The Nice Guy Award.

July 4, 2015

Think of all the shit the devil has done to man, now think of all the shit bible God has done to man.

Christians who do you think wins the nice guy award.

July 4, 2015

Total count:

Killed By God: 2,821,364

Killrd By Satan:10

How Many People Did God Slaughter in the Bible?

Is Satan the bad guy because he doesn't want us to worship Yahweh?

July 4, 2015

LOL!!! I can't wait to see what Christians are going to say.

July 4, 2015

...and the count isn't done. According to Revelations, God has just started.

July 4, 2015

Man God has a higher body count than every slasher movie.

July 4, 2015

Here is another interesting point to all this OT killing God, it's always OT God to Christians and never Jesus actually pulling the trigger.

Then you say

"But Jesus is God."

But they just never make the connection.

July 5, 2015

Who are the 10 individuals that Satan murdered? I don't recall reading/hearing about that in the bible.

July 5, 2015

Satan and Job had a bet. With god's permission, 10 of Job's children were killed.

July 5, 2015

So does God get 50% of the credit for those killings also?

July 5, 2015

He gets 100% of the credit. Any "god" who is supposedly All Powerfull and All Knowing is responsible for everything. There must be a sign on god's desk that says "The buck stops here.".

July 5, 2015

If that's the case, Satan hasn't killed anybody at all.

I find it funny that one of the ten commandents is to not kill anyone while God orders people to be killed later on in the OT. God's not even following his own rules.

July 5, 2015

Remember that god is the alpha and omega, the first and the last, and the admittant to creating evil. Evil was created by god and according to apologists (god's defense lawyers) no one can commit evil unless god first allows it. Since god allows it, he is an accomplice at the least.

July 5, 2015

In revelation, the antichrist comes and makes peace on earth and brings unity and everyone together for the good of humankind. Then jesus shows up and kills most of the earth's population while torturing the rest. Makes you wonder who the real prince of peace is.

Antichrist for humans - Jesus against humans.

Even if jesus wins in the end, he still loses, because the bible itself exposes him as murderer and a liar.

The antichrist wins the nice guy award.

p.s. none of them exist anyways so....

July 5, 2015

Sometimes I think that God is really Satan and Jesus and the Holy Spirit were just some shit he made up along the way.

All signs point to God being an evil prick. His son isn't much better. So why do people keep defending this shitbag?

If he were an average joe, he'd be in prison serving life for killing babies and raping virgins. But since he's GAWWWWWD, people worship him despite his criminal history.

July 5, 2015

Do christians turn up to these events?

July 5, 2015

No. They know they don't have any evidence to back up their insanity, or their man made religion of choice. -Cat

July 6, 2015

An executioner kills a condemned prisoner with the State's authority. It's the responsibility of the higher authority, King or State, for the killing. Technically, Satan killed Job's family, but it was god's responsibility. Satan executed Job's family as part of a stupid wager. The moral of the story is that Job still kissed god's ass.

July 6, 2015

July 11, 2015

Wow! Is this thread just a perfect example of how anger and hatred towards something just feeds upon itself?

Cat, as you stated: "p.s. none of them exist anyways so....", so why all the energy and hatred directed at someone that doesn't exist? That would be like frequently ranting about Bugs Bunny or Micky Mouse. Quite pointless and a waste of time.

It seems that most every thread eventually devolves down the same rabbit hole. Everyone jumping like lemmings over the cliff, trying to see who can claim the best twisted truth and the last word in trashing God.

So much mental and emotional energy spent. So much time wasted formulating, in some cases, articulate arguments and replies. And all this simply to debunk a supposedly fictional and non-existant character? I don't think any of you are so foolish as to waste so much of your limited precious time remaining (for those who don't believe in any afterlife) arguing against a fictional character. Move on already. Go live your life the best you can. Based on your postings in this forum, I can assume it's working out wonderfully well for you. Or is it...?

But since I'm pretty sure that all of you will remain here to continue trashing God and His followers, I think that this suggests highly that you do in fact believe in God, and you know that Jesus died for all our sins. Ranting and raving, denying, twisting scripture, throwing temper tantrums, and name calling works brilliantly to mask the truth, but it cannot change the truth.

Now, I know your ready to battle, so let's get on with it. HBEtechnician posed the following question:

"Think of all the shit the devil has done to man, now think of all the shit bible God has done to man.

Christians who do you think wins the nice guy award."

Unfortunately, this question in itself is quite absurd, and I'm not sure what it exposes about the experience or knowledge of the O.P. regarding competent or caring leadership.

Whether in business, politics, or anywhere else, a strong, competent, successful leader does not worry about winning some "nice guy" award. He or she cares for the organization and people that they are responsible for. The best leaders will make decisions based on what will be good in the end for everyone. Often the people will grumble and complain because they lack facts or accurate information regarding the big picture.

God has already spelled out the "big picture" for all of us. It is in the Bible, particularely in the New Testament.

It's not that hard to wrap your mind around. Here it is in a nutshell:

God created the universe. He created beings with free will, desires, and other attributes, including Lucifer, who's desire eventually turned to envy. That envy grew to mistrust and hatred of God. This eventually led to Lucifer battling God, and being defeated. Lucifer was then cast down to the earth, where he is allowed to roam and rule for awhile.

(If God were so vengeful and hateful, don't you think that He would have just "poofed" Lucifer away. Eliminated Lucifer's soul and existance? How about Lucifer's army, 1/3 of the angels? Why not simply eliminate them? Eliminate the threat? Start over with fresh angels?)

So now God creates humans, with souls, desires, and the ability to both receive and give love. (Most people think of humans as "bodies with souls". The soul as secondary, but this is incorrect. We are actually "souls inhabiting bodies". The soul, and heart, is primary to God.)

Right from the start God warns us about Lucifer, who is now known as Satan (or the devil). That Satan has become evil, and roams the earth. We are warned of Satan's lies, deceipt, and trickery. It's easy to understand a growing threat when you can see it coming at you, but the limitations of our physical eyesite and other senses don't even allow us to see him, to see spirit beings or angels, thus the threat was not understood.

We are also warned that we will have a difficult time here on earth. We will endure pain, hardship, disease, hatred, and many other troubles. In other words "this place is going to suck!". But we need to persevere. We are only here for a very brief time out of our entire infinite lives.

(Our time on this sinful earth out of the length of our infinite lives, can be equated to the time it takes for a single quick refueling stop during a year-long vacation.)

So, Adam and Eve were fooled by Satan into mistrusting God's intentions for them, and made a bad decision based on misrepresented information. Or to put it simply, they were conned by a thief, and unkwowingly let sin, and the effects of it, into this world.

I can imagine God might have been thinking "Crap! The kids have screwed up the whole plan. Now how do I fix this?"

I personally don't think that God expected sin to have such devestating effects on us, His children. I see many posts in this forum either referring to, or quoting OT scripture to show Gods anger.

Why wouldn't He get angry? His children are well warned about all types of evil and temptations, yet they continually gravitate towards it. Then when things get really bad, they come running back to their father (God) for awhile, who forgives them and takes them in. Feeds and clothes them again. The next thing you know, they get complacent and bored, and go wandering away towards trouble, and sin, again.

A side-note:

My daughters have been well-warned against drugs and the high rate of addiction. If one of them now was seduced into a drug addiction, I would be royally p*ssed! Not because of her getting addicted. But because she chose to trust in the seductive lies of the drug more than she chose to trust in me, their father, who only has their best intentions at heart, and who told them only the truth.

Next I would be working to get her out of the addiction. There would be arguing and fights. There would be denying the truth. She would probably say that she hated me, that I'm too controlling, that I have too many rules. There would be a lot of pain for both of us. I would forgive her, even if she never forgave me. Maybe she would never speak to me again. That would be her choice. But I would go to extremes to help her find the right path again.

Now back in history, things are getting really screwed up. The Jews are misunderstanding God, and have created over 600 rules to follow. They believe that God is all about rules and regulations. If you're a Jew, you can hardly move without breaking one of their manmade rules.

But it's simply not true. Another lie cooked up by the devil, and successfully implanted into religion. We see this still today in many religions.

So God formulates a new plan. A new covenent, if you will. It is so clever and brilliant in that it both covers the debt of the blood sacrifice required for payment of sins, while not a single drop of blood needs to be shed by any person born of a human man and woman to pay that debt!

God decides that He Himself will pay the debt for His children's mistakes.

(Have any of you ever decided to pay for a mistake your child made? Why did you do it?)

So a part of God's soul or energy (pick your favorite term) is born on earth in the form of a human, in the person of Jesus. For all practical purposes, he is entirely human. He has the same experiences that all of us have. He has to learn everything down here, just as we do from the time we're babies.

The difference is that Jesus's heart and soul are more directly connected to God. (This is highly simplified, but you should get the point.)

Part of God's plan includes opening up salvation to the entire world's population. It is no longer just for the Jews, but for everyone, everywhere.

God, as Jesus, will take all human sin upon Himself, allow Himself to be insulted, whipped, beaten, scourged, and put to death. When He died on the cross, His soul was then forsaken by God in heaven for a short time, so He could "decend" to hell and complete His work of defeating Satan.

Jesus then rose 3 days later. It is well documented that He was seen by several hundred people. This gives us proof that there is life after what we call "death".

God's plan gave "debt paid-in-full" credit to all humans that died before Jesus's crucifixion, and will continue to give credit to all humans at their death. The covenent is for no human to ever have to pay for their sins. This is the default position. The offer is in place from the time you are born, but the credit is given when you die from this earth.

Take note that God does not look for ways to trip-you-up, or to create obstacles in your path. He does not create rules that will disqualify you.

A father does not pay the child's debt, just to turn around and offer the child the same temptation that caused the child's debt in the first place.

But be forwarned, that after the father offers to pay for the child's debt, if the child tells the father to get lost, he doesn't need his father's help, or if he tells his friends and family that he has no father, that his father never existed, then the truth is that the offer of debt forgiveness may be withdrawn.

You have all your sins forgiven from birth by default. There is nothing you can do to improve this position.

You can however, lose salvation by turning away from Jesus. Put simply, if you adopt the lie that Jesus did not die for your sins, then no one has yet paid for your sins. You are an adult. If you do not want Jesus to stand in for you as your surogate to atone for your sins, then you have every right to deny Him, and pay for your sins on your own. Ask any lawyer that tries his own defense, how that worked out for him. Only a fool does it.

So here we have it, God is continually, for all of history, trying to figure out why we're so obstinate and destructive in all aspects of our lives. Yet, He repeatedly forgives us, sacrifices for us, and tries to set us on the right path. Sure He gets p*ssed once in a while. Who would'nt? If the local gang-bangers were contantly trying to seduce your kids into their gang, wouldn't you do something about it?

As for Satan, just reading the various threads on this site exposes it all. The despair, anger, hatred, mistrust, envy. It says it all. This is all you get when you try to remove God from your life. Absolutely no hope or joy at all.

I do understand that many of you have had very bad personal experiences with church and religion. The stories are everywhere, and many within this forum. Please keep in mind that churches are filled with human people. There is not one that has not sinned many times. Churches, no matter the size, require some type of leadership. Being in this position can become an immense power trip. A very difficult temptation to stand up against.

Often we consider a church and it's leaders a type of "safe haven", thinking in some form that it's off limits to the devil. This is not the case. In fact, the devil does some of his best behind-the-scenes work within churches.

I am not criticizing churches. I belong to a fairly large one. I do not agree with eveything in the church I attend. I have had disagreements with church leaders. But the fellowship and close friendships I have forged there are priceless.

I can only suggest that if you are ever in a situation where someone in a church tries to control you or your actions with rules and regulations, then you should be questioning them and their motives.

July 11, 2015

Hello Humble, welcome!

Do you want us to ask for your proof of any of the stuff you said above about Biblegod all at once, or piece by piece?

Should we just start with the Bible? Do you have anything at all to show that it is "the Word of God" besides the Bible itself saying so?

July 11, 2015

Hello humble. You ask a frequent question. Why all the energy and hatred towards something that doesn't exist? Because of the irreparable psychological damage that Christianity causes. That's like asking why a women still has hatred towards an abusive boyfriend who is longer in her life. It's a rather stupid and unintelligent question.

A better question is, why do you believe in an imaginary deity that doesn't exist?

July 11, 2015

Humble are you for real?

"That would be like frequently ranting about Bugs Bunny or Micky Mouse."

I know you directed this to Catt but let me point out that you missed a vital difference. Nobody is telling you

how you need to live your life based on the teaching of Bugs Bunny or Micky Mouse.

"It seems that most every thread eventually devolves down the same rabbit hole. Everyone jumping like

lemmings over the cliff, trying to see who can claim the best twisted truth and the last word in trashing God."

Then show us the error of our ways using logic and empirical evidence - since we are the lemmings and

you are not. Go on. Just remember the Bible is a set of claims rather then evidence.

"Move on already. Go live your life the best you can. Based on your postings in this forum, I can assume

it's working out wonderfully well for you." Actually I am happier now than I ever have been in my whole life.

However you are confused. Helping others escape from that cult is part of me moving on. Why shouldn't

I help others? I enjoy the work and it improves the lives of even more people.

"I think that this suggests highly that you do in fact believe in God, and you know that Jesus died for all our

sins." I'm sure you think a lot of things that are completely wrong. This is just one more. I think Christ is

imaginary.

"God has already spelled out the "big picture" for all of us. It is in the Bible, particularely in the New

Testament." Oh no you don't. You don't get to come here and pretend we are ignorant. Early Christians

claimed the Old Testament so they made their new religion responsible for the Old Testament. Don't give

us the "complete the law" run around. You need to come up with a logical explanation for why a God of

love and justice would create the barbaric laws of the Old Testament and enforce them on pain of death

for around a thousand years. Of course that is impossible because your religion is made up.

"God created the universe. He created beings with free will, desires, and other attributes, including Lucifer,

who's desire eventually turned to envy. That envy grew to mistrust and hatred of God. This eventually led to

Lucifer battling God, and being defeated. Lucifer was then cast down to the earth, where he is allowed to

roam and rule for awhile. (If God were so vengeful and hateful, don't you think that He would have just

"poofed" Lucifer away. Eliminated Lucifer's soul and existance? How about Lucifer's army, 1/3 of the

angels? Why not simply eliminate them? Eliminate the threat? Start over with fresh angels?)"

The men who created your God were not imaginative enough.

(standard nonsense that is Christian dogma)

Yeah, you have a bunch of unsupported beliefs. They don't mean anything in the real world. Your beliefs

are in conflict with all the known facts. Now if you want to delude yourself it's a free country so go ahead.

But don't try to take away other people's rights or try to shame them. And please don't try to brainwash

little children. Go off by yourself and commune with your imaginary friend.

"I personally don't think that God expected sin to have such devestating effects on us, His children." So you

believe God is not all-knowing? Well that is interesting. That is one thing about Christians. They all have

to pick and choose which parts of the Bible they reject as "a metaphor". Imagining that your God has

ignorance would get him out of the Problem of Evil.

"Now back in history, things are getting really screwed up. The Jews are misunderstanding God, and have

created over 600 rules to follow." Yep it was the Jews who were confused about the Jewish religion and

not the Romans and Greeks that hyjacked Jewish religious elements to create a brand new religion. Sure.

"So God formulates a new plan. A new covenent, if you will." Because your God was ignorant He needed

to come up with a plan B. Why didn't he just forgive people and move on the way a mere mortal can?

Sacrificing himself to himself in order to appease himself seems like a silly plan.

"Part of God's plan includes opening up salvation to the entire world's population. It is no longer just for the

Jews, but for everyone, everywhere." Because God suffered a personality change so now he loves the

whole world. Before gentiles were fit only for slavery or sex slavery for the young girls. But God 2.0 loves

everyone as long as you don't reject Him because then he will hunt you down and torment your forever and

ever and ever like some kind of crazy stalker. So be sure to accept God's love.

"Take note that God does not look for ways to trip-you-up, or to create obstacles in your path." Tell that to

Adam and Eve. God created a sin tree with appealing, good fruit. God put the sin tree right in the middle

of the garden and then God created a talking snake to convince people to eat the fruit. Good thing that, like

God, the whole story is just a myth. And look at the myth of how God tripped up Egypt. God made Pharaoh's

heart hard so that Pharaoh would not agree so that God could kill thousands of people. Maybe the Bible is

wrong about all of that too?

July 11, 2015

1. If god created the universe, then according to the bible the universe is fixed. Yet cosmology proves this false because of an ever expanding universe.

2. Wrong, he did not create free will. Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works (free will), but of him that calleth;)

proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made all things for himself: yes, even the wicked for the day of evil.

No free will.

Dude if your going to come in here and talk shit to me, at least know your bible and what it says. Everything you said in your post is not biblical.

Educate yourself biblically by reading the bible from cover to cover. Use a john gill or Mathew henry commentary to help you. Then study at least introduction books on cosmology, biology and a basic course on science as well.

July 11, 2015

Fresh meat. But unfortunately, he appears to be another dime-a-dozen indoctrination Christian, full of mere assertions of his particular religious dogma and likely versed in standard Christian Apologetics with their attendant logical fallacies, factual lies and misrepresentations and holier-than-thou hubris.

I would not be surprised if this one doesn't last long around here, of his own choosing of course.

July 11, 2015

This is common for brainwashed Christians to say. However, as per the rest of your post, you are dead wrong. My Christian walk was filled with despair and not hope. Anxiety and panic, not joy. Since removing god from my life, I have experienced immense hope and joy. I feel more free now then when I was a Christian.

Now, please provide evidence outside the bible that god exists. Also please provide evidence outside the bible that Christianity is true.

Remember, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.

The Nice Guy Award.

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