humble Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 For all unbelievers the christian Holy Bible is like a simplified map that is missing topography, a legend, any compass points, and all of the detail. All you see on the map are dots and lines representing cities and roads. This would represent books, chapters, and verses in the bible. You can read it over and over, even memorize it, but it never offers you any greater clarity, understanding, or meaning. It is, quite honestly, foolish and useless to an unbeliever, and a complete waste of their time. For all true believers, the christian Holy Bible starts out similar to the unbeliever's map, with little detail. But as the believer turns his/her heart towards God, our maps start to fill in with the necessary components to read the map correctly. The Holy Bible isn't simply text on a page any longer, but the messages and lessons begin to be revealed to us. The more a believer reads through the various books of the Bible, particularly the 4 gospels and the books of the new testament, the greater our understanding grows. Over time, our knowledge and understanding of the Holy Bible become like highly detailed 3-D maps of our place in God's universe. It really is a waste of time for an unbeliever to quote scripture to a true believer, because the unbeliever, in their ignorance and hardened heart, will always quote out of context, or misuse the scripture passage in some way, to simply manipulate the believer. Having any good discussion about Bible passages when unbelievers cannot argue correctly the content of the Bible is a lesson in futility. It simply cannot be done. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator buffettphan Posted May 18, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2016 Educate and enlighten yourself, if possible, by trying to comprehend this thread: http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/72608-nonbelievers-cannot-understand-the-bible But remember, that as a True Believer, you are not allowed to post in that section of the forums, so keep your comments confined here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Educate and enlighten yourself, if possible, by trying to comprehend this thread: http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/72608-nonbelievers-cannot-understand-the-bible But remember, that as a True Believer, you are not allowed to post in that section of the forums, so keep your comments confined here. I second that. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. Ah, the usual Christian apology. EVERYONE but "true" Christians have "intentionally chosen to turn away from God", right? What about people who never even heard of Christ or the Bible? Are they, too, actively rebelling against God? You're aware that a lot of people never even considered Christianity to begin with, right? How can they reject and "turn away" from something they never even believed in? If you think that I'm a "reprobate", fine, I can accept that, but if you truly believe everyone who's got a different view on life, death, the Universe, spirituality and whatnot are simply being "in rebellion", I pity you. The map analogy is kinda nice though. I've felt the same way regarding the Bhagavad Gita and the Eddas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOutsider Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hey humble, been a while, still completely contradicting your username, I see? I'd say nice try with the whole attempting to put us unbelievers in our place thing, but then I'd be lying. Plan on sticking around? Or are you just gonna hit and run again? "There she lusted after her lovers, whose cocks were like those of donkeys and whose loads of cum were like that of horses, hot and sticky, all over her." Ezekiel 23:20, minor alterations, me. -Thanks rjn. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TABA Posted May 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2016 God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. This seems, I dunno, incompatible with the parable of the Prodigal Son, which would have to be re-written something like this: Son turns his back on his inheritance, takes off and does his own thing. Eventually decides to return home, only to find that Dad has moved to a different part of the country, leaving only misleading and contradictory clues to his whereabouts. Son wanders, confused and lost, and gets what he deserves, the bastard. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hardy har har! Thanks for making me laugh, Outsider and ThereAndBackAgain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 For all unbelievers the christian Holy Bible is like a simplified map that is missing topography, a legend, any compass points, and all of the detail. All you see on the map are dots and lines representing cities and roads. This would represent books, chapters, and verses in the bible. You can read it over and over, even memorize it, but it never offers you any greater clarity, understanding, or meaning. It is, quite honestly, foolish and useless to an unbeliever, and a complete waste of their time. For all true believers, the christian Holy Bible starts out similar to the unbeliever's map, with little detail. But as the believer turns his/her heart towards God, our maps start to fill in with the necessary components to read the map correctly. The Holy Bible isn't simply text on a page any longer, but the messages and lessons begin to be revealed to us. The more a believer reads through the various books of the Bible, particularly the 4 gospels and the books of the new testament, the greater our understanding grows. Over time, our knowledge and understanding of the Holy Bible become like highly detailed 3-D maps of our place in God's universe. It really is a waste of time for an unbeliever to quote scripture to a true believer, because the unbeliever, in their ignorance and hardened heart, will always quote out of context, or misuse the scripture passage in some way, to simply manipulate the believer. Having any good discussion about Bible passages when unbelievers cannot argue correctly the content of the Bible is a lesson in futility. It simply cannot be done. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. I was a true believer for more than 30 years. I read the map over and over and over and never once did I question it, but I sought to only go deeper and understand it more and more. It was my quest for authentic relationship and to have a "heart like God" that drove me to do this. But, ironically, it was this desire that ended up becoming the reason I left Christianity. So, your map analogy works, but in a different way than you are indicating. It became a map for me to find my way out of the black hole that is Christianity. And for that, I am grateful. I now see the Bible and Christianity for what they truly are: mans attempt to understand the world around him. Christianity falls incredibly short in many ways and those who follow it fail to ever realize this. Leaving Christianity is one of the hardest things I have ever done, but it has been so worth it. It bothers me that people like you minimize my experience and belittle what I have gone through and you fail to realize any of the journey that I went through to be who I am and to think and believe what I do. So, spout your stuff in ignorance and continue to fail to understand the people that you are trying to reach. You are doing nothing more than trying to sell bottled water to eskimos. Good luck with that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Thank you oh wise and dare I say... humble one for enlightening us. How fortunate for you to be able to clearly see what almighty god is trying so sneakily to say to the special ones out there. Surely we could chose a few of the more troubling scriptures to discuss with you and you can explain what they actually mean to us? Who wants to go first? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted May 18, 2016 Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2016 So the all power god who constructed the whole universe gives all his loved ones a confusing map to try and figure things out? Give your head a shake dear one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadeshet Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 The Bible is like a map to Oz. Just follow the Yellow Brick Road and the Wizard will grant all your requests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Wants all to come to repentance: Deliberately confuses his children, even overriding their free will by "hardening" their hearts. Yeah, seems legit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted May 18, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted May 18, 2016 How dare a believer assert that only non-believers don't understand the Bible while 40,000 sects of True Believers can't agree on what the document really says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 For all true believers, the christian Holy Bible starts out similar to the unbeliever's map, with little detail. But as the believer turns his/her heart towards God, our maps start to fill in with the necessary components to read the map correctly. The Holy Bible isn't simply text on a page any longer, but the messages and lessons begin to be revealed to us. Translation: the book is a mess. Turn off your intellect. Have feelings about the book. Then you'll put together a story about your life. And you'll have strong feelings about your story. (Until maybe it doesn't work so well anymore ... ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Troll-y troll feeds well today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 For all unbelievers the christian Holy Bible is like a simplified map Really, then why does it need 66 books and countless apologists and theologians to interpret it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 1. It is, quite honestly, foolish and useless to an unbeliever, and a complete waste of their time. 2. because the unbeliever, in their ignorance 1. You're exactly right. There is no evidence to support its claims, and the evidence that does exist proves it to a book of lies. 2. Oh the irony... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 For all unbelievers the christian Holy Bible is like a simplified map that is missing topography, a legend, any compass points, and all of the detail. All you see on the map are dots and lines representing cities and roads. This would represent books, chapters, and verses in the bible. You can read it over and over, even memorize it, but it never offers you any greater clarity, understanding, or meaning. It is, quite honestly, foolish and useless to an unbeliever, and a complete waste of their time. For all true believers, the christian Holy Bible starts out similar to the unbeliever's map, with little detail. But as the believer turns his/her heart towards God, our maps start to fill in with the necessary components to read the map correctly. The Holy Bible isn't simply text on a page any longer, but the messages and lessons begin to be revealed to us. The more a believer reads through the various books of the Bible, particularly the 4 gospels and the books of the new testament, the greater our understanding grows. Over time, our knowledge and understanding of the Holy Bible become like highly detailed 3-D maps of our place in God's universe. It really is a waste of time for an unbeliever to quote scripture to a true believer, because the unbeliever, in their ignorance and hardened heart, will always quote out of context, or misuse the scripture passage in some way, to simply manipulate the believer. Having any good discussion about Bible passages when unbelievers cannot argue correctly the content of the Bible is a lesson in futility. It simply cannot be done. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. This is typical from a pew parrot who has been brainwashed by the pastor (paid liar). I have heard these false accusations from christians so many times it doesn't even register a chuckle anymore. Thanks for stopping by though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 This has got to be one of the most self-righteous and smuggest posts I've laid my eyes on in this forum. It never ceases to amaze me how clueless some Christians are of the world outside of their little bubble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 This has got to be one of the most self-righteous and smuggest posts I've laid my eyes on in this forum. It never ceases to amaze me how clueless some Christians are of the world outside of their little bubble. Agreed. The bible says that pride comes before the fall, yet christians are filled with more arrogant pride than anyone I have every dealt with. They know if they actually look at the evidence for and against their beliefs, their faith will fail them. They're absolutely terrified of their bubble bursting so they willfully, of their own choosing refuse to educate themselves. It's almost as if deep down they know the whole thing is imaginary, they just refuse to accept it for fear of being ridiculed for having believed all that nonsense in the first place. I know I felt embarrassed for myself at first when I deconverted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 19, 2016 Super Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2016 It really is a waste of time for an unbeliever to quote scripture to a true believer, because the unbeliever, in their ignorance and hardened heart, will always quote out of context, or misuse the scripture passage in some way, to simply manipulate the believer. Having any good discussion about Bible passages when unbelievers cannot argue correctly the content of the Bible is a lesson in futility. It simply cannot be done. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. It would probably do you some good to know your audience, before presuming to speak for them. Myself, I studied the bible for over thirty years. I was educated from elementary school through college in christian schools and universities. I hold a minor in biblical studies. I have studied the bible in Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew. I have written more scriptural exegeses than I can remember; and could, at one point, quote entire passages from Strong's Concordance. There are many others on this website who know the bible even better than I do. Anytime you want a lesson in how to argue the content of the bible, within its proper context, I'd be more than happy to show you how it's done, son. So would a good many of us here. Be ye forwarned, though: WE are a force to be reckoned with. So, do you have the balls to back up your presumption with action? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Red, He's a drive by baby troll, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangitbobby83 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Funny how god fails at filling in the details of the map, giving two bible-believing christians radically different interpretations of the source, so much so that some christians don't consider other christians even christian because they don't agree on 5% of the totality of christian belief. That prankster holy-spirit at work! Failing to fill in the same details to the entirety of the christian church. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetbutterfly Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It really is a waste of time for an unbeliever to quote scripture to a true believer, because the unbeliever, in their ignorance and hardened heart, will always quote out of context, or misuse the scripture passage in some way, to simply manipulate the believer. Having any good discussion about Bible passages when unbelievers cannot argue correctly the content of the Bible is a lesson in futility. It simply cannot be done. God does not allow any person who has intentionally chosen to turn away from Him to understand the mysteries or universal knowledge of His Word. Oh, like this misinterpreted quote taken out of context? 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. Damn, my ignorance and hardened heart sounds like men are being allowed (commanded?) to treat women like pieces of property to use for sexual purposes? Maybe I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND! I guess it's okay because he's not allowed to sell her if her sexual performance is not up to par for wife standards. It didn't make any sense when I was a believer either...nice try. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 *zzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz* "Da wholly babble makes no sense to the unbeliever but only to the believer" That can be used with every book in existence. "Hogwarts doesn't exist unless you really believe in Harry Potter" "Hobbits don't exist unless you believe in Lord of the Rings" "Jews aren't the enemy of the Aryan Master Race unless you believe in Mein Kampf" Et cetera, et cetera, et FNORD cetera, ad nauseam. Another morontheist mindlessly babbling bullshit that falls apart even before you take a closer look. Nothing to see here. Everyone move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violetbutterfly Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Eh, I'm indulging for the lurkers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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