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I'm Scared, My Father Thinks There Will Be An Economic Collapse Soon


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As many of you know, my father is a fundamentalist Christian, and he is claiming based on a youtube video from a "prophet" that on August 18, 2015 something horrible is going to happen to the United States economically.

He also pinpoints September 23, 2015; September 13, 2015;

I don't know how to react. Please help me!

Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV_Gw4rk0TM

Skip to 6:44 for the alleged dream.

 

My father has also been spouting stuff about Jade Helm ending in September, the Pope visiting the United States, etc.

I'm scared and terrified.

 

My father also claims that there have been a lot of prophetic voices saying basically the same thing: something terrible is going to happen to America around September of this year.

 

I feel it relevant to mention that I am diagnosed with OCD and Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and that this kind of thing has been a significant trigger in the past.

 

 

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I went through the same thing in 1988.  Every year fundies make up stories.  Remember Harold Camping?  As soon as Sep 24, 2015 rolls around they will pick a new date and do the whole thing over again.  They make a lot of money off this stuff.

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Think calmly and rationally about what the man in the video is saying. First, he is saying that God is letting him know something that he must share with others so they (we) will have the benefit if this information. What I ask you to consider is if God had such important information to share, why wouldn't he do it in a way that would be convincing and reach a bigger audience? Why would he give that guy two weird dreams, expect him to interpret them correctly, and then expect others to believe what this guy says about his dream? Well, I can't imagine any worse way for this supposed all powerful God to try to get a message out than through the method of that video.

 

But, let's not stop there. Please do your best to push your fear aside and allow your rational mind to gain control. Now, let's consider his first dream. He was looking down into a well (or a pond or lake with boulders around it) and he saw a 23. Then, in his dream, he was calling on other people to lower the number and they started throwing in lower numbers into the well, but he could not see their numbers. After a while he saw the number 13 in the well.

 

That was his full dream. He saw a number 23 and a number 13 in a well. That's it, nothing more than that. Then he says he saw a vision from God and he knew something terrible was going to happen on September 13 and 23. So even though the dream itself was meaningless, we now must believe that God gave him a vision so he could understand an otherwise meaningless dream. And, by the way, where did he get September from his dream? He didn't. He made it fit his preconceived notions of the rumors floating about among some Christians that something is going to happen in September.

 

Then there's the second dream. I had to laugh at this one. Someone was bowling and the bowler appeared to be from Germany. He looked at the bowling pins and they all had dates written on them. However, he could only read one of the pins and the date on that one was August 18. This is the silliest notion of how the God of the universe would choose to get a message out that I have heard in a long time. Even so, what does the dream reveal according to him? That some economic crisis is going to hit the U.S. on August 18 and make its way to Europe and the rest of the world. How he came up with that dream interpretation, I do not know.

 

What I have tried to show you is that you have no reason to fear. Take it easy and let your reasoning mind prevail!

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Actually we may well have a global economic collapse soon, but the morontheists would only just happen to be right on that by chance.

 

China's stock market is collapsing. Despite them doing everything a totalitarian regime can do to stop it. And if our Merkel/Schäuble regime keeps forcing austerity (which reality has proven simply does not work) on the rest of Southern Europe a European collapse won't be too long in the future either. Given the global impact of that, it's not a good thing either.

 

So yeah, as they said decades ago already... even a broken watch will show the right time twice a day.

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This link is about religious OCD:

http://ocdla.com/scrupulosity-ocd-religion-faith-belief-2107

 

And this one is about OCD generally:

https://iocdf.org/about-ocd/

 

I encourage you to get treatment for your symptoms.  It must be distressing to be around these triggers all the time.

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How about some uplifting Alan Watts :) Might help remove fear. :)

 

 

 

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Oh, I love Alan Watts. Just great thoughts to ponder :)

 

 

Also economic collapse has been hanging over my head for like twenty years or something...and therefore I decided to ignore.

 

It is like revival...it has been promised all my christian life...to be just around the corner. But it never came...and the blame was put on us...

 

 

Try to distract yourself with good things. Listen to good speeches about self love (really!). Practice present moment awareness (through simple exercises or meditation). Try not to be around people who express such topics and tell your dad you are not interested in what would not be in your range of influence anyways.

 

And yes, I think it might be really helpful to get professional help to deal with your OCD.

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If there is something I hate as much as religion, it's this paranoia fueled conspiracy bullshit. Sure, people conspire to do things, sometimes bad things, and there may be some large-ish group of people conspiring to do some bad things. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. But attributing every single event in the world that makes someone, somewhere, feel uncomfortable, for whatever reason, and even more so when unrelated events coincide, to the hands of some cabal or whatever, is ridiculous.

 

I've been there, it wasn't fun, and I'm not proud of it. Eventually after I ended up just walking away from it, and I'd guess months (I've honestly lost track...) worth of educational Youtube videos, here I am. Skepticism reigns supreme and religion has no favor. These predictions fail to reflect reality every time. Here's my prediction, September will come and go, there may be some terrorist scare around the eleventh, the economy will still be going down hill, and it won't make any difference what some self proclaimed prophet says. Could more or less happen? Yes.

 

This isn't Hollywood, there's no big bad evil guy running things. People just do stupid things and double down on their mistakes, if only so they don't have to admit they where wrong, or in order to hide what they did. I'd argue that's a more likely reason for the economic situation, and for why it's not really getting better, then some grand conspiracy. Though I could be wrong, I try not to pay much attention to news, or politics, or other bullshit I really can't do anything about, anymore.

 

And, yeah, a little Zen wouldn't hurt either.

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There are good reasons to think that an economic collapse is coming, or even already in the early stages. But, to paraphrase Jesus, anyone who claims to know the day or the hour is talking out of their ass.

 

If there is an economic collapse it will have nothing to do with the predictions of any religion. They've been making calls for the end of the world for thousands of years. Just because one disaster might actually happen doesn't mean that they get any credit. Try and relax. Make smart financial decisions, and don't worry too much about what you can't control.

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When I became a Christian in 1983 Hal Lindsey was a big 'prophet' and he was predicting, through biblical analysis and current events, that the rapture would happen before the 80's were over.  It terrified me, but of course we see now, over 25 years later, how wrong he was.  People who predict those things are looking for gain of some kind.

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An economic collapse is a million times more likely than "The Rapture" happening. The two are completely unrelated events. Economic disasters are completely man-made, but then so is religion and the Buybull. 

 

Capitalism is an incredibly unstable economic system in which collapses, depressions, recessions, sell-offs, unemployment, etc., are simply expected outcomes. The best someone in a capitalist system (which is everybody) can hope for is that the extremities of these outcomes are minimized. 

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Let's assume he is right and there will be an economic collapse -- why should this make you "terrified"?  Every challenge offers an opportunity, the bigger the crisis, the more rich the possibilities.  With applied intelligence, the rewards opened up by catastophe should provoke eager anticipation rather than despair.

 

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People survived the Great Depression. It was not the Apocalypse. :)

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People survived the Great Depression. It was not the Apocalypse. smile.png

 

 

For that matter humanity survived the Apocalypse as well.  That was back in the year 66 to 73 AD.  There were several thousand casualties but most of humanity didn't even notice.  And for those who think Revelation was written after 70 but prophesied about the Apocalypse the same thing happened from 115 to 117 and again from 132 to 135 AD.

 

 

So how shall we celibate September 24th when this Dooms Day prophesy turns out to be just as empty as all the others?

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Before I was a christian, since childhood I hav been expecting a collapse.As a young man right thru to deconversion I was a prepper. I hav heard so many prophets speak of it.heard lots of dates and seen them come and go.i recall one prophet in the 1990s advise folks that God told him Venezuela was gny b the only safe place:that turned out real well!

Emergencies do happen and I think it's better to hav a few months worth of food in your cupboard than a larder full of ccondiments.And I guess USA national debt cannot go on forever tho honestly I don't kno alot about such matters.

But personally I'm so done listening to folks saying how it's defo gny happen etc.

is the guy in the videos selling anything or endorsing survival food?iis he advising to relocate but he's gny stay to 'spread the word' but other folk should relocate? Those r always red flags.

If your personally concerned and hav a bit of cash then put 2-3 months of dry foods aside,water purification stuff and some ammunition and water,a gun you think will do for defence and hunting.two if you don't think you can find an ideal one.thatll put you ahead of the herd when the sky falls down.but don't let it ruin ur NOW or tomorrow for that matter.prepare for emergencies but the danger of preparing for the end of civilisation as we kno is it tends to become an unwholesome lifestyle.

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Economies expand, economies contract.

Always have, always will.

It has nothing to do with any god or gods playing Monoploly in the sky.

 

I'm sorry you are going thru this and feel the way you do. I hope the replies the other posters have offered will bring you some piece of mind.

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People survived the Great Depression. It was not the Apocalypse. smile.png

 

That's keeping it in perspective. People have survived a lot worse than anything we've experienced in our lifetimes. 

 

These days, I'd be more worried about cyber-terrorism than another stock market crash. 

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There have been economic collapses before.

 

There will be again.

 

Chances are, it will not coincide with this particular prophecy.

 

So, I'd bide my time and take the piss out of him in October.

 

If there is such a collapse in September, I'd just point out that lucky guesses happen - otherwise, there'd be no lottery winners

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Oh btw to the OP,I hav GAD aswell and I think this has been a big component of thus kind of thing.im not going to go into things but when I look back my anxiety fed into this greatly and I can pinpoint big reactions to videos and ministries spouting this kind of thing.

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Yesterday, this charlatan posted a youtube video with "proof" that the collapse has begun:

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-heads-for-first-revenue-recession-since-the-great-recession-2015-08-18

 

Wow... These guys will latch onto anything in order to support their claims.

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Yesterday, this charlatan posted a youtube video with "proof" that the collapse has begun:

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-heads-for-first-revenue-recession-since-the-great-recession-2015-08-18

 

Wow... These guys will latch onto anything in order to support their claims.

 

A collapse is rather a fast thing, I would think. If I'm not trading my pets for a Frappucino at the end of today, I'm not buying into this collapse idea smile.png

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One thing you can always count on when doomsday prophets predict precise dates of major financial collapses, apocalypses, or other terrifying events:

 

They never apologise when their predictions turn out to be false.

 

And that's the game they play--they know that they can never be disproven until that date on the calendar arrives and nothing happens. See, technically, an asteroid could fall on me two weeks from now, or I might inherit a billion dollars, etc. Hey, you can't prove me wrong until then! wink.png

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I can't shake the feeling that maybe the "prophet" that predicted Economic Crisis was right...

 

I mean, just look at the Markets around the world, since the 18th, the day when this "prophet" claimed economic downturn would begin, stocks around the world have suffered the worst losses since the Great Depression. The Dow Jones plunged over 1000 points within 5 minutes this morning...

I know I'm not making sense, but I'm just worried.

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And now it's back up to -346~ points as of this post, that's kinda what the market does...

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So did the world end?  Why didn't anybody tell me?  I'm always the last one to find out.  You guys have know the world ended for hours and didn't send me an e-mail?

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