Guest biscuit Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I posted previously about the unforgivable sin, and people seem to have different thoughts about what it is. Has anyone had a thought come into their head equating Jesus with the devil or demon? How do you feel about Jesus as a person now you've deconverted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 28, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2015 Jesus and all other mythological characters are irrelevant in the real world; that is until somebody thinks a character is real and feels the need to prove it to the unbelievers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Jesus doesn't seem to be real. Maybe there was a crazy, homeless guy named Joshua but he didn't do the things mentioned in the gospels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becks Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I'm lazy here and still slogging through Bart Ehrman's works. Can someone give away the ending? Was The Jesus of the bible a true historical person that was crucified by the Romans? Are we left with deciding 1) to believe whether he is God or just a man or 2) that he did not exist at all and the whole story is a fabrication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Was The Jesus of the bible a true historical person that was crucified by the Romans? No. The Romans were very good record keepers. If there had been a Jesus the Romans would have made note of him. Instead what we get is the Romans first noticing Christians about a hundred years after the time of Paul. That is when the Romans start talking about what Christians believe. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becks Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Thank you, MM. Just a quick glance at that link is unexpectedly relieving. I have more work to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 FYI Bart thinks he did exist. Not that it matters what anyone thinks since we'll never find out. I don't think the Romans would have made note of him as they crucified a lot of lil uprisings and criminals. I don't think he was that big of a deal without all the 'miracles' added to the stories later. Just a guy and some fish dudes... If he did exist that is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 FYI Bart thinks he did exist. Not that it matters what anyone thinks since we'll never find out. I don't think the Romans would have made note of him as they crucified a lot of lil uprisings and criminals. I don't think he was that big of a deal without all the 'miracles' added to the stories later. Just a guy and some fish dudes... If he did exist that is Jesus Ben Sirach was real. He was a Rabi and his teachings became a type of scripture. He had a school in Egypt and later taught in Jerusalem. The only trouble is that he died about 150 years before Paul. That is perfect timing for people to latch onto his name and building all kinds of myths and legends around the name "Jesus". But Ben Sirach wasn't executed and Rome didn't control Palestine back then. Back then religion was an endless game of "Telephone" where stories got passed around for being popular so the stories quickly grew and evolved in ways that made them more popular. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunea Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 How do I feel about Jesus? Well, meh. His "good stuff" is not unique, a lot of it is common sense really, and the stuff that is not so good...well. Blah. I'm sure things didn't go the way described in the bible due to the Broken telephone effect, it most likely was much less dramatic. I wouldn't care if there weren't so many of his followers who spread so much hate, and so many others who take from the poor and give to themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadeshet Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Hebrews 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. (NIV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I posted previously about the unforgivable sin, and people seem to have different thoughts about what it is. Has anyone had a thought come into their head equating Jesus with the devil or demon? How do you feel about Jesus as a person now you've deconverted? I never thought Jesus was a devil or demon because I know there are no such things. However, the biblical portrayal shows he was often a jerk -- cursing fig trees for acting natural, calling a non-Jewish woman a dog, killing a lot of pigs, promoting the concept of hell, etc., etc. I can do without that kind of "savior." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeCycle Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 For me, it doesn't really matter if he existed or not because I don't think Jesus was really all that "good." I mean, if he was a god in the flesh, he knew everything... He said things he knew would cause suffering and division in future generations. Hate your family? Seriously? Sell everything you have? Seriously? To what extent? What will I eat? Where will I sleep? In Luke 7 he heals a slave but says nothing about the ownership of one human to another. Here's an opportunity to scrutinize slave ownership but he says nothing...Whether hell is biblical or not, he knew it would be preached that way by the majority and thus many would live in fear and be manipulated due to it. He's silent. He taught people to be victims with the whole "turn the other cheek" thing. He told some peeps he was going to be back before they tasted death. They're dead. Do you think they knew he was speaking in a metaphor? He wasn't lying, it was a metaphor!!! Sketchy Jesus. The guy was a confusing prick. He wasn't progressive for the time. His ideologies fit that era perfectly. Why? Because he was a product (either real or man-made) of that time.... Reflecting the thinking of the time. When judging Jesus one needs to judge him as a god. Not a man. As a man, I guess he was okay for that time... But as a god, he totally flubbed his opportunity to impress and convince. Claims of magic will work for some, but his philosophies are what miss the mark for those requiring something that makes Christianity stand out in a sea of religions the world over. And there's much more... These are just a few items I could think of at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Imaginary character whose popularity got out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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