary? So you say that the word comes from the sound of the moving air molecules and not the spirit of man yet you don't know what the spirit is, but none the less you hear me and claim that you know what I am saying yet word isn't carried by the wind. The reason those who hear the voice of the eternal God are crazy is because hearing the Eternal is like saying there aren't 24 hours of light in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Be not deceived, the truth in the simplicity of perfection is no lie, but that is deceiving to those who got in their gettings wisdom and understanding yet lacked the knowledge to get the principal thing written in Proverbs 4:7 therefore have gotten nothing even thought it was freely given. Oh that is rich. Quote a pack of lies regarding deception, truth and lies. You are just begging for a con artist to relive you of your tithe. That 10% of your income is such a burden for you. The Bible authors didn't even know where the sun goes at night. They don't have the answers for life's questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That doesn't answer the question either. Why does the voice only speak to the mentally ill? Wouldn't hearing words that didn't come from the voice be more indicative of mental illness that hearing the words that came from a voice? Let me guess. Sometimes you hear the voice talking to you. . . . hearing the Eternal is like saying there are 24 hours of light in a day. Right. *backs away slowly* . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (Snip) But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. (Snip) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi "As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time highly regarded as a science. Their religious practices and use of astrology caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic, although Zoroastrianism was in fact strongly opposed to sorcery." Sorcery...no. Astrology...yes? Be not deceived, the truth in the simplicity of perfection is no lie, but that is deceiving to those who got in their gettings wisdom and understanding yet lacked the knowledge to get the principal thing written in Proverbs 4:7 therefore have gotten nothing even thought it was freely given. Please answer the question, Justus. Sorcery is a no-no in Christianity. (Statement.) Astrology is permitted...? (Question.) . . . Thanks, BAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Magi - sorcerers/astrologers Magi (/ˈmeɪdʒaɪ/; Latin plural of magus; Ancient Greek: μάγος magos; Old Persian: maguš, Persian: مُغmogh; English singular magian, mage, magus, magusian, magusaean; Kurdish: manji) is a term, used since at least the 6th century BC, to denote followers of Zoroastrianism or Zoroaster. The earliest known usage of the word Magi is in the trilingual inscription written by Darius the Great, known as the Behistun Inscription. Old Persian texts, pre-dating the Hellenistic period, refer to a Magus as a Zurvanic, and presumably Zoroastrian, priest. Pervasive throughout the Eastern Mediterranean and Western Asia until late antiquity and beyond, mágos, "Magian" or "magician," was influenced by (and eventually displaced) Greek goēs (γόης), the older word for a practitioner of magic, to include astrology, alchemy and other forms of esoteric knowledge. This association was in turn the product of the Hellenistic fascination for (Pseudo‑)Zoroaster, who was perceived by the Greeks to be the "Chaldean", "founder" of the Magi and "inventor" of both astrology and magic, a meaning that still survives in the modern-day words "magic" and "magician". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi Daniel, the prophet, was employed for many years in Babylon as the chief occultist to the king. He was supervisor "of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans and soothsayers". See Daniel 5:11. Daniel was a diviner and a seer, as well as an interpreter of precognition. Drawing lots for decisions is a form of magic (divination), happens a lot in the Bible. Jesus was most definitely practicing magic - at least to any other magician it would seem that way, same with Moses…(seriously? Brass Serpents and Rods?(wands) right out of a Book of Shadows ) Jesus is considered an a (The) Great Adept in many ideologies and faiths (The Rosicrucians and Eckankar, for two). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 (Snip) But to answer your question, might be because the Son of God doesn't engage in necromancy. (Snip) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi "As part of their religion, these priests paid particular attention to the stars and gained an international reputation for astrology, which was at that time highly regarded as a science. Their religious practices and use of astrology caused derivatives of the term Magi to be applied to the occult in general and led to the English term magic, although Zoroastrianism was in fact strongly opposed to sorcery." Sorcery...no. Astrology...yes? Be not deceived, the truth in the simplicity of perfection is no lie, but that is deceiving to those who got in their gettings wisdom and understanding yet lacked the knowledge to get the principal thing written in Proverbs 4:7 therefore have gotten nothing even thought it was freely given. Please answer the question, Justus. Sorcery is a no-no in Christianity. (Statement.) Astrology is permitted...? (Question.) . . . Thanks, BAA. I can merely tell you my opinion regarding the topics but I as I have tried to express to you and others before, I am just an individual expressing my opinion. I wasn't required to attend or subscribe to any religious doctrine, I haven't ever belonged to any denomination or even attended Church. So I can't tell you what Christianity permits regarding astrology, which I take you mean like horoscopes which claim to be based upon the alignment of the celestial planets. As one who likes to garden, I hear that planting when the moon is full is suppose to help plants get started, and things like that which one might read in the Farmer's Almanac. But I am not really sure what you are asking, do I practice sorcery? or dabble in astrology? No, not intentionally anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Drawing lots for decisions is a form of magic (divination), happens a lot in the Bible. George Washington is quoted as saying that a Nation could not be rightly governed without God and the Bible. Which I'll say you will probably disagree with. But if I asked you if a think a Nation can be rightly governed without Truth and Knowledge of History? would you say that is probably true? There is old saying, the more things change the more they stay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Justus you don't make any sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Drawing lots for decisions is a form of magic (divination), happens a lot in the Bible. George Washington is quoted as saying that a Nation could not be rightly governed without God and the Bible. Which I'll say you will probably disagree with. But if I asked you if a think a Nation can be rightly governed without Truth and Knowledge of History? would you say that is probably true? There is old saying, the more things change the more they stay the same. "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion . . . " http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion . . . " http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp Do you hold this truth as self evident, that all men are created equal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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