Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Because they are good. Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. People don't seem to understand that believing that they are good will also kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme, then they eventually die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Because they are good. Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. People don't seem to understand that believing that they are good will also kill them. "Bad" things (perhaps better described as unfortunate things) happen to virtually all, if not all, people regardless of whether they are tall, short, old, young, "good", "bad", indifferent, happy, sad, able-bodied, disabled and/or a host of other conditions or temperaments. Your post seems to claim that only "good" people experience "bad" things. But, as I'm sure you already know, that is not the case at all. Your Biblical reference is curious, as I see no connection whatsoever between it and your prior sentences. Your conclusion, "People don't seem to understand that believing that they are good will also kill them.", is yet another claim for which I strongly doubt you can support with relevant empirical evidence. Got anything else? And, by the way, welcome to the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. I can provide evidence that "bad" things happen to virtually all, certainly to a larger group than just "good" people. As to the rest of it, you're the one making the mere assertions. You have the burden of proof to support your claims. Since you admit you have "no evidence" (again, your words, not mine), standard rational discourse rules now require you to withdraw your unsupported claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? Yeah, he could be a repeat customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. The last four words are false. And you did not answer my question. Why did God lie in the story? Adam didn't die the day he ate the fruit. Eve didn't die the day she ate the fruit. God said in Gen 2:17 that they would surely die that day. Yet they didn't. Why would God bear false witness? That is a sin. If God sins then that means God doesn't hate sin and God isn't separated from sin. Maybe Christianity is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. I can provide evidence that "bad" things happen to virtually all, certainly to a larger group than just "good" people. As to the rest of it, you're the one making the mere assertions. You have the burden of proof to support your claims. Since you admit you have "no evidence" (again, your words, not mine), standard rational discourse rules now require you to withdraw your unsupported claims. Ok I can't play in a game of entrapment, so this is what I'll say. Nothing I say is a truth claim, truth to me is just principles and theories. For me to demonstrate 100% truth of anything is madness, so I wont try it ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? I am not a Christian that's ever been here before. But I am here now to test my fucked up ideas on you people just to make sure they are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? I am not a Christian that's ever been here before. But I am here now to test my fucked up ideas on you people just to make sure they are correct. Let me save you some time. They aren't. Have you been reading here, or did you just jump in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. The last four words are false. And you did not answer my question. Why did God lie in the story? Adam didn't die the day he ate the fruit. Eve didn't die the day she ate the fruit. God said in Gen 2:17 that they would surely die that day. Yet they didn't. Why would God bear false witness? That is a sin. If God sins then that means God doesn't hate sin and God isn't separated from sin. Maybe Christianity is wrong. I don't fully trust the bible dude, I use it in connection with my desire to better understand what I am seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. I can provide evidence that "bad" things happen to virtually all, certainly to a larger group than just "good" people. As to the rest of it, you're the one making the mere assertions. You have the burden of proof to support your claims. Since you admit you have "no evidence" (again, your words, not mine), standard rational discourse rules now require you to withdraw your unsupported claims. Ok I can't play in a game of entrapment, so this is what I'll say. Nothing I say is a truth claim, truth to me is just principles and theories. For me to demonstrate 100% truth of anything is madness, so I wont try it ever. Hmmnnn...madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? I am not a Christian that's ever been here before. But I am here now to test my fucked up ideas on you people just to make sure they are correct. Let me save you some time. They aren't. Have you been reading here, or did you just jump in? Jesus! I haven't even started yet, let me cook for a while ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 So why was Genesis 2:17 a lie? Even in the story the people didn't die the day they ate the magic fruit. mymistake I only have some answers but not all, I still have to keep learning. As for your question, people do die from believing they are good or evil. This is because when you believe in something good or evil you push your bioelectrical emotional faculties to either there positive or negative extreme then they eventually die. Please provide the relevant empirical evidence for this claim. You know what that would be...case studies, any scientific hypothesis involving "bioelectrical emotional faculties" (your words, not mine), e.g., testing procedures, null hypotheses, etc. Yes, some have "answers but not all [answers]". So far, all you have presented are mere assertions. You have yet to provide an "answer", and that's because you have not presented a question. I have no evidence for anyone, and I never will and neither do you. I can provide evidence that "bad" things happen to virtually all, certainly to a larger group than just "good" people. As to the rest of it, you're the one making the mere assertions. You have the burden of proof to support your claims. Since you admit you have "no evidence" (again, your words, not mine), standard rational discourse rules now require you to withdraw your unsupported claims. Ok I can't play in a game of entrapment, so this is what I'll say. Nothing I say is a truth claim, truth to me is just principles and theories. For me to demonstrate 100% truth of anything is madness, so I wont try it ever. Hmmnnn...madness. Yeah it's getting to the point now that I think it's better to go mad for life than straight for want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I don't fully trust the bible dude, I use it in connection with my desire to better understand what I am seeing. Well so far you have a bunch of ideas that don't make sense and you admit you will never have any supporting evidence for them. Have you considered that religion might be wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I don't fully trust the bible dude, I use it in connection with my desire to better understand what I am seeing. Well so far you have a bunch of ideas that don't make sense and you admit you will never have any supporting evidence for them. Have you considered that religion might be wrong? Yes I have, well the bible and religion is very flawed. Look at it this way, say life has a message for his creation and the only way life can deliver that message is through a system that's deep in an anomaly, do you think that the message will turn out perfect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? I am not a Christian that's ever been here before. But I am here now to test my fucked up ideas on you people just to make sure they are correct. Let me save you some time. They aren't. Have you been reading here, or did you just jump in? Jesus! I haven't even started yet, let me cook for a while ok. Cook then. I have to set some groundless rules, though. #1 is that you should find this out for yourself. Don't make the Christian mistake of thinking that the everlasting arms of love are waiting for you, and don't make the Atheist mistake of believing that they aren't. It's all up to what you believe, isn't it? There isn't a shortcut. You have to think these things through yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Well so far you have a bunch of ideas that don't make sense and you admit you will never have any supporting evidence for them. Have you considered that religion might be wrong? Yes I have, well the bible and religion is very flawed. Look at it this way, say life has a message for his creation and the only way life can deliver that message is through a system that's deep in an anomaly, do you think that the message will turn out perfect? I don't think perfect exists. You are the result of several billion years of your ancestors surviving well enough to procreate. Your line is just one generation away from dying out. There is no message. You give your life meaning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Hi ImmoralChristian. Haven't I seen you somewhere before? I am not a Christian that's ever been here before. But I am here now to test my fucked up ideas on you people just to make sure they are correct. Let me save you some time. They aren't. Have you been reading here, or did you just jump in? Jesus! I haven't even started yet, let me cook for a while ok. Cook then. I have to set some groundless rules, though. #1 is that you should find this out for yourself. Don't make the Christian mistake of thinking that the everlasting arms of love are waiting for you, and don't make the Atheist mistake of believing that they aren't. It's all up to what you believe, isn't it? There isn't a shortcut. You have to think these things through yourself. And is that good or bad because I don't feel either way for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Say, why do you call yourself "immoral"? Maybe we can go over the meaning of morality. Perhaps it isn't what you think it is. Maybe you are not immoral after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Say, why do you call yourself "immoral"? Maybe we can go over the meaning of morality. Perhaps it isn't what you think it is. Maybe you are not immoral after all. Ok, can we do that in private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest immoralchristian Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Well so far you have a bunch of ideas that don't make sense and you admit you will never have any supporting evidence for them. Have you considered that religion might be wrong? Yes I have, well the bible and religion is very flawed. Look at it this way, say life has a message for his creation and the only way life can deliver that message is through a system that's deep in an anomaly, do you think that the message will turn out perfect? I don't think perfect exists. You are the result of several billion years of your ancestors surviving well enough to procreate. Your line is just one generation away from dying out. There is no message. You give your life meaning. I know we do, and, and I'm all over evolution, I use evolution to beat the shit out of my Christian brothers and sisters like you do. They need a fucking beating mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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