Trust Yourself

[ironhorse]

 

 

 

 

Trust yourself
Trust yourself to do the things that only you know best
Trust yourself
Trust yourself to do what’s right and not be second-guessed
Don’t trust me to show you beauty
When beauty may only turn to rust
If you need somebody you can trust, trust yourself

Trust yourself
Trust yourself to know the way that will prove true in the end
Trust yourself
Trust yourself to find the path where there is no if and when
Don’t trust me to show you the truth
When the truth may only be ashes and dust
If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself

Well, you’re on your own, you always were
In a land of wolves and thieves
Don’t put your hope in ungodly man
Or be a slave to what somebody else believes

Trust yourself
And you won’t be disappointed when vain people let you down
Trust yourself
And look not for answers where no answers can be found
Don’t trust me to show you love
When my love may be only lust
If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself

 

~ Bob Dylan

[TrueFreedom]

Is that you performing?

[ironhorse]

Is that you performing?

 

No, I wish.

 

I found it and thought the guy did a good cover. 

[bornagainathiest]

Yourself?

 

Not Jesus?

 

[bornagainathiest]

We trusted you to honestly and truthfully answer our questions, Ironhorse.

 

[bornagainathiest]

Posted by Jeff, yesterday.

 

Posted Yesterday, 01:14 PM

There's nothing for him to say. he already played his hand. 

This is the quiet regroup and then IH will continue conversing like this thread never happened. 

It is the only way forward unless the lightbulb went off finally. I don't think it did. 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

"Trust in the LORD, with all your heart: and DO NOT lean on your own understanding.  In ALL your ways, acknowledge HIM; and he will make your path straight."  Proverbs 3:5-6

[Fweethawt]

6 Bible Verses about

Trusting Yourself

 

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Trusting-Yourself

[ironhorse]

This song is warning against looking and blindly accepting what others claim as truth.

Discernment and common sense must be in play.
We live in a fallen world. Be on guard and watch out.

“Well, you're on your own, you always were
In a land of wolves and thieves
Don't put your hope in ungodly man
Or be a slave to what somebody else believes.”

It about looking inward “to know the way that will prove true in the end.”

Ecclesiastes 3:11 refers to God's placing "eternity in man’s heart."

This is often called the “God-shaped hole” in our hearts.

[Fweethawt]

It's 'couldn't'! 'Couldn't' care less.

 

Just sayin'...

[duderonomy]

 Ironhorse, here's a good bit of advice. It's what we've been trying to tell you:

 

 

This song is warning against looking and blindly accepting what others claim as truth.

Discernment and common sense must be in play.

 

In your case, you don't even know who wrote the Bible, but you accept it as truth. A little discernment and common sense wouldn't hurt you any. 

[bornagainathiest]

This song is warning against looking and blindly accepting what others claim as truth.

Discernment and common sense must be in play.

We live in a fallen world. Be on guard and watch out.

“Well, you're on your own, you always were

In a land of wolves and thieves

Don't put your hope in ungodly man

Or be a slave to what somebody else believes.”

It about looking inward “to know the way that will prove true in the end.”

Ecclesiastes 3:11 refers to God's placing "eternity in man’s heart."

This is often called the “God-shaped hole” in our hearts.

 

If you've no intention of doing so Ironhorse, then please let us know that you won't be answering any of our questions concerning your beliefs and about Christianity and the Bible.

 

That way the Mods can pin a notice on any thread you start up, warning other members not to expect any replies from you on these topics.

 

Thank you,

 

BAA.

[midniterider]

This song is warning against looking and blindly accepting what others claim as truth.

Discernment and common sense must be in play.

 

This is very good ^.

 

We live in a fallen world. Be on guard and watch out.

 

Using discernment and common sense I don't accept the fallen world concept. It's a truth claim by someone else.

 

“Well, you're on your own, you always were

In a land of wolves and thieves

 

Dont let religious people sell you fear. 

Don't put your hope in ungodly man

 

I don't have personal heros whom I wish to emulate or worship, but I also feel there are good people who deserve trust. Should someone trust their pastor? Once again, dont live in fear.

Or be a slave to what somebody else believes.”

 

True words.

 

It about looking inward “to know the way that will prove true in the end.”

Ecclesiastes 3:11 refers to God's placing "eternity in man’s heart."

This is often called the “God-shaped hole” in our hearts.

 

God places a God shaped hole in our hearts?  Regarding this idea lets revisit not "being a slave to what somebody else believes, not blindly accepting what others claim as truth, and using discernment and common sense." I have looked inward and found no holes in my heart, just a blob of fear, guilt, and shame that Christians placed there. I removed it 15 years ago. And I feel good. Yay for discerment.

 

Thanks for the post.

[ironhorse]

 

This song is warning against looking and blindly accepting what others claim as truth.

Discernment and common sense must be in play.

We live in a fallen world. Be on guard and watch out.

“Well, you're on your own, you always were

In a land of wolves and thieves

Don't put your hope in ungodly man

Or be a slave to what somebody else believes.”

 

It about looking inward “to know the way that will prove true in the end.”

Ecclesiastes 3:11 refers to God's placing "eternity in man’s heart."

This is often called the “God-shaped hole” in our hearts.

A man of faith talking about trusting yourself.

 

Have you read the Bible, or do you just pick and choose what sounds appealing?

 

Honest question, I could care less if you do.

 

 

 

A man of faith talking about trusting yourself.

 

I think we do make choices about many things in life. We trust ourselves in making 

these decisions. Trust is a belief that someone or something is reliable, good, honest, effective, etc.

The lyrics do not suggest to trust yourself instead of God but is about discernment and to be careful on who or what you put your trust in.

 

Have you read the Bible, or do you just pick and choose what sounds appealing?

 

Honest question, I could care less if you do.

 

I read the Bible. I continually read the scriptures. Why would I pick or choose what sounds appealing? There are verses and sections I cannot understand. I don't overlook them. I do know enough to know the main message. I also don't think scriptures should to be taken out of context.

 

2 Chronicles 7:14 is a prime example of misuse of scripture. 

If my people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

~ (NKJV)

 

Well-intentioned Christians (especially in the U.S.) love to cite this verse as a promise from God that if believers in this nation would humble themselves and pray then God will fix our nation. If you read the entire chapter, it is clear that this was a specific promise made by God to the Jewish people at the time of the first temple. 

[Jeff]

 

It's 'couldn't'! 'Couldn't' care less.

Just sayin'...

When you say "just saying," you really shouldn't have likely talked at all.

 

I know the difference and was quickly typing from the phone. We definitely don't need grammar nazis patrolling around here.

To be fair, that was more of a grammar kamikaze

[TheRedneckProfessor]

There are two main types of holes that may affect the heart: atrial septal defect and ventricular septal defect.  Atrial septal defect can lead to a number of complications including arrhythmia, stroke, and hypertension.  Ventricular septal defect can result in heart failure, arrhythmia, or pulmonary hypertension.  Smaller holes in the heart of both types may close on their own during infancy or childhood.  However, larger holes would most likely require surgery.

 

THESE are the kinds of "holes" your god is powerless to heal, Ironhorse... and none of them are shaped like him.

 

(for more information: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/holes/types )

[miamia]

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

[ironhorse]

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

 

 

A dystopia?

Imagining a place where people are unhappy and usually afraid and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope. That to me is a horrific darkness.

I realize that some here will never accept I ever did a truly skeptical appraisal of the Christian faith because my conclusion that it is true. That is what they think. I’m not going to go on a rant against them because of what they have accepted as truth for them.

 

It is ironic to me that I keep been accused of using my childhood experiences, my parents, and other things in my life as I thought about the validity of the Christian faith yet ex-Christians will often use these same experiences as reasons to reject the Christian faith.

I agree my experiences were positive and others have had a very negative experience with abusive churches and heretical ideas and teachings.  I have read many testimonies on another forum here. I’m not them criticizing for that. They had no more control over who their parents were than I did. I really do sympathize on what they had to go through. I totally understand why some view Christianity as being so evil and horrific. I see why they left it.

I post in the Lion’s Den to share what I do know about the Christian faith and to read what others think. I try to answer questions the best I can. I read what others post. I don’t get upset if people do not accept anything I say.

 

I actually enjoy being a member here. Please don't put me in exile on the Rapture Ready boards.

[bornagainathiest]

 

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

 

 

A dystopia?

Imagining a place where people are unhappy and usually afraid and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope. That to me is a horrific darkness.

I realize that some here will never accept I ever did a truly skeptical appraisal of the Christian faith because my conclusion that it is true.

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If you did do this skeptical appraisal Ironhorse, why would ask for it to be dismissed by us?

 

Posted 10 April 2016 - 10:26 PM

Ironhorse wrote...

Yes, please take note. Any questioning or skeptical analysis of Christianity by me should be dismissed.

 

I can't prove Jesus came back from the dead. I just believe he did. 

 

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That is what they think. I’m not going to go on a rant against them because of what they have accepted as truth for them.

 

It is ironic to me that I keep been accused of using my childhood experiences, my parents, and other things in my life as I thought about the validity of the Christian faith yet ex-Christians will often use these same experiences as reasons to reject the Christian faith.

I agree my experiences were positive and others have had a very negative experience with abusive churches and heretical ideas and teachings.  I have read many testimonies on another forum here. I’m not them criticizing for that. They had no more control over who their parents were than I did. I really do sympathize on what they had to go through. I totally understand why some view Christianity as being so evil and horrific. I see why they left it.

I post in the Lion’s Den to share what I do know about the Christian faith and to read what others think. I try to answer questions the best I can. I read what others post. I don’t get upset if people do not accept anything I say.

 

I actually enjoy being a member here. Please don't put me in exile on the Rapture Ready boards.

 

 

So did you do it or didn't you?

 

If you did, where is it?

 

If you didn't, why did you claim you did?

[Jeff]

Sorry it upsets you that we know you were reared Christian based on your description. You'll just have to learn to accept it.

Funny you call it an 'accusation'.

[dangitbobby83]

 

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

 

 

A dystopia?

Imagining a place where people are unhappy and usually afraid and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope. That to me is a horrific darkness.

 

 

Why? Your God certainly doesn't provide hope to those who truly need it the most:

 

[miamia]

^someone gets it^

[ironhorse]

 

 

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

 

 

A dystopia?

Imagining a place where people are unhappy and usually afraid and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope. That to me is a horrific darkness.

 

 

Why? Your God certainly doesn't provide hope to those who truly need it the most:

 

 

 

 

I see it differently. I think God has provided plenty of resources for us. We are the problem, not God.

 

"The principal underlying cause of poverty and thus hunger in Africa and elsewhere is the ordinary operation of the world's economic and political systems. Essentially control over resources and income is based on military, political and economic power that typically ends up in the hands of a minority, who live well, while those at the bottom barely survive."

 

http://www.worldhunger.org/

[florduh]

...and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope.

 

You seem to be projecting your own need for a god belief on the rest of humanity. Clearly, there are plenty of happy, productive, well adjusted people who don't share the god delusion.

 

And just as clearly, IH and almost everyone else here who hails from the West became a Christian in the first place because of societal and familial influence. Otherwise we would have become Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims or some other locally ubiquitous belief system.

[Jeff]

 

 

 

Why don't you trust yourself then, iron horse? Why don't you throw out everything you have read, everything you have been told, if you trust in God so much, why don't you clear your mind and walk that tightrope alone, as if your father's books were never written, as if you had never heard of bob dylan.starting from square one, with childlike innocence. Looking at your experiences alone, not what people have told you. How would you look at everything that has happened in your life, if no one had ever told you that a god exists. That's all. If you won't complete a truly skeptical appraisal, just do it for pretend. Pretend that you never heard of god, look at everything in your life through a meticulous lens, and then write a piece of "fiction" about a theoretical dystopia based on your own experiences in which god does not exist, and your thoughts on what it would be like. if only to pick it apart as a matter of faith.

 

A dystopia?

Imagining a place where people are unhappy and usually afraid and where God does not exist would be a sad world. In such world it would be impossible to find any hope. That to me is a horrific darkness.

Why? Your God certainly doesn't provide hope to those who truly need it the most:

 

 

I see it differently. I think God has provided plenty of resources for us. We are the problem, not God.

 

"The principal underlying cause of poverty and thus hunger in Africa and elsewhere is the ordinary operation of the world's economic and political systems. Essentially control over resources and income is based on military, political and economic power that typically ends up in the hands of a minority, who live well, while those at the bottom barely survive."

 

http://www.worldhunger.org/

Too bad he can't help despite all the prayers from in and out of country. He's useless then (if he existed of course).