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How I Abandoned Biblical Inspiration, Inerrancy, And Infallibility


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Welcome to the forum, Tom.  That is what happens when people start wondering why.  It's nice to have you with us.  Let us know if you have any questions or other thoughts.

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Welcome, Tom!  We've all been there.  It really changes things once you manage to honestly evaluate the truth claims that you've been indoctrinated with your entire life.  Kudos to you for having the courage to take that step.

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It's remarkable how well religion insulates people, isn't it? You become so used to having your views accepted or affirmed by everyone around you, and society in general, that you take them for granted and completely give up critical thinking. Your brain goes on auto-pilot. And yet this whole superstructure can come collapsing down the minute anyone is able to penetrate through the mental padding with just a simple question. You were taken completely off-guard because religion is given a "free pass" from intense scrutiny in our culture. To question the very foundations of the Bible or religion is strongly discouraged. And so it just metastasizes year after year ... 

 

I'm afraid there's no going back. Once Toto pulls back the curtain and you fully realize "God" is really just a man-made illusion, you will never be able to see the world the same way again. Nor should you want to. 

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Welcome!! The further away you get from religion, the crazier it'll look in the rearview mirror of your life.

Keep us posted on your journey!

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Welcome. Even after my deconversion I was shocked by how strong the arguments against the bible are. I think people whose faith is rooted in biblical inerrancy are extremely vulnerable if they ever once get some outside arguments and scholarly opinions.

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"If the claims of Christianity are true..."

 

Then a cruel and vengeful "god" intends to send billions of "his" children to a place of eternal punishment just for not believing correctly. I decided that, even if such a "god" exists, "he" would be unworthy of my love. I could only despise such a "god". The true villain of the Bible is Yahweh.

 

Welcom to Ex-C!

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Your story was well written & captivating. I rarely read a long de-conversion story in its entirety but I found yours impossible to put down. I have a couple of former Christian friends I'd like to send your story to, but I'm sure they wouldn't read it seeing as how, at least in their minds, an obvious agent of Satan wrote it. Welcome aboard.

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And people can go for many years thinking, "Wow, all those Christian intellectuals like C.S. Lewis, or (_____ fill in blank). They couldn't be wrong about this!"

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Excellent story, and very well articulated, Tom. Welcome to the party. It sounds like you and I hail from similar backgrounds, although your departure sounds much more well organized and scholarly mine ever was. I wish you well in your journey, and look forward to reading future posts.

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That was an excellent testimony! Thanks you for sharing your story.

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Thank you all for your encouragement. I know I'm at the start of a long road.

 

Looking forward to sharing it with you.

 

Tom

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I was a conservative, evangelical, Reformed, Calvinistic, born-again Christian.
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I believed in Christianity because that's what my parents, school, and church taught me growing up.
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In the past few years, my philosophy on evaluating truth claims (spiritual or not) has shifted. Growing up, I accepted truth claims based on authority. Now I believe people should think for themselves and form convictions based on good reason and evidence. We should not believe something just because someone trustworthy said so.
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I realized my faith was not based on good reason or evidence. Rather, the foundation of my faith was dogma, authority, and subjectivity. 

 

 

Great read, Tom.  Welcome to this forum.  Take particular note of the above snips from your post.  These statements demonstrate you have already shifted from religious faith to rational thinking.  You have defeated the religious indoctrination put upon you by trusted adults when you were a child.

 

 

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I have the sense that this uncertainty is ultimately a good thing and should lead to better thinking and living. I'm cautiously optimistic about the future. Though the implications of this journey will be some negative experiences in the short-term, considering the circles in which I run. I don't know what the future holds or where I will end up. The freethinker in me feels a newfound sense of freedom to think for myself and come to my own conclusions. The humanist in me feels joy, excitement, and wonder about the possibility of exploring reality outside the narrow confines of Christianity. The (ex-?) Christian in me feels anxiety, despair, and fear about the possibility of deviating from the truth. The pragmatist in me cringes about the uncomfortable change in my lifestyle and relationships that is bound to happen if I continue down this path.
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And you realize you still have the peer pressure to deal with.  That part can be long and hard.

 

 

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It's true there are things in life you can't prove or disprove and require faith either way. But I do think there are some things you can prove false that preclude faith.
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I would suggest a mid-course correction here.  "Proof" only applies to mathematics and logic.  Most things in life are not certain.  I would suggest abandoning the word faith in the secular context in favor of words such as trust, probability, likelihood, etc..  The word "faith" is a loaded word and has different meanings.  To use the word "faith" when dealing with religious dogma is different than using that word with mundane things.  The inference, of course, is that you are equating the two situations by using the same word, but you are really using two different definitions of the word.

 

For example:

 

"I have faith that my God created humans."  

 

"I have faith that humans evolved from an earlier non-human ancestor."

 

You won't find any scientist or rational thinker saying that second phrase.  Instead, they will say something to the effect, "The biological theory of evolution is the best explanation of all available relevant evidence." or "There is a high probability that humans evolved from a predecessor species."

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@Geezer - thanks and you are welcome to share my story with your former friends. I'd even be happy to chat with them if they had questions.

 

@UnFundEd - thanks and I'd love to hear your story sometime.

 

@sdelsolray - thanks, very helpful. I see what you mean. I don't think in terms of faith when I sit in my favorite chair or get on an airplane.

 

I was thinking of logical proofs when I wrote that. For example, you can't mathematically prove the existence of God. Belief in God requires a kind of faith (of a different nature than trust in my automobile, as you rightly pointed out). So while I couldn't prove the existence of God in this manner, I could logically disprove certain religious dogmas. With the example of the current thread, it's possible to disprove the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible. That fact should render faith in inspiration impossible for a reasonable person who has understood the issues.

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Welcome to Ex-c, Tom! Thanks for sharing! Looks like your among people who truly understand! It really blows up your worldview, eh? You hang out here with us and it won't be long before you figure out a new one. It certainly will cause a bit of cognitive dissonance for awhile, but you'll be OK. Do a lot of reading Tom. I spent so much time reading before I even joined this site. I thought for sure I was the only person who would dare to question the christian religion and god!! How dare us!!  What a joy to find EX-c! I hope you find the same peace that I did. Keep posting all you concerns. there is always someone here to help you.

 

Hug

 

Sincerely, Margee

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Hey Tom! Thanks for your post. Your post brings back a lot of memories. While I did have some bad experiences that helped me along into asking the tough questions, it was asking the tough questions that finally killed my faith. It was a heartbreaking experience, but I'm so happy I'm on the other side. Looking forward to reading more of your journey!

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@sdelsolray - thanks, very helpful. I see what you mean. I don't think in terms of faith when I sit in my favorite chair or get on an airplane.

 
I was thinking of logical proofs when I wrote that. For example, you can't mathematically prove the existence of God. Belief in God requires a kind of faith (of a different nature than trust in my automobile, as you rightly pointed out). So while I couldn't prove the existence of God in this manner, I could logically disprove certain religious dogmas. With the example of the current thread, it's possible to disprove the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible. That fact should render faith in inspiration impossible for a reasonable person who has understood the issues.

 

 

I thought this was likely when I was writing my post.  Still, many posts here are also directed to the lurkers, or address to common theist canards.  In this case, I was speaking to the theist canard, "Yes I have faith in my supernatural sky fairies and long list of unsupported bald assertions, but you have (an equivalent) faith in science (e.g., gravity, biological evolution, germ theory of disease, etc.)."  It is clear that you already understand the distinction.  Many others do not.  Duplicitous or inconsistent use of the word "faith" is central to this canard.

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Welcome.

 

Clear thinking is the enemy of Christianity.  As you have shown.

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