Why Does 'god' Contradict Itself?

[xIan]

Hi, all.

 

It's been a very long time since I've been here. I hardly contributed when I was here before. I intend to be back now (not that anyone will remember me) but I can't promise anything.

 

I have no doubt this topic has been covered many times before but I think it's good (if permitted) to start again from scratch to give either side a chance - or perhaps I should say yet another chance!

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

Warning - I might be offensive! That's why I am here in the Lion's Den. I might go too far and be in trouble, and I tend to employ what I call ad christendom as opposed to ad hominem by which I mean attacking the christian rather than the person...rather than their argument. I'll try and be good! I promise!

 

As an extra question - why do you, christian, continue to follow this contradictory...dare I say nonsense?

[xIan]

xians don't believe that "they can do all things through 'christ' who strengthens them" to fight me in this den.

 

Me sad.

[Geezer]

The problems with the Bible can be traced to its human origins. Cognitive Dissonance, Information Bias, and exposure to continuous indoctrination as well as peer pressure petty much takes such a significant toll that few can overcome all of that and find both the courage and strength to challenge their long held "beliefs".

 

If religion is viewed as a cult the problems associated with getting away from it become easier to understand.

[ironhorse]

Hi, all.

 

It's been a very long time since I've been here. I hardly contributed when I was here before. I intend to be back now (not that anyone will remember me) but I can't promise anything.

 

I have no doubt this topic has been covered many times before but I think it's good (if permitted) to start again from scratch to give either side a chance - or perhaps I should say yet another chance!

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

Warning - I might be offensive! That's why I am here in the Lion's Den. I might go too far and be in trouble, and I tend to employ what I call ad christendom as opposed to ad hominem by which I mean attacking the christian rather than the person...rather than their argument. I'll try and be good! I promise!

 

As an extra question - why do you, christian, continue to follow this contradictory...dare I say nonsense?

 

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

I agree there are verses in scripture where it seems God contradicts himself. Most of these can be explained by looking at

the verses in context, the meaning of the original words, poetic frameworks, and other plausible reasons.

 

I don't have any favorites to defend. 

 

 

As an extra question - why do you, christian, continue to follow this contradictory...dare I say nonsense?

 

Because my Christian faith is based on my relationship to Christ, not in demanding that I must understand every verse in the scriptures or can explain every verse. John 3:16 tells me all I need to know to find meaning in life. The central message of the scriptures is Christ. 

 

As I have said before, I think it is pretty cool that God used human authors through several centuries to get his message to us.

 

Not every word or sentence is a direct quote from God. He let the writers use their own style and even add their thoughts to the writings. 

 

To me, the scriptures reveal it all (the good and bad) of the human condition and God's nature and plan. 

That to me makes it a lot more fun to read and just adds more wonder and mystery.

[xIan]

Forgive me if people are too lazy to read my long reply. Alternatively, forgive yourself!

 

I typed this reply here and then I noticed there have been other replies, so I am typing this paragraph now to say that I suppose my replies can be taken as to each person I am replying to. Of course, everyone is free to read everything I type and what-knot. (I expect to be repeating myself to different members! Lol.)

 

I know me saying that they are too weak to fight me in here, and their "god" is too weak to help them fight me in here, sounds very arrogant. My point was not to be arrogant but to provoke them.

 

I used to call judaism, christianity, and islam religions. Now I call them death cults because actual religions, such as pre-judaic Paganism (not this modern-day, watered-down, christianised so-called "Paganism" crap) was, and still is, (because it has survived to this day, despite the attempts at destroying it) Nature-loving. Of course, when people say, "Religion is dangerous", they mean mainstream religion, or the "3 abrahamic religions" (rather, death cults). Inferences and presumptions run amok in the ignorant mind (I know - I used to be guilty of that, and I suspect I still am to a degree).

 

Other reasons include because they are not religions, such as Nature-loving, pre-judaic Paganism is, but are only concerned with the destruction and death of Humanity, Nature, and the Earth. There is plenty of proof of that - islam in the news recently (enough said), christianity in the news sometimes and christianity back in Medieval times (enough said), and judaism, the parent of these 2 siblings (perhaps enough said).

 

As some don't know, christianity and islam mutated from judaism, and the first 5 books of the bible are the jewish book called the torah. In islam, they have no choice but to mention "jesus", as well, and I don't know much about islam nor the koran but someone told me there are more references to/mentions of "jesus" in the koran than there are of "muhammad".

 

While I was being brainwashed by xianity, I was told by the preacher that the reason the koran mentions "jesus" so much is "because 'jesus' is so powerful". He failed to mention how much judaism, christianity, and islam stole; twisted; perverted; and corrupted from pre-judaism religions into these 3 death cults (rather, this one death cult, as far as I'm concerned). Saying that, however, the senior pastor (because they had pastors rather than priests) once "joked" on a Sunday morning something along the lines of that "there is nothing unique here" (those are his word paraphrased from memory) and literally only 1 or 2 of the other "senior leaders" lolled along with him, while you heard crickets chirping in the congregation and saw tumbleweed floating by. I made sure I never forgot that.

 

Besides which, as history tells us, hundreds, and thousands, of years ago, peoples, societies, and civilisations across the world more or less paralleled each other but grew up themselves with very little or completely no interaction with each other. Anyone might find it interesting to know that there is a Pagan God which was known across the world (as usual, by different or similar names or variations of names) in and among these individual, separate groups of peoples.

 

If it doesn't make anyone wonder how non-interactive peoples can come to the same conclusions about the same God (in this case, but of course polytheistic Gods, overall) known by them peoples individually (call that peer-review in science), while xians are obligated by fear of death for upsetting the dirty faerie "god" in the sky to convince everyone that "jesus" exists, then I don't know what will.

In other words - if non-interactive, independent, un-connected peoples understand the same things about the same God across many places in the world, while xians "have to" convince people about their "god" (yet they don't and can't agree about their "god", themselves), then I think the unrelated persons and peoples regarding their same God are more in-tune with reality than the allegedly-related peoples of today who can't agree on their same "jesus" are.

i.e. different cultures of people unknown to each other agree about their Pagan God over many places of the Earth, while xians disagree about their "god" and are forced to convince people it exists in their image, in their opinion; the former Pagan peoples are more in-tune with reality than the latter xians are.

 

A Pagan God Represented Worldwide rewrites history

English translation - http://hideref.de/?http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.altrogiornale.org%2Fdio-pagano-rappresentato-in-tutto-il-mondo-riscrive-la-storia%2F

Original Italian article - http://hideref.de/?http://www.altrogiornale.org/dio-pagano-rappresentato-in-tutto-il-mondo-riscrive-la-storia/

 

Is it interesting that this hasn't gained widespread media attention?! Don't forget that xianity, and now jizzlam, have to "go forth and multiply". Remember also the destruction of temples; razing of cities; burning of libraries and materials; destruction of statues; erasure of knowledge; re-writing (exaggerating; manipulating; fabricating; etc.) of history by the winners etc.; etc.; etc., as well. Despite all that, we still have knowledge of the Ancient times before judaism, and of course christianity and islam, came and raped Humanity, Nature, and the Earth.

 

Freemasonry is mentioned in the article above - hasn't that also been infiltrated and ruined, just like everything else?!

Another interesting point xians don't know is that unless they are jews, then they are very much Pagans themselves. "Pagan" is an old word which means "Gentile". "Gentile" means "non-jew". If jesus "was" a dirty jew in that faerie tale story book, then why aren't they jews? They're supposed to copy off their "god", after all; they "were" made in its image, allegedly. If they are not jews, they they are Pagans, the very thing they have been brainwashed and mind-raped into fearing and despising.

[ironhorse]

I agree with what you sad about people of different cultures coming to ideas about God. I believe we have a inner desire to believe in God. It is in our hearts. 

 

I don't view Christianity as a "death cult" but one of meaning, hope, and life.

 

 

So Paul took his stand in the open space at the Areopagus and laid it out for them. “It is plain to see that you Athenians take your religion seriously. When I arrived here the other day, I was fascinated with all the shrines I came across. And then I found one inscribed, to the god nobody knows.

 

~ Acts 17:22

[mymistake]

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

I agree there are verses in scripture where it seems God contradicts himself. Most of these can be explained by looking at

the verses in context, the meaning of the original words, poetic frameworks, and other plausible reasons. 

 

 

There is a much better explanation that works for every single one of those contradictions.  Isn't that the sign of a useful explanation when it solves hundreds of problems?  I can't think of a single Bible contradiction that isn't solved by this one explanation.  So far, neither has anybody else.  That is what we would expect from the truth.

 

And that explanation is:

The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

[xIan]

I agree there are verses in scripture where it seems God contradicts himself. Most of these can be explained by looking at

the verses in context,

 

How do you know "god" is a he? I thought the bible said "god" is neither male nor female. If "the people who wrote it decided to be misogynist (!!!!) and call it a he", then is that not offensive calling a non-sex or non-gender being (asex or agender, perhaps) something that is "lower" than itself?!

 

Context! What is context? Forgive me but I must speak (type) the way I am about to - if "god" is so powerful-enough and so-able enough, then why couldn't it make it oh, so extremely clearly blatantly obvious what it was trying to say? What is "context"?! The bible as a whole "is the word of 'god'", allegedly, yet it says one thing one minute "in context" and another thing another minute "in context"...but what is context?

 

 

the meaning of the original words,

 

Hebrew; Aramaic; Arabic; and Greek are not the oldest languages in the world.

"The bible was not written in Arabic."

No, but the koran, your sibling death cult's book, was.

 

 

poetic frameworks

 

Poetry is allowed, is supposed to not make sense; it is allowed, is supposed to be symbolic in, of, and by its very Nature. In other words, not literal.

 

 

and other plausible reasons.

 

Such as?

 

 

Because my Christian faith is based on my relationship to Christ

 

Faith is not an actual thing of proof; nothing tangible; nothing physical; nothing actual. "I accept 1+1=banana because I think it is so." That's as ridiculous.

 

 

not in demanding that I must understand every verse in the scriptures or can explain every verse

 

I can't remember anyone ever saying "asking and seeking = demanding". Your "god", on the other hand, demands worship. "Do this, or I'll torture you forever." I expect christians love being slave or bitch to a sadist; they love being masochists. Your "god" is so unruly. You don't have to demand to understand. "god" should be able to put it into:

• layman's terms
  
• idiot's terms
  
• complete idiot's terms
  

for people to understand. Why didn't it? Not everyone likes mystery. In fact, some hate it. If you can't explain something, then you should tell "god" to beam the knowledge into your brain directly, rather than finding a new ambiguity in an already-ambiguous text, then accepting that as your brain manipulates things into equilibrium for you. (Torture, physical or otherwise, is ineffective after a while because the brain causes you to stop feeling the effects nervously, physically. The same applies with trying to balance nonsense with sense, illogic with logic, otherwisdom with wisdom.)

 

 

John 3:16 tells me all I need to know to find meaning in life.

 

Austin 3:16 is a beautiful thing, as well. Why not Fuck Fear, Drink Beer, instead?

 

 

The central message of the scriptures is Christ.

 

Ooh, lovely! I have to give you credit - you provide good bait. As such - what's the old testament for, then?

 

 

As I have said before,

 

I've not been here, and I haven't waded my way through 50 billion posts yet!

 

 

I think it is pretty cool that God used human authors through several centuries to get his message to us.

 

Lol. You don't think that's pretty or ugly cool at all. You're a sheep and have to copy off the other sheep, what they bleat. You also agree children indoctrinated and radicalised by ISIL also think it's cool to wield guns and blow people's heads off, don't you? No? "god" told the church to do that in Medieval times...

 

By the way, does that include those authours who "were" eyewitnesses to the events of "jesus's" life, yet made those accounts decades after "jesus's" death? I thought "eyewitness" meant "witnessed with the eyes". If that were true, they would have made sure everyone knew about "the messiah" and its magic abilities.

 

Then, what about those people who never heard "christ's" "message"? What did "god" do to cater for them over the centuries while they were not hearing it? While they were worshipping Gods of other religions? Along that line - what about those who have never heard the name or "word" of "christ" in any part of the world this day? What about those countries where the name "Jesus" is a name for males? Are they "saved" automatically? Should not they all call all their males "Jesus" in those countries? What about those poor children your "god" didn't love enough to save from drowning while crossing into Europe? What has happened to them, through absolutely no fault - nor choice, nor ability - of their own?!?! Did you pray for them?!?! What did that not accomplish?!?!

 

Not every word or sentence is a direct quote from God.

 

So the words "you shall not add anything to this book of life ... nor take anything away from this book of life..." were either not the word of "god", or they were but it was playing the jester, then?

 

 

He let the writers use their own style and even add their thoughts to the writings.

 

Where in the bible does it say that? Yes, I suppose the "illegal" Song of Songs was a dirty, lusty old pervert after his underaged wife when she's on the blob, but why would "god" allow an adult-certified bit of scripture be in it if it knew its book was also for children? It should have released an adult version with the warning, "Parental Advisory - Perverted Content" on it.

 

As for adding their thoughts - "god" is supposed and alleged to know more and better than "mere man", so their own thoughts would have contaminated and dirtied "god's" "perfect word".

 

 

To me, the scriptures reveal it all (the good and bad) of the human condition and God's nature and plan.

 

Ambiguity and vagueness is OH! so open to any suitable interpretation the longing, desperate party seeks! As for "to you", that proves my point; there isn't any direct, clear, obvious answer; it's weak and watered down like clouds in the sky - you see what you want to see.

 

As for "the good and the bad in people" - you know (as far as you have been brainwashed to believe and charged to be told those lies and accept them) that "god" created man. Therefore "god" created evil. Oh, please tell me that man chooses to sin! "god" created sin. Therefore, "god" is not "all-good"; "all-benevolent"; "all-loving"; etc. You can see clearly in the bible that "god" is a sick, perverted, twisted sadist. If anything, people have been "bad" in the last couple of thousand years because of the oppression; suppression; torture; etc., that "god" told "the" pope to tell the church to do to people. Then wasn't it this "the" pope (or the other weak loser before him who quit, despite "being able to do all things through 'christ' who strengthened him") who "apologised" for the shit "god" told "the" then pope to tell the then church to do against Humanity? Along that vein, wasn't it a bishop or archbishop in England somewhere who...came out! (not as gay unfortunately)...and said, "'god' has informed me that it is sorry for the shit it did against homosexuals in history. 'god' has since changed its mind, and we will say sooner or later that homosexuality is not actual sinful because 'god' no longer believes it to be"?! Of course, I am adding my own artistic, poetic flare to it; if your "god men" can, then so can I.

 

As for "the Human condition" - being an ex-christian, hence my name in case you didn't understand that, I had OCDs from there. I had anally-retentiveness. If it went on for much longer, I would have become so neurotic I'd be lost and locked inside it. Thank fuck (I already said "thank fuck" before I started going to church in the first place, due to environmental factors) my brain was waking me up to irrationality and circular-"reasoning" - and of course thank fuck I listened to my brain, as well. (Well, to be more honest - "god" was such a dick and ignored me and didn't help me in my most serious and earnest requests and longings, despite my honest services and giving money (which is the most important, of course :eyeroll:) and things; in "rebellion" against "god" I went into Paganism (the very thing you have been brainwashed to fear and despise, despite being Pagan yourself, if you are not a jew), and I am glad I did. I regret I didn't do it sooner.)

So you saying "jebus knows about 'the Human condition' doesn't do anything except make me feel more sorry for you, christian (and quite honestly, I didn't think that was possible).

 

 

That to me makes it a lot more fun to read and just adds more wonder and mystery.

 

Again, to you. If Noah's sons said, "In my opinion, we should build the ark out of cow faeces", he would have snipped their balls off and fed them to his sisters. You saying, "to me", however, is accepted! I'm confused dot com! (Only people in the UK, if any, might find that a bit funny.)

 

How can ambiguity and vagueness, as opposed to clearness and obviousness, make sense? How is confusion fun? Yeah, it makes one wonder, but where's the mystery? In wishing it was clear and not ambiguous, not vague?

 

"Go forth and buy (40-odd) barrels of (a grain) and (40-odd) barrels of flour which you need in perfect measure to bake this cake correctly. There's no need to weigh it, though - just have faith it is the right amount and that they didn't add chalk to it to rip you off, which I, 'god', didn't warn my children about." (I don't think all types of grain can be used to bake cakes, but "god" is supposed to be "all-powerful" and "all-able", of course. It was supposed to have turned water into wine, as we were told.)

 

Where is this "visible image" of "jesus"? The bible says to not create idols. I think having a "visible image" is a disgusting, offensive, abominable sin...

 

I wonder if you have any children of your own, or if not so might have cousins or nieces/nephews, or perhaps friends' children, that you take outside of town and throw stones at when they misbehave. I will bet my entire life's worth of money that you don't, to which I ask - why not? "god" told you to do it. (xIan shoots, ironhorse sees the bait...will xIan score?! We'll find out after this long break with subliminally-attractive and conditioning adverts.)

[xIan]

I agree with what you sad about people of different cultures coming to ideas about God. I believe we have a inner desire to believe in God. It is in our hearts. 

 

You know the article is mentioning Paganism which predates your parent death cult, judaism, by thousands and thousands of years. You also know it is "illegal" and "sinful" to make an image of your "god", and you also know this Pagan God doesn't look anything like your jew "god". However, your jew "god" has nothing of its own; all it has is things stolen from previous Pagan Gods numerous times over, which you only might know (trying to give you the benefit of the doubt). Please stop over-using the over-used over-use of "heart", "love", and "deep and meaningful". If it was true in the slightest, the entire world would be on-board, but you also know it is not.

 

 

I don't view Christianity as a "death cult" but one of meaning, hope, and life.

 

I know you don't view it as what it is because you don't know what it is. People see cocaine or other drugs as meaningful with hope and life. You haven't convinced them, either.

 

 

~ Acts 17:22

 

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The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

 

 

Lol! xians still can't agree on their "same" "god"!!!!

[ironhorse]

 

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

I agree there are verses in scripture where it seems God contradicts himself. Most of these can be explained by looking at

the verses in context, the meaning of the original words, poetic frameworks, and other plausible reasons. 

 

 

There is a much better explanation that works for every single one of those contradictions.  Isn't that the sign of a useful explanation when it solves hundreds of problems?  I can't think of a single Bible contradiction that isn't solved by this one explanation.  So far, neither has anybody else.  That is what we would expect from the truth.

 

And that explanation is:

The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

 

 

 

And that explanation is:

The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

 

From what I have read, they agreed on a lot considering the centuries that separate their writings. 

[xIan]

 

 

 

To the christian - why does "god" contradict itself? Notice I say "it" and call it ""god"" on purpose. I can't decide which contradictions to use, so I will leave it open to the christian to decide which they think is their favourite to defend.

 

I agree there are verses in scripture where it seems God contradicts himself. Most of these can be explained by looking at

the verses in context, the meaning of the original words, poetic frameworks, and other plausible reasons. 

 

 

There is a much better explanation that works for every single one of those contradictions.  Isn't that the sign of a useful explanation when it solves hundreds of problems?  I can't think of a single Bible contradiction that isn't solved by this one explanation.  So far, neither has anybody else.  That is what we would expect from the truth.

 

And that explanation is:

The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

 

 

 

And that explanation is:

The Bible is the word of ignorant men who could not agree with each other.

 

From what I have read, they agreed on a lot considering the centuries that separate their writings. 

 

You haven't read much, then, have you?!

 

The catholic church says, "we believe this about 'god'"; whereas the protestant church says, "well, we believe this about 'god'"; whereas the baptist church says; "well, we believe this about 'god'"; etc.

 

Why can't "god" be a good teacher and parent, and tell its children to stop being dicks and just grow up? Oh. Silly me. It's because it doesn't explain nor teach things at all. "god" could learn a thing or 50 billion from observation and experimentation and understanding, AKA science. Did you enjoy reading about my boil? "god" doesn't say anything direct or descriptive. If it did, all xians would be in the same denomination, and the word "denomination" wouldn't exist. The entire world would not "believe" in "god"; they would know and see "god" and this website wouldn't exist!  You wouldn't have to try and convince people "god" exists, which it is incapable of doing itself; it would have "convinced" people it existed before it created itself.

[mymistake]

 

From what I have read, they agreed on a lot considering the centuries that separate their writings. 

 

 

 

Nope.  They didn't agree about any core religion.  The Bible represents several competing cults who all thought of each other as false.  Deuteronomy instructs Hebrews to kill anybody who tries anything like Christianity.  And Christianity steals from the Hebrew religion.

[ironhorse]

 

 

From what I have read, they agreed on a lot considering the centuries that separate their writings. 

 

 

 

Nope.  They didn't agree about any core religion.  The Bible represents several competing cults who all thought of each other as false.  Deuteronomy instructs Hebrews to kill anybody who tries anything like Christianity.  And Christianity steals from the Hebrew religion.

 

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy was written several centuries before Jesus was born.

 

Check the history and the writers of the 66 books did agree on the central message. 

[mymistake]

The book of Deuteronomy was written several centuries before Jesus was born. 

 

 

 

Exactly.  Christianity was invented hundreds of years after Deuteronomy was written.  God the Son is a god that the Hebrews never knew and their ancestors never knew.  Deuteronomy 13:6-11 instructs the Hebrews to kill anybody who tries to entice them into serving new gods such as Jesus Christ.  

 

 

 

Check the history and the writers of the 66 books did agree on the central message. 

 

Nope.  Fail.  The Old Testament and the New Testament are completely at odds with each other.  They have different gods who are worshiped in different ways.  The Old Testament never says that there will ever be a new covenant.  The Old Testament says that God's first covenant will be the only one, an everlasting covenant.  And in God's only covenant you are suppose to be killed by Hebrews who get to take your property.

[xIan]

 

 

 

From what I have read, they agreed on a lot considering the centuries that separate their writings. 

 

 

 

Nope.  They didn't agree about any core religion.  The Bible represents several competing cults who all thought of each other as false.  Deuteronomy instructs Hebrews to kill anybody who tries anything like Christianity.  And Christianity steals from the Hebrew religion.

 

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy was written several centuries before Jesus was born.

 

Check the history and the writers of the 66 books did agree on the central message. 

 

Come on, cherry picker. Reply to me, as well, with proper answers. Ignoring defeat doesn't say you weren't defeated.

 

Also - what was this "central message"? "jesus", as you said earlier? Hmmm... As mymistake said (which this quoting system seems to have bodged up!), "jesus" "existed" much too long after that previous no-longer-relevant book was written, and there was not the mention of "a messiah" or "a new testament/law/whatever" yet to come, so what is this "central message"? It simply can't be "jesus", as you said previously -

 

The central message of the scriptures is Christ.

 

 

(by which, of course, you mean "the 'christ'", because "christ" was not its surname) which simply can't be true because the previous books never mentioned "jesus" was forthcoming, so there wasn't a central theme or message or anything in "scripture".

No matter how much they tell you that 1+1+1=1 (where it's actually that christianity is polytheistic - yet another thing not original nor unique; i.e stolen; twisted; perverted; and corrupted) 1+1+1 actually =3. Perhaps 0.3333+0.3333+0.3333=1 is more accurate, but that would mean that "god" didn't know what Pi was (which was realised only after man decided to fuck "god" off and started using his brain, and has been calculated to over 10 trillion (10 000 000 000 000) digits - something "god" never told anyone), and it also means that "the father", "the son" and "the drunken perverse spirit" (he says on purpose to commit "the unforgivable 'sin'") are all required together, jointly for this tri-part (poly) "god" to work, do, be. However, "god" said it is the one and only "god", yet xianity is polytheistic. "god" also said, "Let's make them in our image". The non-argument that "god" was saying that in the royal sense of the word "we" doesn't work, because "god" "existed" before culture and colloquialisms did - or at least the bible was written before arrogant monarchs started calling their individual selves "we".

Furthermore, "you shall have no other gods before me" doesn't make sense, either - if "I am the only 'god'", then how is it possible in any way that anyone can have other gods before "god"?!

 

 

The book of Deuteronomy was written several centuries before Jesus was born. 

 

 

 

Exactly.  Christianity was invented hundreds of years after Deuteronomy was written.  God the Son is a god that the Hebrews never knew and their ancestors never knew.  Deuteronomy 13:6-11 instructs the Hebrews to kill anybody who tries to entice them into serving new gods.  

 

 

 

Check the history and the writers of the 66 books did agree on the central message. 

 

Nope.  Fail.  The Old Testament and the New Testament are completely at odds with each other.  They have different gods who are worshiped in different ways.  The Old Testament never says that there will ever be a new covenant.  The Old Testament says that God's first covenant will be the only one, an everlasting covenant.  And in God's only covenant you are suppose to be killed by Hebrews who get to take your property.

 

ironhorse,

"The old testament doesn't count anymore!"

No? Then why did "the same yesterday, today, and forever" "god" create a new testament? By the way - "god" says it is "the same yesterday, today, and forever" in the new testament, so that meant the old testament still applies - unless "god":

• is either:
  • a liar;
  • an idiot;
  • a jester; or
• simply doesn't exist

so which one is it? You failed to tell me about context, "context", and context, as well. (I won't expect you to understand the differences (this time I genuinely don't mean offence by saying that.))

 

I was going to leave this for a bit longer but I will add it now - earlier I ignored your saying, "my relationship to Christ" rather than saying "my relationship with Christ". Relationships are supposed to be reciprocal (and what you do in the bedroom is your own business if you prefer to enjoy BDSM). Notice that I still made reference to your relationship to "christ" immediately below it in my reply when I said, "I expect christians love being slave or bitch to a sadist; they love being masochists" I should have also added that they enjoy being beaten-up and bullied, made to feel worthless, as well, either physically and/or not. I hope you didn't miss that I didn't actually ignore your "relationship to 'christ'", but I tend to be too subtle sometimes. I just didn't make it very obvious that I was replying to it. I hope it wasn't too subtle for you. At least you know now.

 

When I said, "god" should put things into layman's, idiot's, and complete idiot's terms, I didn't add,

 

In history, only those who could read a certain language (and most couldn't read any language at all) were 'allowed' to read the bible - so how can we and they be certain that what they were being forced to pay money to be forced to believe was actually true?! No-one could hold it to question, hold them accountable; the "leaders" would have gone off and corrupted and exploited the mindless; brain-dead; slave; drone; clone; zombie sheep who were illiterate and probably innumerate as they saw fit! You know that happened! I bring your attention back to Medieval times!

 

Perhaps I should have because I doubt you made the connection. I should also have gone on the other hand and said that "god" should have made it very technical (which encourages people to use their brains and think for themselves - oh! That's why the writers didn't because it's easier to control idiots than to control clever, thinky people!) and comprehensive which shows "god" "is" amazing and has uncovered all unfathomable fathoms of quantum mechanics, etc. The Encyclopaedia Britannica is a much better technical manual than your bible, and Harry Potter is a much better faerie tale story than your bible. At least encyclopaedia are corrected and updated (the church demanded Earth is the centre of the universe and demanded Earth is flat. If they didn't recant those retarded demands, they would have lost all power; influence; money; control; etc. Please tell me when the church will recant that being gay is a "sin", despite homosexual unions having existed since Pagan times (which pre-dates judaism by thousands and thousands of years), and were considered sacred - not to think about mentioning homosexuality exists in thousands and thousands of species of being - is "god" a lying retard, a complete idiotic moron, or simply non-existent?!) and at least Harry Potter has only 2 - small - mistakes in it.

 

In the infamous wise words of Homer Simpson - Doh! "god" said it is "the same yesterday, today, and forever" in the new testament, though! :S