Castiel233 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Picture yourself as God: Your power is complete You know everything there is and ever will be You can never die, or get sick, or be beaten The entirety of creation bends to your will You can (should you so wish) travel through time....heck, I guess you could even get time to travel through you So on and so on........... Yet........you get upset over certain fabrics worn at the same time and concern yourself with beard length according to the Bible....... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sylensikeelyoo Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Exactly. Your post reminded me of this conversation I had on a Christian forum when I was still a believer. We were arguing about whether or not homosexuality is immoral. I made this argument: Picture a massive, all powerful, all knowing being who created this vast universe with an uncountable amount of galaxies. Then he makes this one galaxy in a really remote spit in this gigantic universe, and in a small, remote location on the edge of this galaxy, he places a tiny blue rock and puts people on it. Do you really think that this all powerful, mighty being in all of His infinite wisdom and intellect give a flying fuck about how the people choose to have sex? Seems like a small detail if you really think about the BIG picture. The other person was like "uh, well just...just put yourself in God's shoes, blah blah blah about righteousness and perfection blahty blah random scripture reference that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, yackity yack. And I'm all like, " Sorry dude, I can't put myself in God's shoes. If I were God, I wouldn't concern myself so much about small things like what people think about, how they behave sexually, or dumb stuff like that. I would let my creation live their lives and do what they do without judging them or interfering in any way. I would design a system where whatever they believe will happen to them after they die, that's what happens. It would be less messy that way. It would put the burden of afterlife solely on my creation, not me. I would not demand people worship me, fear me, or gravel before me. I would much rather they make the most of every second of their lives, not make me their focus. But that's just me. So as you can see, I can't understand God's logic or his ways, for they are NOTHING like mine. Then I got banned because a huge argument ensued about how I think I'm better than Gid. Whatever. I'm pretty sure that's not what I meant by any of that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel233 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 This is the odd thing about Biblical Christianity: We are told there is an all powerful , all knowing being, who is perfect and without wants.......... Yet who cares about really trivial stuff...... Equally we are told He wants all to be saved, and none to perish........yet has authored a book, in which even founding figures disagreed (Paul and Peter). If He wants all in Heaven, then just let them in.......why all the mystery, and shadows......... It doesn't make sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 You have all the cosmic power in the universe. You create silly creatures that are not very bright. You hide from the silly creatures so they can't see you. You get jealous when these silly creatures make idols out of wood, iron, stone or clay. You don't tell most of them your name but are deeply offended and hold a grudge when the silly creatures call God by the wrong name. Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 To me it always seemed like getting really really really really really mad at babies and toddlers for behaving like babies and toddlers. How dare they cry! How dare they want things! How dare they demand things! As an adult, you realize that babies and toddlers are innocent in their crying and needs and it's your job to fulfill them, as best you can. I certainly wouldn't kill them or think of them as horrible sinners. I always thought god should be more like a mature parent loving and being patient with the babies, rather than an angry, jealous being. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 OP, you sound like a train wreck. Always the same ranting against God. Don't you become sick of it by now? I think Christianity has earned that ranting. It is very well deserved considering all the suffering Christianity has caused in the last 2,000 years. Pointing out the logical flaws in the God concept doesn't strike me as a train wreck. Rather it is a good start. It helps many people recover. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 You have to understand that christianity has really screwed with people psychologically and to continue to rant against it is therapeutic. The OP is the reason i joined this site, and he is one of my few favorite posters on here. Not everyone can just "recover" after a few ranting posts. I hope the OP continues to expose christianity for the death cult it really is. Very few, and i can only think of a couple of people on this entire site, really continue to tear christianity down to the ground, which is what some of us need in order to continue our recovery process. -peace 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 1.Then attack the myth or the religiona Creator. 2.The majority of the world is aware that a Creator exists. 1.That's exactly what were doing. God is a myth. God is at the center of religion. 2. Not really. The majority of the world believes in the god of religion, not an abstract creator who doesn't care and has left humanity to suffer and die. I recommend you read a book called How "god" Works. It will end whatever belief you have in a make believe creator. How "God" Works: A Logical Inquiry on Faith: Marshall Brain: 9781454910619: Amazon.com: Books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Thank you for the suggestion. God is not a myth. Biblegod is a myth. All gods are myth. This is a mundane claim. Those who think a cosmic wizard exists should back up that idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 My proof to you is the laws by which the universe works. Yet the laws of the universe are completely hostile towards all life. Why would a creator create life, then create laws that work against the very life he/she/it created? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Thank you for the suggestion. God is not a myth. Biblegod is a myth. All gods are myth. This is a mundane claim. Those who think a cosmic wizard exists should back up that idea. You cannot be sure of that. You make dimwitted statements. We only live on a planet that is like one grain of sand compared to all the beaches that exist and we don't even understand our own planet. You have false bravado and you are an indoctrinated atheist. I can be sure of it beyond a reasonable doubt. We have been down this road before. If you like I can repeat the argument. You could not refute it before and you will not refute it now. I'm not indoctrinated, I'm following all of the available evidence. The laws by which the universe works do not indicate there are gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 My proof to you is the laws by which the universe works. Yet the laws of the universe are completely hostile towards all life. Why would a creator create life, then create laws that work against the very life he/she/it created? Hostile or not hostile is not the point. You survive well don't you. Evolution has given you a decent deal in life. I do not survive well. Neither does anyone else. The evidential proof of this is a thing called death. I have a question for you. Since you are coming up with another god to believe in, yes, i know, it's the one true god, what is your god like. How can you worship a god that you have absolutely no knowledge of? Is your a god a male? female? energy with intelligence? alien? goat? frog with a lions head? If your god has intelligence to create things, then this god has the intelligence to know that it is responsible for all the suffering going on the planet, yet does nothing about it. It also has the intelligence to know that people like me would be harping on he/she/it for causing all the suffering thereby ridiculing he/she/it. Wouldn't an intelligent creator know this before hand and create a world filled with perfection and love and peace knowing that people like me would praise this god, instead of ridiculing it? Why does your god allow suffering but doesn't care? Why does your god create things, only to instantly abandon them? Why does your god allow suffering in the world? Why does your god create life knowing that life is going to die? Why does your god create death? Why does your god allow human babies to suffer horrible deformities? Why does your god allow women of all ages to get raped? Why does your god allow humans to build weapons of mass destruction? Why does your god allow innocent people to get brutally tortured and murdered? To say that your god is above good and evil yet allows evil to continue to thrive is to be an accomplice to that very evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 There is no evidence for a creator of the universe. It seems to exist on it's own. Maybe the universe is god.. who knows.. and more what would it matter? An eternal being may or may not exist… it's all probability and philosophy at this point and that is ALL it is. Oh.. and ranting, debunking, etc... is what this site is about… it's IMPORTANT, for as long as someone needs it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunea Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's the Rants section on a support website, so there will be a lot of ranting. If someone gets tired of it, they can by all means stop reading it and move on, and let those rant who still need it. Many times frustration, anger and bitterness that still boils within me is put to words perfectly by a rant here and becomes easier to deal with, so it's actually helpful to read them too. I sometimes joke around with the idea that we're a SimCity type project of aliens, or some other that sort of project started by a superior being...just for a thought exercise. But those thoughts always end up with me feeling like they must have entirely abandoned the planet long ago, or they deeply regret starting it when watching all the illness, deformity, hate, wars, and overall slow destroying of the planet itself that they can't stop now because they've promised to be faithful to their original idea. It's only a thought of course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I sometimes joke around with the idea that we're a SimCity type project of aliens, or some other that sort of project started by a superior being...just for a thought exercise. But those thoughts always end up with me feeling like they must have entirely abandoned the planet long ago, or they deeply regret starting it when watching all the illness, deformity, hate, wars, and overall slow destroying of the planet itself that they can't stop now because they've promised to be faithful to their original idea. It's only a thought of course. That makes perfect sense if God is Ramsay Bolton. He gives us moments of joy only so that we can suffer even more latter on. Then he can watch us struggle before turning us into his cowering servants. And all the while he has that insane smirk on his face as if he gets sexual pleasure from it. "Oh, I gave you cancer? Well pray to me that I might heal you. Opps, called you home instead. My bad. I'm so mysterious. Now your kids have cancer. Let's see if they pray to me for healing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's the Rants section on a support website, so there will be a lot of ranting. If someone gets tired of it, they can by all means stop reading it and move on, and let those rant who still need it. Many times frustration, anger and bitterness that still boils within me is put to words perfectly by a rant here and becomes easier to deal with, so it's actually helpful to read them too. I agree. If Eternal Student can't handle the rants, then don't read the Rants section. Simple as that. And if you want to prove that God exists, by all means give us the evidence but it can't be stuff like laws of nature because evidence of God must of necessity be supernatural, i.e. it cannot be something with a natural explanation. If it has a natural explanation, or a natural explanation is possible down the road, then it isn't evidence for God. God is supernatural, above nature. This was established millennia ago and you can't just change it now because it feels good. The thing that changed is that today humans have the ability to prove natural causes for things like thunder and hail whereas this didn't used to be the case. Natural cause(s) for the origins of life and the universe are just around the corner of discovery. So what is your supernatural evidence for God? We also know natural causes for near-death-experience visions and other hallucinations--auditory and visual, and for the so-called intuitive feeling of God's presence. This applies across the board of gods and supernatural entities. But I'm open for learning something new, for real evidence of God's existence or the existence of the supernatural realm. It's just that the evidence truly has to be real and it has to measure up as described above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunea Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I sometimes joke around with the idea that we're a SimCity type project of aliens, or some other that sort of project started by a superior being...just for a thought exercise. But those thoughts always end up with me feeling like they must have entirely abandoned the planet long ago, or they deeply regret starting it when watching all the illness, deformity, hate, wars, and overall slow destroying of the planet itself that they can't stop now because they've promised to be faithful to their original idea. It's only a thought of course. That makes perfect sense if God is Ramsay Bolton. He gives us moments of joy only so that we can suffer even more latter on. Then he can watch us struggle before turning us into his cowering servants. And all the while he has that insane smirk on his face as if he gets sexual pleasure from it. "Oh, I gave you cancer? Well pray to me that I might heal you. Opps, called you home instead. My bad. I'm so mysterious. Now your kids have cancer. Let's see if they pray to me for healing." Hahaha thanks mymistake, I indeed forgot the Sadistic Supreme Being option. He may also be like "I'll send a huge storm over there, hahaaa look at them run! But oh the area they're running to is, ummm oh I know, on fire! Lolcopters! But I'll spare a church and they'll thank me in the end. Mmmm..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Why does he indeed. He didn't create the earth. Evolution did the trick. He started the process. Don't seek to blame him if there is a zit your nose. He is intelligent yes and is the creator of this vast vastness we call universe. I stand in awe of him. Your doing exactly what you claim religions do, pigeonhole god. You're creating your own god and your own doctrine on what you think he/she/it is like, based on the belief that he/she/it created the universe and its laws. All religions believe in god for the same reasons as you do, he/she/it created the universe and laws etc. Your beliefs for believing in a god are no different than all the other thousands of religions. You also state that god is a he, how did you come to this conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 You can't put God in a box. Your mind is a million times smaller than his if you look at his work. You keep contradicting yourself! You keep saying people can't pigeonhole god or put "him" in a box. By stating that god is a "he" you are already pigeonholing and putting god in a box as a male entity. You may not be able to see it, but if you go back over your own posts, you are describing what you think is god, which is pigeonholing he/she/it and putting he/she/it in a box. You are coming up with your own doctrine here, which is exactly how man made religions get started in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Fuck off... You're all going to Hell. Jesus exists. @everyone else Don't take the bait. He is just going through a rough phase. He will be feeling better hopefully in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I am sorry you are not feeling well henry. I hope you feel better soon. No matter what i say, i am here for you. Please remember that we are only having a discussion about these things. Think of me as the student and you as the teacher. I am asking questions and making statements with the hope that you can come back and refute what i said. This is all just healthy debate, nothing else. -I will now fuck off Seriously, feel better henry. (hugs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenaissanceWoman Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I sometimes joke around with the idea that we're a SimCity type project of aliens, or some other that sort of project started by a superior being...just for a thought exercise. But those thoughts always end up with me feeling like they must have entirely abandoned the planet long ago, or they deeply regret starting it when watching all the illness, deformity, hate, wars, and overall slow destroying of the planet itself that they can't stop now because they've promised to be faithful to their original idea. It's only a thought of course. That makes perfect sense if God is Ramsay Bolton. He gives us moments of joy only so that we can suffer even more latter on. Then he can watch us struggle before turning us into his cowering servants. And all the while he has that insane smirk on his face as if he gets sexual pleasure from it. "Oh, I gave you cancer? Well pray to me that I might heal you. Opps, called you home instead. My bad. I'm so mysterious. Now your kids have cancer. Let's see if they pray to me for healing." Hahaha thanks mymistake, I indeed forgot the Sadistic Supreme Being option. He may also be like "I'll send a huge storm over there, hahaaa look at them run! But oh the area they're running to is, ummm oh I know, on fire! Lolcopters! But I'll spare a church and they'll thank me in the end. Mmmm..." This is why I love the Rants section. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Fuck off... You're all going to Hell. Jesus exists. You are grieving the Holy Spirit by ignoring him. You do it at your own peril. I don't get how we happen to allow true believers in the Rants section. I guess the rules have changed since I was a regular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoOne Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 You are grieving the Holy Spirit by ignoring him. You do it at your own peril. I hope you don't take offense to this, but I thought you were a deist the other day? Then you wrote about Christians having a missing link in the Lion's Den...why do you keep jumping around in your beliefs? I'm honestly curious, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I don't get how we happen to allow true believers in the Rants section. I guess the rules have changed since I was a regular. I hope you don't take offense to this, but I thought you were a deist the other day? Then you wrote about Christians having a missing link in the Lion's Den...why do you keep jumping around in your beliefs? I'm honestly curious, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything like that. It's called bipolar. In ancient times people with bipolar were taken to be prophets. We didn't have medication back then so there was no way to control it. The feeling that God is real is simply a specific chemical concentration in the brain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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