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Does anybody know Greek to know if this guy is right?

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What difference does it make and who cares?

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What difference does it make and who cares?

 

I was going to say that then I decided to be nice...lol

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What difference does it make and who cares?

She's worried about this stuff.

 

He's wrong.

 

The Greek word is not heros or heri. It's cheiros. In every other instance in the NT, it means hand. It does not mean "arm from the fingers all the way up." Most of the time it is used when Jesus took somebody by the hand to either heal them or help them get up.

 

Here's every instance in the NT.

 

 

Matthew 8:15 N-GFS

GRK: ἥψατο τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῆς καὶ

NAS: He touched her hand, and the fever

KJV: he touched her hand, and the fever

INT: he touched the hand of her and

Matthew 9:25 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκράτησεν τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῆς καὶ

NAS: and took her by the hand, and the girl

KJV: and took her by the hand, and the maid

INT: he took hold of the hand of her and

Mark 1:31 N-GFS

GRK: κρατήσας τῆς χειρός καὶ ἀφῆκεν

NAS: her up, taking her by the hand, and the fever

KJV: her by the hand, and lifted

INT: having taken of the hand And left

Mark 5:41 N-GFS

GRK: κρατήσας τῆς χειρὸς τοῦ παιδίου

NAS: the child by the hand, He said

KJV: the damsel by the hand, and said

INT: having taken the hand of the child

Mark 8:23 N-GFS

GRK: ἐπιλαβόμενος τῆς χειρὸς τοῦ τυφλοῦ

NAS: the blind man by the hand, He brought

KJV: the blind man by the hand, and led

INT: having taken hold of the hand of the blind [man]

Mark 9:27 N-GFS

GRK: κρατήσας τῆς χειρὸς αὐτοῦ ἤγειρεν

NAS: took him by the hand and raised

KJV: took him by the hand, and lifted him

INT: having taken by the hand him raised up

Luke 1:71 N-GFS

GRK: καὶ ἐκ χειρὸς πάντων τῶν

NAS: FROM OUR ENEMIES, And FROM THE HAND OF ALL

KJV: and from the hand of all that hate

INT: and from [the] hand of all those who

Luke 1:74 N-GFS

GRK: ἀφόβως ἐκ χειρὸς ἐχθρῶν ῥυσθέντας

NAS: us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,

KJV: out of the hand of our

INT: [that] without fear out of [the] hand of our enemies having been saved

Luke 8:54 N-GFS

GRK: κρατήσας τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῆς ἐφώνησεν

NAS: took her by the hand and called,

KJV: her by the hand, and called,

INT: having taken hold of the hand of her cried

John 10:28 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκ τῆς χειρός μου 

NAS: one will snatch them out of My hand.

KJV: out of my hand.

INT: out of the hand of me

John 10:29 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκ τῆς χειρὸς τοῦ πατρός

NAS: [them] out of the Father's hand.

KJV: my Father's hand.

INT: out of the hand the Father

John 10:39 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκ τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν 

NAS: Him, and He eluded their grasp.

KJV: out of their hand,

INT: out of the hand of them

Acts 2:23 N-GFS

GRK: ἔκδοτον διὰ χειρὸς ἀνόμων προσπήξαντες

NAS: you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men

KJV: wicked hands have crucified

INT: given up by hands lawless having crucified

Acts 3:7 N-GFS

GRK: τῆς δεξιᾶς χειρὸς ἤγειρεν αὐτόν

NAS: him by the right hand, he raised

KJV: by the right hand, and lifted [him] up:

INT: by the right hand he raised up him

Acts 7:25 N-GFS

GRK: θεὸς διὰ χειρὸς αὐτοῦ δίδωσιν

KJV: by his hand would deliver them:

INT: God by [the] hand of him is giving

Acts 11:30 N-GFS

GRK: πρεσβυτέρους διὰ χειρὸς Βαρνάβα καὶ

KJV: by the hands of Barnabas

INT: elders by [the] hand of Barnabas and

Acts 12:11 N-GFS

GRK: με ἐκ χειρὸς Ἡρῴδου καὶ

NAS: and rescued me from the hand of Herod

KJV: me out of the hand of Herod, and

INT: me out of [the] hand of Herod and

Acts 15:23 N-GFS

GRK: γράψαντες διὰ χειρὸς αὐτῶν Οἱ

KJV: [letters] by them after this manner;

INT: having written by [the] hand of them The

Acts 23:19 N-GFS

GRK: δὲ τῆς χειρὸς αὐτοῦ ὁ

NAS: took him by the hand and stepping aside,

KJV: him by the hand, and

INT: moreover the hand of him the

Acts 28:3 N-GFS

GRK: καθῆψεν τῆς χειρὸς αὐτοῦ 

NAS: and fastened itself on his hand.

KJV: and fastened on his hand.

INT: wound about on the hand of him

Acts 28:4 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκ τῆς χειρὸς αὐτοῦ πρὸς

NAS: hanging from his hand, they [began] saying

KJV: on his hand, they said among

INT: from the hand of him to

Hebrews 8:9 N-GFS

GRK: μου τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν ἐξαγαγεῖν

NAS: WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD

INT: of me the hand of them to lead

Revelation 8:4 N-GFS

GRK: ἁγίων ἐκ χειρὸς τοῦ ἀγγέλου

NAS: God out of the angel's hand.

KJV: out of the angel's hand.

INT: saints out of [the] hand of the angel

Revelation 10:10 N-GFS

GRK: ἐκ τῆς χειρὸς τοῦ ἀγγέλου

NAS: out of the angel's hand and ate

KJV: out of the angel's hand, and ate

INT: out of the hand of the angel

Revelation 13:16 N-GFS

GRK: ἐπὶ τῆς χειρὸς αὐτῶν τῆς

NAS: on their right hand or

INT: on the hand of them

Revelation 19:2 N-GFS

GRK: αὐτοῦ ἐκ χειρὸς αὐτῆς 

KJV: at her hand.

INT: of him out of [the] hand of her

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I remember guys like this always coming up with "The Correct Translation" for things like "Jesus didn't say he'd cut off any branch that didn't bear fruit. He said he'd nurture and care for it!" "The name of Jesus is wrong, it's really JEHOSHUARRRXXMBQ" etc.

 

This guy in particular ignores the fact that no world leader has forced everyone small or great to receive a tattoo or chip or anything, but still equates a tattoo to THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

 

He's a loon.

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Thanks Hockeyfan70, that's quite an impressive post, extensive and well researched.

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Well, I actually still have my NIV Interlinear Greek-English New Testament on my bookshelf in my home office, so it wasn't too much trouble. smile.png I used to eat up Greek, because there are some really interesting words that have way better meaning in Greek than English.

 

I also have a bunny that lives in my office and roams around, and she actually ate the binding off my Interlinear, so she must be an evil bunny. :D

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Bad bunny.

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Thanks for your kindness Hockeyfan!

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I'm considering a hare or possibly rabbit!

Don't tell my wife

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I'm considering a hare or possibly rabbit!

Don't tell my wife

We got ours because we were only intending to raise her for a short time and then give her to the farmer who let us have her for awhile. But then coyotes kept eating all the rabbits on the farm, and we were like "nut uh, we're not letting that happen." So now she's one of our pets and she's awesome.

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I used to think cats were cold and unaffectionate, until I met my friend's rabbit. Maybe this was not a typical bunny, but it made the cat seem extroverted and gregarious.

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Thanks Hockeyfan70, that's quite an impressive post, extensive and well researched.

That WAS impressive wasn't it! Always handy to have a deconverted minister around...

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I used to think cats were cold and unaffectionate, until I met my friend's rabbit. Maybe this was not a typical bunny, but it made the cat seem extroverted and gregarious.

My bunny actually gets upset if you don't pet her all the time. She's kind of like a dog.

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I occasionally see Christians that throw a tantrum because an employee access card or employee number has 666 in it. It still isn't being forced upon them by a world ruler as a sign of loyalty, it isn't on their forehead or hand, but somehow it's still evil. It's really just a number between 665 and 667, but that would require a tiny bit of reason.

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What difference does it make and who cares?

 

Kushne cares. She is deconverting and scared of this stuff. If I had of received this response within my first 26 posts, I would have left Ex-c. Please be kind in your responses. She is a new member. Thanks.

 

Welcome to Ex-c Kushne!! So glad you joined us!

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What difference does it make and who cares?

 

 

Kushne cares. She is deconverting and scared of this stuff. If I had of received this response in my first 26 posts, I would have left Ex-c. Please be kind in your responses. She is a new member. Thanks.

 

Welcome to Ex-c Kushne!! So glad you joined us!

You're right and I realize that came across as condescending which was not my point. However, her profile gave me the impression she was an atheist as it claimed she had "no god(s)". I'll admit straight away that I can still worry about similar stuff during my paranoid periods. I was not trying to be a smart ass, so sorry if I offended anyone, OP included.

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What never ceases to amaze me is that Christians always change their tune about what the "mark of the beast" actually is,  as technology evolves.  Over the years i've heard everything from brands to tattoos to SS cards, to barcodes (yes because we all would look so attractive with a big ass barcode stamped across our forehead or in our hand), to RFID chip, to biometric scanning into a central database, who knows what they think now... iphone app called "666"  Maybe a QR code stamped prominently on the forehead?

 

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What never ceases to amaze me is that Christians always change their tune about what the "mark of the beast" actually is,  as technology evolves.  Over the years i've heard everything from brands to tattoos to SS cards, to barcodes (yes because we all would look so attractive with a big ass barcode stamped across our forehead or in our hand), to RFID chip, to biometric scanning into a central database, who knows what they think now... iphone app called "666"  Maybe a QR code stamped prominently on the forehead?

 

WWJD? jesus.gif

 

Much like their constant remaking of what revelation is supposed to mean. Every generation of christian has generally thought the world was coming to an end in their lifetime. You can find plenty of writings from just about every generation of christian that says "in my lifetime"...and 2000 years later, here we still are!

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I think this guy might be a nutter 

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The Book of Revelation was History pretending to be prophesy. The number of Nero's name is 666. But who cares?

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