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Believe In God In 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof)


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I'm not sure where you are taking my this? Surly just firing a link with a video is not all that's intended here? What point do you intend to make or do you have questions about the video? I can only assume that the crux of this guys argument is some variation of the "fine tuned" universe? How about you come back and fill in the questions I asked so we can have dialogue that relate to your ideas or questions?

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I'm not sure where you are taking my this? Surly just firing a link with a video is not all that's intended here? What point do you intend to make or do you have questions about the video? I can only assume that the crux of this guys argument is some variation of the "fine tuned" universe? How about you come back and fill in the questions I asked so we can have dialogue that relate to your ideas or questions?

Hi rg. I am still learning about science, biology, and the universe. I posted this video with the hopes that someone could help refute it, or else explain how this person is wrong in their understanding of science and the universe. I should have added that to the link. My humble apologies. 

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No problem at all. What are your thoughts? What parts of the video do you think are convincing or have questions about? This is a cosmological constant argument for a fine tuned universe, yes?

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At 4:23 in the video, at the left of the screen, it lists sets of forces and the biblical god. 1) Not physical 2) Acts on the physical 3) Created the physical from nothing 4) Predates the universe - Is this a logical argument on his part to prove god?

 

I am a newbie to this, so if my questions are rather imbecile or elementary, that would be the reason.

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Well, we need to ask about said claims. How can a force be "non-physical" but act on physical objects? Forces essentially cause objects to accelerate by transferring energy and doing work. Is this guy able to give specific examples of these "non-physical forces" and how they are able to interact with the physical world. Regarding the concept of "predating the universe," the concepts of time and date are not at all well defined in any sense prior to "the beginning of the observable universe," therefore he would have to have a robust definition of what it means to "predate the universe." Is there any evidence whatsoever that an intelligent designer created "something from nothing."

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At 4:23 in the video, at the left of the screen, it lists sets of forces and the biblical god. 1) Not physical 2) Acts on the physical 3) Created the physical from nothing 4) Predates the universe - Is this a logical argument on his part to prove god?

 

I am a newbie to this, so if my questions are rather imbecile or elementary, that would be the reason.

 

 

It is nonsense.

 

Blango is not physical.

Blango acts on the physical.

Blango will destroy the world unless I can build my anti-Blango device.

By the way, my anti-Blango device is also not physical so don't demand to see it.

I can't show you the plans for it either.  Only non-physical plans can build a non-physical device.

I can't build my anti-Blango device unless people help fund me.  

It's weird how a non-physical device need physical money.  But take it on faith.

I need at least a few million . . . maybe more.  More is better.

 

 

How much money are you willing to contribute?  Remember the fate of the world hangs in the balance.

 

If my argument about Blango is not persuasive then neither are claims about God.

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1 to 37             Implied appeal to authority fallacy.  This guy lists off all his credentials as a physicist and as a Torah teacher.  These do not make him an expert on god.

 

37 to 50           Are just strait lies.  Hey when in doubt lie your a$$ off.

 

51 to  1:40       Is a distraction.  He tries to confuse the audience.  None of that implies anything at all to do with god.

 

1:40 to 1:47     He equates beginning to creation.  It's a dishonest move.

 

1:48 to 1:53     Science does adjust when new data is discovered.  That doesn't make god real.  It's irrelevant.

 

1:55 to 1:58     He ironically makes a true statement.  The Bible is wrong from the very first sentence.  This is a known fact.  But he didn't mean it that way.

 

1:59 to 2:25     Yes, we discovered facts which lead to forming the theory of the Big Bang.  That is how science works.

 

2:26 to 2:30     He lies his a$$ off again.  The fricking Bible did not predict a singularity expanding for 13 billion years.  Why does god need liars?

 

If time didn't exist before the expansion that does not imply there is a god.

 

2:30 to 3:08     He distracts the audience with the meaning of vacuum.  It has nothing to do with the existence of god.

 

3:09 to 4:30     He confuses his audience with a bait and switch.  He pulls up a list of highly debatable traits of the laws of nature and then asserts that matches god.

 

The fricking Bible does not say that god is quantum fluctuation.  Not even once.

 

 

But what a wonderful God this guy has created!  God is the uncaring force that drives everything.  If you get burned then God is the physical laws that cause the fire to burn you.  If you fall to your death God is the gravity that kills you.  God is the cold, cruel world that causes millions to be born only to suffer and then pointlessly die.  God doesn't care.  Why should we worship the inanimate forces of physics?  Occam's Razor slices though that.  It is much simpler to call these forces of nature "forces of nature" and then not worry about personifying them as God.

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Excellent, MM!

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So looking at the previous posts the argument there is basically " we don't know everything with 100 % certainty therefore gawd".

 

That's... convincing I guess... if you already believe.

 

But nothing more. :fdevil:

 

Like MM said above, that way you can prove pretty much everything. It's the old problem about pretty much everything having an unlimited number of possible explanations for it, so which to choose?

 

Enter Occam's Razor. Science wins. ;)

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Doesn't it just get you all tingly when they use God and science in the same sentence or question? Yeah, let's use science, which only deals with the natural world, to prove/disprove something that is supernatural. Sometimes I wonder how the folks who make such videos and articles can keep their faces straight when discussing these kinds of claims they make to the general public.

 

I mean, the instant you call this deity's supposed awesome wisdom into question, or point out contradictions in the creation myth, they start throwing around terms like "beyond our understanding" , "He is supernatural and outside our limitations", etc.

 

Supernatural can't science! I want to beat it into their brains. Sear it across their foreheads so they see it in their bathroom mirror every morning. 

 

***I'm not yelling at anyone here...just venting...***

 

Yeah, the title should have immediately set off your crock of shit radar. Anytime you see the word science and God in the same sentence structure, they've already lost the discussion. Even if it the sentence reads "Science proves God doesn't exist". Science doesn't operate like that for either side of the argument.

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Although i am well versed when it comes to christianity and faith and know how to see through all that, i have to humbly admit that i don't know the first thing about science and the universe, which is why as a newbie to science and what we know about the universe, i am unable to discern through scientific explanations like the video above. When i was a christian, learning science and gaining an understanding of what we know about life and the universe was a huge no-no in the church. I guess the biggest question i had was, is this guy legit, or is this video just science with gods name thrown into it so unlearned people like me might buy into it and leave atheism. After reading the posts above, i have my answer. Thank you to all who took time out of their busy schedule to explain it to me. I appreciate it. -Cat

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