SkepticalDaniel Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Lol, I hear this all the time from creationists, bragging about how now evolutionist has ever defeated Hovind in a debate. Frankly, I don't hate Kent Hovind, despite his bizarre beliefs, he really does seem like a nice guy. However, what does bother me about him is his support of the immorality of the Bible, as well as his dishonest tactics, and dubious credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Can't say I'm an expert on Hovind, but what I have seen gives me the impression that he's a batshit insane, smug and arrogant asshole. I've seen you praise him and refer to him as "nice" before, so I wonder, how come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 From a damn good website on his then-challenge to atheists about proving evolution... they nailed both the challenge and hoover's personality with one sentence: "That scraping you hear is the sound of goalposts being moved" He's funny, I'll grant him that. Years ago to know what I'm talking about I downloaded and listened through his audio "seminars". He'd make a decent comedian... if he wouldn't use his gags to get people into a jolly mood so that they're more willing to swallow his bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ Fuego ♦ Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I had all of his videos back in the day. He's a great storyteller, much like the evangelist/missionary I promoted for 9 years. They both believe their stories and ignore anything to the contrary. When he only presents certain information, he was able to convince me that the Earth must be 6000 years old, that dinosaurs and men walked together, and that even more recently an aquatic dinosaur had attacked some boys on a raft. He points to dinosaurs as the "dragons" that are found in Mayan, Chinese, Norse, British and other cultures (which IS an interesting thing, particularly the images of people riding some on pottery). He showed an artifact that looks like a hand-bell with a goddess figurine that he says was found in a coal mine in America. The problem is that when you only have his information and interpretation, it seems credible and believable. No counter points from archaeologists are given. A find like that in America would be huge news. Is there a footprint of a dinosaur with a human print next to it? Yes, however the human print has been shown to be a hoax carved there during the Great Depression. The other stories haven't been corroborated, so they are stories. The evangelist I used to promote would show a picture of a Mexican girl, and go into a long story about her being raised from the dead. See, here's a picture of her. But all it showed was a pic of a living girl, not a dead-raising. It could be a pic of anyone and isn't evidence of anything. Charismatic individuals can be very entertaining and riveting to watch and listen. But that doesn't mean they are telling the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLyniezian Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Questions: 1. That Kent Hoving has never defeated an evolutionist in a debate... is that perhaps not because people feel it so beneath them to do so, he has never been in a debate with one? 2. Is it not possible the dodgy used-car salesman who wants to smooth-talk you into buying a "lemon" not equally as likely to be "nice"? I mean this is the guy who until lately was in prison for not rendering unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. Want to trust him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Lyniezian: Upvoted your post for the Caesar reference. Edit: I just went on his website and one of the first things I saw was "Kent Hovind: Atheist's Worst Nightmare" in big letters. Doesn't sound very humble for a Jesus fanatic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Lilith666, I know right? I have no idea why people find him to be sympathetic or nice, 'cause he seems like a regular dick to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I suppose if you already are convinced that them scientists with all their talk that you don't understand because you never had a decent education, hoover will give you very much what you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Why is he nicknamed hoover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 That's just my personal nickname for the moron, I refuse to call such an asshole by its real name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadeshet Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's just my personal nickname for the moron, I refuse to call such an asshole by its real name Really, he's not much worse than William Lane Craig or Josh McDowell. I really can't tell if they're in it for the money, or they really believe that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Lol, I hear this all the time from creationists, ... I suggest you rearrange your activities so that you are not hearing things from creationists "all the time". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's just my personal nickname for the moron, I refuse to call such an asshole by its real name Really, he's not much worse than William Lane Craig or Josh McDowell. I really can't tell if they're in it for the money, or they really believe that crap. Well hoover is the only one I checked out in more detail because he was such a big name when I first learned about the batshit insanity of the jebus taliban... gotta pick someone to be the enemy incarnate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadeshet Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's just my personal nickname for the moron, I refuse to call such an asshole by its real name Really, he's not much worse than William Lane Craig or Josh McDowell. I really can't tell if they're in it for the money, or they really believe that crap. Well hoover is the only one I checked out in more detail because he was such a big name when I first learned about the batshit insanity of the jebus taliban... gotta pick someone to be the enemy incarnate We must continue to combat lies and misinformation with facts. It is our duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsathoggua Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Lol, I hear this all the time from creationists, ... I suggest you rearrange your activities so that you are not hearing things from creationists "all the time". I second this suggestion. Worked wonders for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadeshet Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Lol, I hear this all the time from creationists, ... I suggest you rearrange your activities so that you are not hearing things from creationists "all the time". I second this suggestion. Worked wonders for me! Don't forget, don't read too many Bible Scholars either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhim Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Lol, I hear this all the time from creationists, bragging about how now evolutionist has ever defeated Hovind in a debate. Frankly, I don't hate Kent Hovind, despite his bizarre beliefs, he really does seem like a nice guy. However, what does bother me about him is his support of the immorality of the Bible, as well as his dishonest tactics, and dubious credentials. Dubious credentials indeed. Perhaps those of us who are familiar with the labor involved in pursuing a doctoral degree should be offended that he calls himself "Doctor" Kent Hovind. However I have to say that his background is equivocal to the point of comedy. Several years ago I saw this review of his doctoral dissertation: http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm I don't know who the reviewer, Dr. Karen Bartelt, is. But if what she says is true, then Mr. Hovind should be the subject of stand up, not scorn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Here's a link to Hovind's "doctoral dissertation". Funny stuff. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Young-earth_creationist_Kent_Hovind's_doctoral_dissertation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhim Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Thank you for providing a link to the manuscript, this is quite entertaining. Indeed he does begin the text with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind." But the more interesting thing I note is that there are no proper citations. On occasion he says something like "Henry Morris in his book Long War Against God , pg. 65 says...". But most dissertations, including my own, are littered with references, all properly cited. However I don't see any bibliography here! The whole reason writing a dissertation is hard is because you've got to go and gather all the references (well, there are many reasons, but I found this task to be particularly laborious). This seems more like a grade school paper written by a Christian home school student. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 hoover actually presents photos of textbook pages and such in its "seminars" that clearly state a very different thing from what it claims they say, and such. If it wasn't able to establish a link to its audience (via humor and such, and of course the shared belief in the jebus cult), people would laugh their way out of these seminars in no time. After kicking hoover's face in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
★ Citsonga ★ Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 This seems more like a grade school paper written by a Christian home school student. Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjn Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Thank you for providing a link to the manuscript, this is quite entertaining. Indeed he does begin the text with "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind." But the more interesting thing I note is that there are no proper citations. On occasion he says something like "Henry Morris in his book Long War Against God , pg. 65 says...". But most dissertations, including my own, are littered with references, all properly cited. However I don't see any bibliography here! The whole reason writing a dissertation is hard is because you've got to go and gather all the references (well, there are many reasons, but I found this task to be particularly laborious). This seems more like a grade school paper written by a Christian home school student. Let's just say that academic credibility is not his forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I can't help but read Kent Hovind's... erm... "dissertation" in the voice of Forrest Gump. "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. People call me 'Kent Hovind.' Evolution is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. I am not a smart man." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkepticalDaniel Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 I can't help but read Kent Hovind's... erm... "dissertation" in the voice of Forrest Gump. "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. People call me 'Kent Hovind.' Evolution is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. I am not a smart man." I just looked at his dissertation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I can't help but read Kent Hovind's... erm... "dissertation" in the voice of Forrest Gump. "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. People call me 'Kent Hovind.' Evolution is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. I am not a smart man." I just looked at his dissertation There are so many folks around worthy of respect, interest and attention. Hovind is not one of them. He's a little shit. And a convicted felon tax cheat. I chose to spend time with or concerning people who have integrity, empathy and knowledge. I chose to avoid assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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