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How America Screws Up The Death Penalty


Lilith666

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There are no monsters

 

Yes, there are.

 

 

Do you think the people to the left or to the right of people in the coliseum thought "man look at that monster" while they all stood there and watched innocents for the most part get eaten or stabbed and beaten to death. I am guessing they just laughed...

 

perspective is a son of a bitch.

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bdp: Yes. A rapist, an abuser, a child molester, a person who deliberately hurts and manipulates other people for his/her own benefit--these are monsters. To say there aren't any ("just people who do monstrous things") is naïve.

 

I think there are more politicians that are monsters than most other world class jackoffs.

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Not the way the government does execution, it's not a deterrent. It should be, though--I personally think hard labor, water, and stale bread for the rest of one's life would be more effective than the current system.

 

In several ways, yes. Jail the greatest monsters for life, without parole. No risk of irreversible mistakes (if they turn out to be innocent later), you can make them work to pay for their expenses, and (depending on what they're in for) you don't create martyrs.

 

That's what occurs to me spontaneously :)

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Jailing an innocent person and forcing him/her to pay for something s/he didn't do would be an irreversible mistake, since they can't get those years back. But it's most certainly preferable to executing that person.

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Point taken ;)

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Vigile, what I'm trying to say is that I don't support the death penalty for various reasons, but if the government is going to punish a person in this way, it should be an actual punishment. Not something watered-down because we are trying to "take the high road." Worrying about whether the convict is in pain doesn't count as distributing punishment.

 

In my mind, retribution is not the role of society. How can it be? Society, as a group, isn't fundamentally or objectively better than those it seeks to punish; it just establishes rules for those things punishable and those things not (such as killing and maiming over 1M people in Iraq, etc...). I personally don't want society running around punishing people as once truly freed to run down that road, it will simply just invent nastier and nastier ways to accomplish this.

 

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As I understand it, it's meant to teach the punished person a lesson to change her behavior in the future

 

 

Or, to dissuade others from going down a similar path. Unfortunately, the correlation between death penalty and violent crime isn't inverted. IOW, there is no evidence that the death penalty reduces violent crime. Add to that, that it costs 3x on average more to sentence someone to death than it does to house them away from society for life, it just doesn't make logical sense. Those who support it, do so for reasons other than logic.

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Not the way the government does execution, it's not a deterrent. It should be, though--I personally think hard labor, water, and stale bread for the rest of one's life would be more effective than the current system.

 

It's been done before and it did not serve as a deterrent. In fact, crime is way down in the modern era compared to the days of French penal colonies and British exiles to Australia and the western noose. I'm personally happy we have laws against cruel and unusual punishment. We as a society can be just as cruel as those we seek to protect ourselves against but for rules barring us.

 

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There are no monsters

 

Yes, there are.

 

 

Do you think the people to the left or to the right of people in the coliseum thought "man look at that monster" while they all stood there and watched innocents for the most part get eaten or stabbed and beaten to death. I am guessing they just laughed...

 

perspective is a son of a bitch.

 

 

What does the Coliseum have to do with this?

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bdp: Yes. A rapist, an abuser, a child molester, a person who deliberately hurts and manipulates other people for his/her own benefit--these are monsters. To say there aren't any ("just people who do monstrous things") is naïve.

 

I think there are more politicians that are monsters than most other world class jackoffs.

 

 

That's asinine.

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